SARS-CoV-2 vaccine options, especially since it'll likely be an annual vaccination going forward

[UCFBS]

Instead of being in the "I'll take anything yesterday" crowd, like most here ...

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I'd like to actually start a thread on SARS-CoV-2 vaccine options, especially since it looks like we'll be taking on SARS-CoV-2 on for a long time, so we'll have annual re-vaccinations.

Given the extremely limited, and poor results with those very recent, very limited, with mRNA trials prior to SARS-CoV-2, and the recent EMA leak that basically pointed out why the Europeans wouldn't have approved the Pfizer mRNA vaccine if people weren't dropping dead, I've really been looking at the Adenovirus Vectors options.

Now the Europeans have yanked the AztraZeneca Adenovirus option over blood clots, even though the statistics really don't support them being greater than nominal for just about any vaccine. I.e,. it's around only 1 in 400,000. That's actually lower than the mortality rate cataloged with the first 12M or so mRNA vaccines (around 1 in 50,000). But the Europeans are far more willing to do that, than us.

But that's not available in the US. What is available is the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) Adenovirus. I heard at least one person here has had it or is administering it. Kinda curious about their input too.


Related articles from European Regulators, Medical Aggregate Sites, Medical Journals and, in one case, Academia.

[European Regulator] Why SARS-CoV-2 is likely here to stay: https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/qa-why-history-suggests-covid-19-here-stay.html

[Aggregator] Vaccine Tracker (all vaccines, approved/locale, and in-dev): https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2020/3/covid-19-vaccine-tracker

[Medical Journal] The BMJ Facts in the EMA Leak (Pfizer-related): https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627

[Medical Journal] Adenovirus History, mostly Pros, but the infamous HIV Con: https://www.medpagetoday.com/podcasts/trackthevax/91323

[Academia] Adenovirus v. mRNA vaccines: https://theconversation.com/from-ad...f-different-covid-vaccine-technologies-145454

 

[UCFBS]

I'll sit back for a while and see how these human trials go. My gut says go with the single shot J and J if I feel the need to get a shot.

I'm pushing 50, and overweight, so I'm a risk factor. My wife is only a couple of years behind me, Type 2 and a college professor, so ... she'll be getting it in May by her college.

I'm pushing her to do the J&J for that reason, and the full set. I'll follow her after.
But if we were half our ages, yes, we'd wait a couple of years for full trials.

And if I had kids? No f'n way would I let them get a mRNA vaccine. We don't know jack. Not sure about Adenovirus, would have to talk to our doctor. If the schools required it, then we'd home school. But we don't have kids.

I think I got the flu shot once ever.

I've had the flu shot once as well.

Even the CDC has had to admit the efficacy of even the quad-flu 2017-2019 (3 seasons) was only 16-25%. There are just so many B/C variants that it's really a crapshoot for them to predict the 3-4 most likely to outbreak. Even 2019 had a C variant outbreak that was bigger than the typical B, but with far less deaths and hospitalizations as Cs are usually far less impactful on the respiratory, let alone cardiovascular, systems.

And I cannot get the Shingles vaccine. I don't have VZV in my system, so I cannot have a Singles outbreak. So introducing VZL (or the newer VZV currently in trials) into my bloodstream would cause me to be able to have a Shingles outbreak. Right now I would have to not only be exposed to someone with the Shingles, or Chickenpox for that matter, but it would have to enter my bloodstream. The vaccine would do such to me.

Now if I ever do get the Chickenpox, I will get the Shingles vaccine every few years, on-schedule. But not until I actually have VZV in my system. I'm still amazes how many people don't know that. My doctor and I have discussed it at length, had me tested for VZV, and then we went through all the 'exposures' I've had, and given the fact that it's never entered my bloodstream, even she agrees. There's no sense in artificially introducing it.

My prior doctor agreed. My risk is reduced because I'd have to be exposed at the exact same time my immune system is compromised, whereas if I get the Shingles vaccine, all I have to do is have a compromised immune system for it to come out on its own.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I have some concerns vaccinating my kids. Are there any trials/studies going on as of now on kids? I have yet to find one...

 

[Happy Hands]

I have some concerns vaccinating my kids. Are there any trials/studies going on as of now on kids? I have yet to find one...

Moderna announced earlier this week that they have started testing it on children. I don’t quite see the point beyond maybe high risk children. I may have missed an exchange and this is sarcasm on your part, though. I’ve grown weary of the politics.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Moderna announced earlier this week that they have started testing it on children. I don’t quite see the point beyond maybe high risk children. I may have missed an exchange and this is sarcasm on your part, though. I’ve grown weary of the politics.

I am not being political at all. I am asking a serious question. I'd like to think kids, especially mine, aren't bait for trolling...

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

I am not being political at all. I am asking a serious question. I'd like to think kids, especially mine, aren't bait for trolling...

Yes , next year a vaccine should be out for kids. Some trials are ongoing now.If you are over 40 get vaccine I had Covid for 30 plus days...went to Hospital as well. I felt I was going to die. I will take vaccine when available. I don't want to feel that way again. Plus lost Grandmother, Uncle,Cousin. Also another uncle had a hole made in throat so he could breathe better. Yeah get vaccine especially if Hispanic or Black..

 

[Happy Hands]

I am not being political at all. I am asking a serious question. I'd like to think kids, especially mine, aren't bait for trolling...

Sorry. I didn’t mean I’m weary of politics from you in particular, just in general. It wasn’t an accusation. However, most kids are trolls. They are small humanoid creatures, they are gross, play under bridges and steal food. So feel free to use them for trolling.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Sorry. I didn’t mean I’m weary of politics from you in particular, just in general. It wasn’t an accusation. However, most kids are trolls. They are small humanoid creatures, they are gross, play under bridges and steal food. So feel free to use them for trolling.

They are definitely vampires on the bank account...

 

[goodknightfl]

Yes , next year a vaccine should be out for kids. Some trials are ongoing now.If you are over 40 get vaccine I had Covid for 30 plus days...went to Hospital as well. I felt I was going to die. I will take vaccine when available. I don't want to feel that way again. Plus lost Grandmother, Uncle,Cousin. Also another uncle had a hole made in throat so he could breathe better. Yeah get vaccine especially if Hispanic or Black..

You likely have as much resistance as anyone who has vaccine. Likely will have it for 3 to 5 years. There has only been a very small # of people who got it twice.

 

[Crazyhole]

I have some concerns vaccinating my kids. Are there any trials/studies going on as of now on kids? I have yet to find one...

I can't imagine why any parent would think it's a good idea to give their kid an experimental treatment of any kind when the death rate from natural infection is .0003%.

 

[UCFBS]

I have some concerns vaccinating my kids. Are there any trials/studies going on as of now on kids? I have yet to find one...

I am not being political at all. I am asking a serious question. I'd like to think kids, especially mine, aren't bait for trolling...

US FDA trials are underway with *reduced* doses, both mRNA and Adenovirus. It will be awhile before any approvals occur.

I still haven't heard of any trials with pregnant women, yet.

I had Covid for 30 plus days...went to Hospital as well. I felt I was going to die. I will take vaccine when available. I don't want to feel that way again. Plus lost Grandmother, Uncle, Cousin. Also another uncle had a hole made in throat so he could breathe better.

Sounds like your family's genetics are high risk.

You likely have as much resistance as anyone who has vaccine. Likely will have it for 3 to 5 years. There has only been a very small # of people who got it twice.

Vaccine efficacy is 94-95% (mRNA) and 72% (Adenovirus) for only 2 months, and then drops under 50% after 4 months. People can and will get it annually, so vaccines will likely be required annually as well, especially the elderly and high risk.

Don't know where you got 3-5 years from. I've never heard of a single study, researcher or doctor saying such about any coronavirus, let alone novel coronaviruses.

In fact, a lot of research into aged, but deadly, novel coronaviruses like OC43 (130 years old) are turning up the fact that even those who don't come down with the symptoms are giving them to the elderly. E.g., OC43, which is not tested for in hospitals, is showing up in a lot of pneumonia cases when tested for in university research.

It's amazing how we're only now, after 3 regional outbreaks (2003, 2009, 2019), with 1 turning global (2019), how much were finally starting to take coronaviruses serious again. We kinda got spoiled over the last few decades with common, next-gen antihistamines and immunosuppressives, in fighting colds, even serious ones that over tax that cardiovascular system.

Finally we're now starting to realize how many novel ones there are that are actually the root cause of so many deaths or at least complications. Hopefully that means more research and less ignorance, and that's why most realize SARS-CoV-2 is very likely here to stay, and will be an annual issue.

And I that's definitely why many are skeptical that vaccination children will do anything. They will still pass it on, just like they have many others. All while children don't die from even novel coronaviruses, it's very rare.

 

[UCFBS]

I don’t quite see the point beyond maybe high risk children. I may have missed an exchange and this is sarcasm on your part, though. I’ve grown weary of the politics.

Enough US Media personalities believe it's required to keep kids from passing it on to grandma and grandpa, not realizing the vaccines don't prevent transmission, just reduce the chance of infection.

The US Media has utterly made the population ignorant of coronaviruses and their real risks. We've also become a society used to both next-gen antihistamines and immunosuppressives. What seriously harmed 50-100 years ago requires a lot more to do so now with modern, OTC drugs, let alone other medicine.

After all, it's not the coronavirus that usually kills, but the complications in both other viruses or bacterias that 'join in the fight,' as well as the body's own over-reaction. That's why we add antibiotics and immunosuppressives to the fight, even though neither have any effect on coronavirus, to keep people out of hospitals.

That's why the US Media sounds like bafoons when they stupidly downplay hydrocloriquine. It doesn't cure Malaria either. It's a strong immunosuppressive which, of course, affects the heart as all immunosuppressives do... like even milder ones such as typical steroids, even if less so.

Falling to do so can cause serious damage to the cardiovascular system, both temporary and permanent if left unaddressed, even if one recovers.

That's why my IQ is cut in half when people start throwing out their brains because of US Media talking heads. This stuff is common sense. SARS-CoV-2 is just one that spread like a wildfire, and took us 6 months to figure out how to fight it without making things worse.

That's why the hospital mortality rate dropped from the initial 12% down to 3.7% by September and then 2.1% by December. Influenza-B/C are 5-10%, and Influenza-A is even much worse. SARS-CoV-2's main issue is how fast or spreads, worse than most other coronaviruses, which are already worse than flus.

Keeping people out of hospitals with immunosuppressives is a key one, but no, it doesn't cure SARS-CoV-2 itself at all. Vaccinating kids won't stop them from spreading it, which is why social distancing and people staying home when they're sick is going to continue.

Everytime a child hugs grandma, it's always been a risk. We just haven't been studying it... until just more recently. We have utterly not been tracking OC43 caused elderly deaths at all, but many researchers are strongly advocating we do again.

 

[UCFBS]

Be sure if you're Hispanic or Black to be hitting the d3 vitamins, vitamin C, and zinc. Sorry about your family loss by the way. Hurts to lose family

Vitamin D has been preached by most PCPs for the past decade.

Vitamin C has been preached forever.

The various Vitamin Bs are not so straight forward. Some have impacts in overdoses, especially if they accumulate in the body, so you don't want too much beyond the DV.

Same with a select few others.

Yes, too much can be bad, especially when sustained and the vitamin or mineral isn't something the body secretes often. That's why the DV is the DV, the median you should get, regardless of how fast or slow the body accumulates or loses it.

Hitting 100% DV is really all that is required, and accumulation and loss varies for when one misses several days or if someone takes a whopper (1,000% DV or even 10,000% DV).

In other words...

Taking 1,000% DV on a Sunday, once a week, might be fine for some vitamins, but not others when the body secretes it every couple of days. In other cases, 1,000% every day might actually not harm, but others it may very much harm, especially if it builds up as the body doesn't secrete it nearly as much.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Be sure if you're Hispanic or Black to be hitting the d3 vitamins, vitamin C, and zinc. Sorry about your family loss by the way. Hurts to lose family

Yes I was given Zinc and Vitamin D supplements when I was in Hospital...also don't take Zinc on a empty stomach it makes u Vomit...I was also given Steroids and medication for pneumonia I developed....My Morher was given oxygen and also given Plasma with Antibodies which saved her. And Regeneron as well...Pretty much what Trump was given..She was saved but spent 3 weeks in Hospital. I finally just healed from Pneumonia and finally started walking again. Lungs are not great but I was given exercise to increase my lung activity. Oxygen levels are back around 98 before they were below 94. Which is low.

 

[UCFBS]

Pregnancy trials are underway...

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[Boston.Knight]

I've really been looking at the Adenovirus Vectors options.

Yikes, that didn't age well.

If you need a vax within the next couple months, I think protien based novovax is the best. No PEG. Spikes are harvested from moth cells and made ahead of time. A mix of old school and new school.

For my bubble, wife and MIL are vaxxed with mRNA. I am prophlaxing with Ivermectin and have a variety of repurposed drugs and OTC stuff to fight off simple RNA viruses.

 

[Boston.Knight]

Doing a risk/reward for kids getting a vaccine seems obvious they shouldn't get the vaccine.

Frst day they get a sniffle, give them some ivermectin. The OG "safe and effective".

Buy the duravet horse paste if you have to. A guy on twitter reported that was enough for his kid. I've taken the horse paste 4 times and gave it to my 83 year old mother in law with cormids. We all took it, nobody got a sniffle.

We had PCR+ very early into viral replication phase, she had just started presenting - not fever, but body ache. Within 2 hours, we each had our first dose.

All that other stuff works too. HCQ - you have to combo it with other stuff.

If you want some pointers on this, let me know. I diverge with Berenson on the virus and don't think going bareback in public is a good idea. The reports out of India are brutal.

 

[Boston.Knight]

BTW, if you want to see what's going on with ivermectin, look at the countries/regions that have broad adoption. Follow this guy on twitter

This includes - Zimbabwe who put out their fire with ivy, South Africa as well. Guatamala, Panama, Chipas Mexico, although the entire country has adopted. But at every turn, Big Pharma is there with a disinformation campaign influencing corrupt regulatory agencies to downplay ivermectin. They de-adopt,, shit blows up, then the re-adopt. Same gonna happen with the vaxes. They all gonna go running back to mama (ivermectin) just like India is doing now.

 

[UCFBS]

Yikes, that didn't age well.

If you need a vax within the next couple months, I think protien based novovax is the best. No PEG. Spikes are harvested from moth cells and made ahead of time. A mix of old school and new school.

For my bubble, wife and MIL are vaxxed with mRNA. I am prophlaxing with Ivermectin and have a variety of repurposed drugs and OTC stuff to fight off simple RNA viruses.

Why? I just got the shot Tuesday before lunch, the J&J Adenovirus type. Not even minor side effects so far.

 

[cnewton157]

Got that mRNA stuff coursing through my body. Feels good brah.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Pfizer for me.....and I was sick with fever for 2 days 2 more days bedridden...Second dose knocked me out for 2 days no fever though just aches and pains...And I got Covid for 35 days before I got vaccine. I guess I must be weak to virus..I had pneumonia fever for about 12 days and heartbeat was over 145..I had to go to Doctors.. but it hit my whole family hard as well.. .I guess my New World Genes were not used to this virus. I am Meztizo. .I can see how those Spaniards killed my Indian race now .

 

[Boston.Knight]

Just be advised that the immunologist behind #Screenb4vaccine on twitter thinks the vax for previously infected is causing clots . Consider upping your anti coag game 30 days post vax

Another theory says it’s the spikes causing all the problems.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Just be advised that the immunologist behind #Screenb4vaccine on twitter thinks the vax for previously infected is causing clots . Consider upping your anti coag game 30 days post vax

Another theory says it’s the spikes causing all the problems.

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Conspiracy theories. I’ve never felt better and my workouts have actually improved

 

[Boston.Knight]

Conspiracy theories. I’ve never felt better and my workouts have actually improved

So let me get this right. An immunologist, cardiac surgeon with a phd is giving conspiracy theories?

And buff 27 year olds having heart attacks is normal? 🤦‍♀️

 

[sk8knight]

So let me get this right. An immunologist, cardiac surgeon with a phd is giving conspiracy theories?

And buff 27 year olds having heart attacks is normal? 🤦‍♀️

Not normal but not unicorns either. How many tests do you think he had on his cardiovascular system prior to the heart attack to know that it was normal.

 

[Boston.Knight]

Not normal but not unicorns either. How many tests do you think he had on his cardiovascular system prior to the heart attack to know that it was normal.

@Ucfmikes @sk8knight looking at you for rebuttals. Or are you koolaid drinkers hit and run?

Can you answer these questions:

* What vaccines is it normal to be tortured for 4 days straight like being reported here and all over the world? Why do you think that is normal?

* What immunological advantage do you think a vaccine confers over a nasty recent wild infection?

* What other vaccine do we vaccinate right on top of with an active infection?

How about we listen to Dr. Noorchasm, whose own wife was killed by "one size fits all" indiscriminate medical policy. This guy is a subject matter expert in both cardiac and immunology. He has nothing to gain, and everything to lose going against the narrative.

 

[Ucfmikes]

So let me get this right. An immunologist, cardiac surgeon with a phd is giving conspiracy theories?

And buff 27 year olds having heart attacks is normal? 🤦‍♀️

I want to see a published, double blind randomized study of 1000 patients. Not some random
case of a few heart issues which occur in the general population albeit rarely

 

[Boston.Knight]

Not only this doctor but there is a decent sized group in the medical field that are not getting the vaccine. They just aren't being vocal about it. There are some potential long term questions about a messenger vaccine. I get anyone over 60 the risk/reward is enough to take it. I don't get a 16 year old getting vaccinated without knowing any impacts especially if they will have kids. I doubt it will be an issue but for an age with a near 0 death rate is it worth it? Oh and those younger kids sometimes will get as sick as naturally getting the virus?

The girl that does the ucf videos mentioned she got a 103 temperature and sick as a dog after the vaccine. For that they still have to wear a mask. Or like Biden outside by himself or on a zoom call.

The brainwashing on this has been overpowering, and it's only going to get worse. Since Biden didn't ban flights out of India, the escape mutants are now sewing their seeds in the US. If you want to get an idea of what breakthrough infections are going to look like, check out what's going on in India .

Keep in mind, anything but happy talk about vaccines is being censored everywhere. So this is just a small sample

Hopefully, seasonality will win out over infectiousness and we'll get a break from this vile thing until next flu season.

BTW, get some of that Ivermectin horse paste. If your kid comes home with a sniffle, follow the Imask protocol for you, give the kid a single dose. Problem solved.

One small dose of the OG safe and effective will have the kids recovered in no time

 

[Boston.Knight]

Not only this doctor but there is a decent sized group in the medical field that are not getting the vaccine.

If you go on twitter and search for myocarditis, you can find hundreds of stories like this one. But the koolaid drinkers will tell you it's all normal and has been fact checked false. 🤦‍♂️

Also, myocarditis goes largely undetected, but it's not benign , doing damage silently. Even cardiologists are being censored if they express any opinion other than happy talk.



And look at this story how an RN saved her friends life when the hospital would not . This is generational level corruption and dysfunction. If you go on the FLCCC website they have a ton of videos just like this story. People have to spell out life saving drugs in code words because social media censors and removes them otherwise.

 

[Ucfmikes]

twitter and search for myocarditis

Hahahahaha 😂😂😂

 

[sk8knight]

@Ucfmikes @sk8knight looking at you for rebuttals. Or are you koolaid drinkers hit and run?

Can you answer these questions:

* What vaccines is it normal to be tortured for 4 days straight like being reported here and all over the world? Why do you think that is normal?

* What immunological advantage do you think a vaccine confers over a nasty recent wild infection?

* What other vaccine do we vaccinate right on top of with an active infection?

How about we listen to Dr. Noorchasm, whose own wife was killed by "one size fits all" indiscriminate medical policy. This guy is a subject matter expert in both cardiac and immunology. He has nothing to gain, and everything to lose going against the narrative.

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Relax zealot. I was just saying that fit people of all ages suffer heart attacks every day. You don’t do this for a living, I don’t do this for a living, although I do work with people who do, and neither does anyone else on these boards.

Just present your evidence and don’t get offended if people don’t agree with everything that you put forth. It doesn’t diminish you or your theory.

 

[Boston.Knight]

fit people of all ages suffer heart attacks every day.

Just so we're clear - you are saying that young healthy 20 somethings with no history of heart disease, or any medical illness, and no explanation for the injury other than the vaccine are having heart attacks every day?

It's ok, I understand your guys denial. I think it's weak, but I do get it.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Just so we're clear - you are saying that young healthy 20 somethings with no history of heart disease, or any medical illness, and no explanation for the injury other than the vaccine are having heart attacks every day?

It's ok, I understand your guys denial. I think it's weak, but I do get it.

I know we are cool with each other, but just as I slammed the hell out of @UCFBS and it would be disingenuous for me to give you a free pass. At this point, without a published study, this is all hearsay and conspiracy theories. You know better that you can’t pull this stuff on me

 

[sk8knight]

Just so we're clear - you are saying that young healthy 20 somethings with no history of heart disease, or any medical illness, and no explanation for the injury other than the vaccine are having heart attacks every day?

It's ok, I understand your guys denial. I think it's weak, but I do get it.

Yes. It happens every single day and no one ever hears about it. Hence why it seems like a unicorn to you when it shows up in your search for confirmation of your theory. 735,000 people have a heart attack every year with 525,000 being first timers. Many of those are going to be previously healthy individuals.

From the nationally-ranked Memorial Hermann healthcare system in Texas:

“While most heart attack victims are middle-aged or older, the truth is that heart disease can affect anyone, of any age, even those who exercise and eat all the right foods.”

Heart Disease & Age | Heart and Vascular

It's never too late to be fit and fabulous! Heart health is your best friend at any age. If you're over 50, it's time to take your personal risk factors to heart – and be aware of warning signs that could save your life or the life of someone you love.

memorialhermann.org

 

[Boston.Knight]

Why? I just got the shot Tuesday before lunch, the J&J Adenovirus type. Not even minor side effects so far.

Spikes dude. 😀

They cause all sorts of problems. Some of this is a little speculative, but safety on the vaxes has been tossed aside so who knows. It’s sound science, but a hypothesis until proven true

True story, my neighbor had the ro bad. He told me he developed type 2 diabetes because of it. It runs in his family and all the men get it in 60’s

He said something from the ro accelerated time in his body by 20 years early onset . Since then, there are all sorts of antidotal stories just like this. The spike vax is making alz, parkinsons, als, ms accelerate downhill . it’s all unproven but a lot of independent scientists are blowing smoke here

 

[Boston.Knight]

Actually on the neighbor, he didn’t really have the ro that bad. Would say moderate case. Which makes this early onset thing even more disturbing

He lost partial vision, but was never hospitalized . The vision issue was from overuse of steroids primarily

All the vaxes currently are spike, so it is what it is. Even novovax is spike.

 

[fabknight]

Spikes dude. 😀

They cause all sorts of problems. Some of this is a little speculative, but safety on the vaxes has been tossed aside so who knows. It’s sound science, but a hypothesis until proven true

True story, my neighbor had the ro bad. He told me he developed type 2 diabetes because of it. It runs in his family and all the men get it in 60’s

He said something from the ro accelerated time in his body by 20 years early onset . Since then, there are all sorts of antidotal stories just like this. The spike vax is making alz, parkinsons, als, ms accelerate downhill . it’s all unproven but a lot of independent scientists are blowing smoke here

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Anecdotal of course, but my father has Parkinson's and had the Pfizer vaccine a year ago. There has be zero significant acceleration in his condition.

 

[Boston.Knight]

Anecdotal of course, but my father has Parkinson's and had the Pfizer vaccine a year ago. There has be zero significant acceleration in his condition.

I saw a lot of reports on facebook like this one

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I saw a lot of reports on facebook like this one

Facebook: the harbinger of truth. I am now 100% convinced.

 

[Boston.Knight]

If a dementia patient is at risk....🤫

I mean there were hundreds of reports like this, including retirement home workers saying they noticed it in the patients.

Those guys saying it’s the spikes are fringe guys, but they are pretty sharp scientists too.

Don’t know what to think other than it’s highly entertaining to follow and I have no plans for spike currently 😀