Roe v Wade has essentially been overturned.

[UCFBS]

Abortion is a gut wrenching decision for most people to go thru, because like it or not most people know it isn't a bundle of tissue, but a baby involved.

This is why I trust individual people more than the whims of the people using the government's guns. Individual people know what they are doing, and don't decide things on a whim.

Yes, there will be handful of women who are going to regularly have abortions won't be swayed, they will have them any way, legal or not. Many are Elites or daughters, wives, even mistresses of politicians, or politicians or cheaters themselves.

But they are a small fraction of women, and nearly all others would make wonderful mothers. I trust them, again, far more than the government with their choice.

And I feel the exact same when it comes to self-defense as well. But the whims of the people, using the government's guns... sigh, I just wish we could get back to trusting all our fellow Americans.

 

[Cubs79]

The Scotus has always been political. When liberal judges would quote international law in deciding if something was constitutional rather than the constitution, that was political. As for Mc Connells stunt, 29 times a justice has been put up in last year of a presidency, 19 times same party held prez and senate. 17 of 19 were confirmed.
10 times senate was held by opposition party, 1 of 10 were confirmed. The republicans did exactly what is normal and not something outside of what has been done. If the roles were reversed, Dems would have done the exact same thing and those crying here would be cheering them on for saving the court from a right of center swing.

Abortion is a gut wrenching decision for most people to go thru, because like it or not most people know it isn't a bundle of tissue, but a baby involved. I was part of that decision 50 years ago, and the would be mom and I have had to live with the guilt that we killed our baby,, and rarely does a day go by that I don't think of him or her and what kind of amazing person they could have been. I look at my 2 kids and who they are and wonder who my other kid may have been, My oldest has 3 degrees, is a great mom, has been a music director for a number of churches as well as an adjunct professor. My youngest lives on their own, owns their own home and is 90% self sufficient despite being disabled.

A justice has not been up 29 times during the final year of a presidency. It has happened 14 times and Garland was the only one where the senate took no action.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IN11514.pdf

It may have been a gut wrenching decision for you, but not everyone is you and we shouldnt govern because some people regret their decision.

 

[goodknightfl]

A justice has not been up 29 times during the final year of a presidency. It has happened 14 times and Garland was the only one where the senate took no action.

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/IN11514.pdf

It may have been a gut wrenching decision for you, but not everyone is you and we shouldnt govern because some people regret their decision.

you are correct it is a presidential election year or lame duck is 29 times. and the #s hold. if senate and prez are split only 1 or 10 got thru. Not scheduling a vote was an action. I am not saying legal abortion should end, I am for regulating it however. I am against after birth abortions ( some nuts are for it) and late term abortions.

 

[DaShuckster]

Yesterday, in the aftermath of Politico's release of the SCOTUS draft decision, Angry Republicans on Capital Hill were beside themselves telling reporters that THE REAL STORY was the 'treasonous' leak made by an upset Democrat staffer. In no uncertain terms, we were told the leaker should be found and sent to jail for a long time.

But when you stop and think about it, that 'upset Democrat' storyline doesn't make a lot of sense.

1. The draft is dated BACK IN FEBRUARY and the final decision will come in late June. Why would a liberal insider release it NOW in early May and not when the draft first came out? Why the hell wait for two months? One could argue that from a liberal perspective, the news would be even more effective -- midterm election-wise -- when the official announcement was made this summer.
2. The next question becomes: why in the world would a conservative insider leak it? And is there any reason that person would have for leaking it in early May?
3. Remember, last February's draft was the starting point for a final decision. What if in the interim since that first draft, Chief Justice Roberts has been working on a compromise that would result in the court's support for the Mississippi State law WITHOUT overturning Roe?
4. Now if you are a hardcore conservative SCOTUS staffer and your life has been dedicated to the Holy Grail (you know, overturning Roe v Wade) and you see that Golden Prize within your grasp...imagine your horror if you become aware that the Chief Justice is working with Kavanaugh or Barrett to reach a compromise that will...gasp, keep Roe alive? What better way to lock in a justice's initial vote than to leak that first draft to the public!!!

Is that what happened? I have no idea, but like most things, I suspect we'll learn the truth eventually. Only time will tell. But I would venture to bet the scenario I outlined above is much more likely than the ones we heard yesterday from Capital Hill Republicans.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Alabammer as well. In fact, didn't shithole Alabammer try to add another bit that would make it illegal for someone to leave the fukcing state to get an abortion? I seem to remember that, too.

Stop being eating the sheep, UCFoBeSe.

Oklahoma doing some crazy shit too .

 

[Cubs79]

Yesterday, in the aftermath of Politico's release of the SCOTUS draft decision, Angry Republicans on Capital Hill were beside themselves telling reporters that THE REAL STORY was the 'treasonous' leak made by an upset Democrat staffer. In no uncertain terms, we were told the leaker should be found and sent to jail for a long time.

But when you stop and think about it, that 'upset Democrat' storyline doesn't make a lot of sense.

1. The draft is dated BACK IN FEBRUARY and the final decision will come in late June. Why would a liberal insider release it NOW in early May and not when the draft first came out? Why the hell wait for two months? One could argue that from a liberal perspective, the news would be even more effective -- midterm election-wise -- when the official announcement was made this summer.
2. The next question becomes: why in the world would a conservative insider leak it? And is there any reason that person would have for leaking it in early May?
3. Remember, last February's draft was the starting point for a final decision. What if in the interim since that first draft, Chief Justice Roberts has been working on a compromise that would result in the court's support for the Mississippi State law WITHOUT overturning Roe?
4. Now if you are a hardcore conservative SCOTUS staffer and your life has been dedicated to the Holy Grail (you know, overturning Roe v Wade) and you see that Golden Prize within your grasp...imagine your horror if you become aware that the Chief Justice is working with Kavanaugh or Barrett to reach a compromise that will...gasp, keep Roe alive? What better way to lock in a justice's initial vote than to leak that first draft to the public!!!

Is that what happened? I have no idea, but like most things, I suspect we'll learn the truth eventually. Only time will tell. But I would venture to bet the scenario I outlined above is much more likely than the ones we heard yesterday from Capital Hill Republicans.

I kind of think it came from one of the conservatives justices people too, I could be wrong and maybe will we eventually find out. But the timing doesnt make sense for a liberal to do this.

 

[sk8knight]

Democrats should pass a federal bill, but it would require killing the filibuster and I have my doubts Manchin and Sinema would go for that, but we will see. In theory your argument sounds great, but the problem, is that a lot of state houses are just straight up nutty and made up of people who just like the pension and benefits. It was the SC that stopped things like Jim Crowe, allowed interracial marriage, integrated schools, etc etc, it wasnt state houses, and I dont think we are at a point where we should put much trust into state houses when left to their own devices.

So you don’t like Democracy, then?

 

[Cubs79]

So you don’t like Democracy, then?

A state that passes overly restrictive laws isnt Democracy, especially considering how gerrymandered so many states are. If a state brought back Jim Crowe would you be ok with it? My guess is you wouldnt, but by this logic I could just say to you, that you dont like Democracy either. There is should be a balance between federal and states rights.

 

[DaShuckster]

I kind of think it came from one of the conservatives justices people too, I could be wrong and maybe will we eventually find out. But the timing doesnt make sense for a liberal to do this.

I think it was rather telling that when Chief Justice Roberts confirmed yesterday that the leaked draft was authentic, he added "it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case."

 

[fried-chicken]

I just heard Senator Mike Lee talk about this and he suggested the ruling if it goes forward is correct in that the US Constitution does not address the issue of abortion specifically and it's not one the federal government regulates . Medical procedures and licenses are a function of state regulation not federal . Doctors pass state board exams to get licensed to practice . Abortion is a medical procedure . Thats what it is . This is not ,hey I am a black guy who got refused lunch service at Woolworths. Of course the lunch counter issue is a civil rights issue and somewhat universal and basic right. Nobody should be discriminated against like that anywhere in America . Abortions , boob jobs and heart surgery are medical procedures and are all regulated . It's truly a function of state government and not the federal level. That's where the court took this .

Big picture there is a crap tone of federal over reach in our lives and the Constitution and Bill of Rights does it's best to minimize that over reach . One side sees it as states issue and the other sees as a federal civil rights issue . I lean to the state issue and again , while I detest the procedure I do lean for it to be legal .

I also don't think the government should pay a penny for it . The governments job in America is to protect life ,liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's job isn't to fund procedures that terminate life . If a women wants to get an abortion it's on her to pay for it . Let's be clear here , the overwhelming majority of abortions are not from rape and incest , it's a form of oops birth control and not much else.

You get no pussy.

 

[fried-chicken]

I am against after birth abortions ( some nuts are for it)

👎

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Show me which states do allow exceptions for rape and incest. Texas and Oklahoma's new laws sure as hell don't.

I noticed that BS packed up his shit and ran for the hills...

 

[DaShuckster]

I am against after birth abortions.

So am I. It's called murder.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I am against after birth abortions ( some nuts are for it) and late term abortions.

Jesus effing Christ. Go clean a pool, dumb ass.

 

[UCFBS]

So you don’t like Democracy, then?

When it doesn't let the left do what they want ... and elementary rule of law is called a 'narrow interpretation' publicly. I mean, there is a literal cookbook of phrases ...

Rule of law undermined by ...

• a Republican administration? End of Democracy
• a Democratic adminsitration? Narrow Interpretation

Private entity doing what it wants under ...

• a woke-dominant employees? Required Protection of Democracy
• a Libertarian-oriented immigrant-owner? End of Democracy

I mean ... it's like cookie-cutter at this point.

 

[Cubs79]

When it doesn't let the left do what they want ... and elementary rule of law is called a 'narrow interpretation' publicly. I mean, there is a literal cookbook of phrases ...

Rule of law undermined by ...

• a Republican administration? End of Democracy
• a Democratic adminsitration? Narrow Interpretation

Private entity doing what it wants under ...

• a woke-dominant employees? Required Protection of Democracy
• a Libertarian-oriented immigrant-owner? End of Democracy

I mean ... it's like cookie-cutter at this point.

Nobody said they dont like Democracy (well other than people who dont believe in elections anymore) so not sure why you all are even going on about it.

 

[sk8knight]

Nobody said they dont like Democracy (well other than people who dont believe in elections anymore) so not sure why you all are even going on about it.

Because you don’t believe that elected representatives with short term limits can act in the interest of their constituents and you want appointed jurists to interpret what is best for the people of America and rule by judicial edict. Very undemocratic.

 

[UCFBS]

Because you don’t believe that elected representatives with short term limits can act in the interest of their constituents and you want appointed jurists to interpret what is best for the people of America and rule by judicial edict. Very undemocratic.

Touché

 

[Cubs79]

Because you don’t believe that elected representatives with short term limits can act in the interest of their constituents and you want appointed jurists to interpret what is best for the people of America and rule by judicial edict. Very undemocratic.

I didnt remotely say any of this, I am pointing out that states rights issues arent always good issues. SO let me just ask you then, do you think if Alabama or MS or wherever decided to segregate their schools and bring back Jim Crowe would be ok because it is a states rights issue? Simple yes or no question.

 

[Cubs79]

Touché

Yep. Just when the left has most of America thinking the they are the destroyers of civil rights, the economy and national security all at the same time, under the guise of national security and prosperity, the right comes in with a 'States Rights' ruling, ending a 50 year civil liberty protected at the federal level

Your post from earlier in this very thread, so I am not exactly sure why you are saying touche, while earlier in this very thread you were essentially arguing the same idea as me. Have some conviction.

 

[UCFBS]

I didnt remotely say any of this, I am pointing out that states rights issues arent always good issues. SO let me just ask you then, do you think if Alabama or MS or wherever decided to segregate their schools and bring back Jim Crowe would be ok because it is a states rights issue? Simple yes or no question.

So, @Cubs79 ... being you're a fan of a party that screams 'Democracy!' like civics-deprived children as much as 'Science!' even though I disagree with him on this likely SCOTUS ruling, @sk8knight kinda 'owned' you there.

You cannot be someone who screams 'Democracy!' while also calling for a stacked court of lifelong appointments to overturn whatever you want, without looking like the biggest hypocrite on the planet.

This is why Progressives and Democrats should leave the debate with Conservatives and Republicans to us Liberals and Libertarians. Because you Progressives walking liabilities, even more so than the worst Conservatives these days, and make all of us cringe.

A right for anyone to control their body is a Civil Right, especially when anything in their body could not survive on their own without any help. Just like the right for anyone to prevent others from harming them ... in their own home or own space.

But instead ... you go down the rabbit hole, which says Federal trumps State ... always. Establish the fact that it's a Civil Right.

 

[Cubs79]

So, @Cubs79 ... being you're a fan of a party that screams 'Democracy!' like civics-deprived children as much as 'Science!' even though I disagree with him on this likely SCOTUS ruling, @sk8knight kinda 'owned' you there.

You cannot be someone who screams 'Democracy!' while also calling for a stacked court of lifelong appointments to overturn whatever you want, without looking like the biggest hypocrite on the planet.

This is why Progressives and Democrats should leave the debate with Conservatives and Republicans to us Liberals and Libertarians. Because you Progressives walking liabilities, even more so than the worst Conservatives these days, and make all of us cringe.

A right for anyone to control their body is a Civil Right, especially when anything in their body could not survive on their own without any help. Just like the right for anyone to prevent others from harming them ... in their own home or own space.

But instead ... you go down the rabbit hole, which says Federal trumps State ... always. Establish the fact that it's a Civil Right.

He most certainly didnt own me and earlier in this thread you were saying the exact same types of things I am saying, but because you just want to disagree with me so bad you are contradicting yourself in the same thread.


If you think the right to control your own body is a civil right, then how in the hell are you agreeing with him on this and not me? You realize I am the one saying throughout our history it has been the supreme court that decided many of these issues, not state houses. But when I say that it means I dont believe in Democracy? Are you actually following the conversation or just ignoring everything so you can disagree with me?

You believe in a dead political ideology that basically gets no one elected and are contradicting yourself all over this thread, but somehow you are the are the person we should listen to with these issues? Pass.

 

[DaShuckster]

You realize I am the one saying throughout our history it has been the supreme court that decided many of these issues, not state houses.

This ^^^^

Our Country's 'States Rights' crowd have been pushed 'kicking and screaming' by the Courts into modern society.

 

[Cubs79]

This ^^^^

Our Country's 'States Rights' crowd have been pushed 'kicking and screaming' by the Courts into modern society.

Yep. The national guard literally had to be brought in just to desegregate schools in ALabama, Ruby Bridges had to be escorted by federal marshals to attend elementary schools, the SC state house raised the confederate flag and both GA and MS incorporated the confederate flag into their state flags basically to protest being forced to segregate schools, etc etc etc. But somehow, if you dont put your trust in state houses to always do the right thing, you dont believe in Democracy?

 

[goodknightfl]

Yesterday, in the aftermath of Politico's release of the SCOTUS draft decision, Angry Republicans on Capital Hill were beside themselves telling reporters that THE REAL STORY was the 'treasonous' leak made by an upset Democrat staffer. In no uncertain terms, we were told the leaker should be found and sent to jail for a long time.

But when you stop and think about it, that 'upset Democrat' storyline doesn't make a lot of sense.

1. The draft is dated BACK IN FEBRUARY and the final decision will come in late June. Why would a liberal insider release it NOW in early May and not when the draft first came out? Why the hell wait for two months? One could argue that from a liberal perspective, the news would be even more effective -- midterm election-wise -- when the official announcement was made this summer.
2. The next question becomes: why in the world would a conservative insider leak it? And is there any reason that person would have for leaking it in early May?
3. Remember, last February's draft was the starting point for a final decision. What if in the interim since that first draft, Chief Justice Roberts has been working on a compromise that would result in the court's support for the Mississippi State law WITHOUT overturning Roe?
4. Now if you are a hardcore conservative SCOTUS staffer and your life has been dedicated to the Holy Grail (you know, overturning Roe v Wade) and you see that Golden Prize within your grasp...imagine your horror if you become aware that the Chief Justice is working with Kavanaugh or Barrett to reach a compromise that will...gasp, keep Roe alive? What better way to lock in a justice's initial vote than to leak that first draft to the public!!!

Is that what happened? I have no idea, but like most things, I suspect we'll learn the truth eventually. Only time will tell. But I would venture to bet the scenario I outlined above is much more likely than the ones we heard yesterday from Capital Hill Republicans.

I have no idea who leaked it, but I would first look at the newest people serving at the court. That being said, a compromise should not be happening from either side, it either stands as constitutional or it doesn't. That being said Roberts has bent over backwards to pull off what he wishes before. See Obamacare.

 

[DaShuckster]

Interesting to see HOW QUIET the board’s ‘freedom’ fighters are on this given the months they’ve spent posting about the government restricting THEIR rights non-stop.

You‘d think guys so upset with …(cue sinister music)…government mask mandates might feel a teeny-weeny twinge of compassion about the big bad government forcing some poor ‘Bama rape victim to become a mother against her will.

 

[goodknightfl]

I didnt remotely say any of this, I am pointing out that states rights issues arent always good issues. SO let me just ask you then, do you think if Alabama or MS or wherever decided to segregate their schools and bring back Jim Crowe would be ok because it is a states rights issue? Simple yes or no question.

So Federal issues are always good issues??

 

[Cubs79]

So Federal issues are always good issues??

Didnt say that either.

 

[UCFBS]

He most certainly didnt own me and earlier in this thread you were saying the exact same types of things I am saying, but because you just want to disagree with me so bad you are contradicting yourself in the same thread.

It's not 'contradicting.' It's acknowledging when someone you do not agree with is correct in their application of civics, evenif it's not directly applicable.

We used to call this skill 'debating.' Progressives have been losing that skill as they've become Illiberal and Conservatives have become more Liberal.

If you think the right to control your own body is a civil right, then how in the hell are you agreeing with him on this and not me?

Don't be a 3rd grader, and re-read. I agree with you on what the ruling should be. But you're a typical Progressive, and utterly look like a fool arguing with Conservatives at times.

Conservatives are owning Progressives right now on 'Democracy!' and @sk8knight nailed it. Now ...

You realize I am the one saying throughout our history it has been the supreme court that decided many of these issues, not state houses. But when I say that it means I dont believe in Democracy?

So you agree that Democrats and the Progressive Mainstream look like fools with this 'Democracy!' garbage?

And that a woman's body is a Civil Right that must trump Democracy, and edicts must come down from the courts? And if so ... are you willing to concede the same for self-defense and firearms?!

And here's the thing ...

Even in Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS said the states can limit periods and types of abortions to trimester. Some of the red states are very much doing that. Even as a Libertarian who believes a woman should control her body right up to when the baby comes out, I have to follow the civics and point that out about even Roe v. Wade.

SIDE NOTE: The problem I really have with Progressives and Democrats lately is that they are saying it's still the woman's body even 10 days after birth! Sigh ...

Are you actually following the conversation or just ignoring everything so you can disagree with me?

Are you a 3rd grader and incapable of stopping to recognize the civics I'm pointing out?

I can agree with both Conservatives and Progressives and disagree with them at the same time. This concept of civics, law and other realities requires me to.

You believe in a dead political ideology that basically gets no one elected

So do 70% of Americans, even if they don't vote for them. I'm one of the few who do.

and are contradicting yourself all over this thread, but somehow you are the are the person we should listen to with these issues? Pass.

Yes, because the objective person who actually follows the civics and law shouldn't be listened to, and I should be required to not only pic a 'lesser evil,' but ****ing 'nuke the other side' and never agree with them when they are correct.

My biggest problem continues to be how much Progressives are losing ground to Conservatives who are continuing to best them as civics, and have become the Illiberal party. You need Liberals and Libertarians to save yourselves, but you're pissed off at us because we have to agree with them at times.

Just like Conservatives do the same to us when we agree with you Progressives ... with one exception. Nearly all of them aren't trying to destroy our families and livelihoods by calling us Nazis and Trump supporters.

 

[Cubs79]

It's not 'contradicting.' It's acknowledging when someone you do not agree with is correct in their application of civics, evenif it's not directly applicable.

We used to call this skill 'debating.' Progressives have been losing that skill as they've become Illiberal and Conservatives have become more Liberal.


Don't be a 3rd grader, and re-read. I agree with you on what the ruling should be. But you're a typical Progressive, and utterly look like a fool arguing with Conservatives at times.

Conservatives are owning Progressives right now on 'Democracy!' and @sk8knight nailed it. Now ...


So you agree that Democrats and the Progressive Mainstream look like fools with this 'Democracy!' garbage?

And that a woman's body is a Civil Right that must trump Democracy, and edicts must come down from the courts? And if so ... are you willing to concede the same for self-defense and firearms?!

And here's the thing ...

Even in Roe v. Wade, the SCOTUS said the states can limit periods and types of abortions to trimester. Some of the red states are very much doing that. Even as a Libertarian who believes a woman should control her body right up to when the baby comes out, I have to follow the civics and point that out about even Roe v. Wade.

SIDE NOTE: The problem I really have with Progressives and Democrats lately is that they are saying it's still the woman's body even 10 days after birth! Sigh ...


Are you a 3rd grader and incapable of stopping to recognize the civics I'm pointing out?

I can agree with both Conservatives and Progressives and disagree with them at the same time. This concept of civics, law and other realities requires me to.


So do 70% of Americans, even if they don't vote for them. I'm one of the few who do.


Yes, because the objective person who actually follows the civics and law shouldn't be listened to, and I should be required to not only pic a 'lesser evil,' but ****ing 'nuke the other side' and never agree with them when they are correct.

My biggest problem continues to be how much Progressives are losing ground to Conservatives who are continuing to best them as civics, and have become the Illiberal party. You need Liberals and Libertarians to save yourselves, but you're pissed off at us because we have to agree with them at times.

Just like Conservatives do the same to us when we agree with you Progressives ... with one exception. Nearly all of them aren't trying to destroy our families and livelihoods by calling us Nazis and Trump supporters.

A bunch of words that mean nothing. You agree with me, but because you normally dont agree with me you have to argue anyway.

70% of this country are not libertarians, that is ridiculous.

I didnt bring up "democracy garbage" Sk8 did when he told me if I dont believe in Democracy because I dont have faith in many state houses when it comes to protecting civil rights.

Last I checked guns arent being banned, so not sure what that has to do with anything, but if we are just going to over write 50 year old rulings because of politics, then I guess that would mean the cases such as Heller are fair game too.

 

[UCFBS]

A bunch of words that mean nothing. You agree with me, but because you normally dont agree with me you have to argue anyway.

The details are the debate, yes.

70% of this country are not libertarians, that is ridiculous.

70% of the US identifies as Libertarian values. That's been covered over and over.

You don't see it in US Mass and Social Media because most people work and help run this country, and don't have time to be 'outraged.' Even The Atlantic and other, old liberal magazines have covered this.

Under 10% are die-hard Progressives, and under 25% are die-hard Conservatives.

I didnt bring up "democracy garbage" Sk8 did when he told me if I dont believe in Democracy because I dont have faith in many state houses when it comes to protecting civil rights.
Last I checked guns arent being banned,

Neither is abortion. Several red states are following Roe v. Wade to the extreme-intepretation letter, outlawing abortions after 15 weeks. They are just saying they aren't legal in most cases during the second trimester, which is more debatable.

so not sure what that has to do with anything

It's the exact same! It's states doing everything to outlaw the civil right. Sigh ... 'Progressives.'

but if we are just going to over write 50 year old rulings because of politics,

Even I have to admit the Conservatives have been right about one thing ... Roe v. Wade wasn't the strongest ruling, while Congress has failed to act, and even the American people could push an Amendment.

then I guess that would mean the cases such as Heller are fair game too.

Exactly! Now you're getting it! Heller isn't a strongest ruling either! Which is why I cannot stand both Progressives and Conservatives! Each are trying to tear down 'their half' of Civil Rights!

And now you understand the 70% of American that is tired of it.

 

[Cubs79]

The details are the debate, yes.


70% of the US identifies as Libertarian values. That's been covered over and over.

You don't see it in US Mass and Social Media because most people work and help run this country, and don't have time to be 'outraged.' Even The Atlantic and other, old liberal magazines have covered this.

Under 10% are die-hard Progressives, and under 25% are die-hard Conservatives.


Neither is abortion. Several red states are following Roe v. Wade to the extreme-intepretation letter, outlawing abortions after 15 weeks. They are just saying they aren't legal in most cases during the second trimester, which is more debatable.


It's the exact same! It's states doing everything to outlaw the civil right. Sigh ... 'Progressives.'


Even I have to admit the Conservatives have been right about one thing ... Roe v. Wade wasn't the strongest ruling, while Congress has failed to act, and even the American people could push an Amendment.


Exactly! Now you're getting it! Heller isn't a strongest ruling either! Which is why I cannot stand both Progressives and Conservatives! Each are trying to tear down 'their half' of Civil Rights!

And now you understand the 70% of American that is tired of it.

I dont know where you are getting this 70% number from, but I assure you 70% of this country is not libertarian, and anyone who has an issue with the government doesnt equate to being libertarian.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I dont know where you are getting this 70% number from, but I assure you 70% of this country is not libertarian, and anyone who has an issue with the government doesnt equate to being libertarian.

70% of this country isn’t libertarian. Ucfbs is a freaking idiot.

 

[DaShuckster]

I find it quite striking that our "freedom from Government tyranny" crowd who spent the past two years going on and on and on about draconian face mask mandates and having COVID vaccines pushed on them have gone silent when its the issue of Roe v Wade.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I find it quite striking that our "freedom from Government tyranny" crowd who spent the past two years going on and on and on about draconian face mask mandates and having COVID vaccines pushed on them have gone silent when its the issue of Roe v Wade.

Well, here is the problem:

Crazyhole
Bostwat
knighttime
UCFoBese

It's just the parade float these days.

@Ucfmikes where da hell you at?!??!

 

[Ucfmikes]

Well, here is the problem:

Crazyhole
Bostwat
knighttime
UCFoBese

It's just the parade float these days.

@Ucfmikes where da hell you at?!??!

All of the imbeciles have either been banned or have realized that nobody is reading their Biden-obsessed and/or
Anti-vaxxer, crazy conspiracy theory, Twitter-posting rants. They never really were interested in discussing any other topics in a mature manner. They destroyed the WC.

Search nM. You may find something really interesting. knighttime has mysteriously deleted thousands of content. Very odd and extremely time consuming

Maybe the WC can now actually be a place for some semi-useful, productive discussion again. I actually haven’t followed this topic enough to add any useful discussion.

What is one step up from a cesspool? I think we have progressed to that at least. Lol

 

[DaShuckster]

Well, here is the problem:

Crazyhole
Bostwat
knighttime
UCFoBese

It's just the parade float these days.

I hadn't realized KNIGHTTIME had disappeared too. No wonder it's felt more subdued around here lately. I agree with Ucfmikes! This place might actually have a chance going forward now. 🤞

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

All of the imbeciles have either been banned or have realized that nobody is reading their Biden-obsessed and/or
Anti-vaxxer, crazy conspiracy theory, Twitter-posting rants. They never really were interested in discussing any other topics in a mature manner. They destroyed the WC.

Search nM. You may find something really interesting. knighttime has mysteriously deleted thousands of content. Very odd and extremely time consuming

Maybe the WC can now actually be a place for some semi-useful, productive discussion again. I actually haven’t followed this topic enough to add any useful discussion.

What is one step up from a cesspool? I think we have progressed to that at least. Lol

It’s very weird. @KNIGHTTIME^ also started following me last week.

 

[Ucfmikes]

It’s very weird. @KNIGHTTIME^ also started following me last week.

Super weird. The people on your list have serious mental issues. That’s without question

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Super weird. The people on your list have serious mental issues. That’s without question

Do a search for him in the dungeon. It says “no results found.”