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SARS-CoV-2 vaccine options, especially since it'll likely be an annual vaccination going forward

If you go on twitter and search for myocarditis, you can find hundreds of stories like this one. But the koolaid drinkers will tell you it's all normal and has been fact checked false. 🤦‍♂️

Also, myocarditis goes largely undetected, but it's not benign , doing damage silently. Even cardiologists are being censored if they express any opinion other than happy talk.



And look at this story how an RN saved her friends life when the hospital would not . This is generational level corruption and dysfunction. If you go on the FLCCC website they have a ton of videos just like this story. People have to spell out life saving drugs in code words because social media censors and removes them otherwise.

A half million people in the US are diagnosed with myocarditis each year. Before the existence of the Covid vaccine. Much like autism, the presence of a condition alone in a vaccinated individual is not evidence that the vaccine caused the condition. This non-link is clear when someone has injuries from a car accident for instance. It’s less clear to some folks when it is a relatively rare heart condition instead.
 
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Also so we are clear, myocarditis is primarily a young person disease effecting mainly those in the 20-40 age range. So it’s no surprise that there are more cases in the younger population of vaccinated individuals as well.
 
Also so we are clear, myocarditis is primarily a young person disease effecting mainly those in the 20-40 age range. So it’s no surprise that there are more cases in the younger population of vaccinated individuals as well.

Normal, coincidence , unrelated, safe and effective 🙄

 
Do you have any skepticism at all on the safety of the
Do you have any skepticism at all on the safety of the vaccines?

Will it be normal, coincidence, unrelated and safe and effective when 8 and 10 year olds clot up? 🤔

Seriously, get a tube of the horse paste.

When the kid comes home from school with a sniffle , give them a dab and everyone in the household too, vaxed or not. Consider to be on imask protocol
 
Look guys if someone dies tragically before the Covid vaccine, it was gods plan. If they die after the vaccine then the vaccine caused it.
 
The only thing I’m coming around to is that my 50k death and 1m injury is probably too conservative

I don’t understand what you are posting. They requested more info from someone who submitted a report? And you think 50k are dying caused by the vaccine? I think the horse paste is messing with your brain dude. Are you snorting it?
 
Every few years, Bostonknight pollutes the Cooler with some insane conspiracy theory. Looks like this is his latest turd.
 
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No. I have more skepticism smearing horse paste on my kids.
No concerns whatsoever about experimental technology coming from one company that has never brought a safe product to market and one company that has been subject to dozens of wrongful death lawsuits?
 
No concerns whatsoever about experimental technology coming from one company that has never brought a safe product to market and one company that has been subject to dozens of wrongful death lawsuits?
No. It’s not an experimental technology. It’s been around for a decade and been through human clinical trials for safety prior to Covid.
 
What other mRNA vaccines have been approved?
Approved? None. But that’s only because the virus strains they were developed for (pandemic potential influenza strains) didn’t become full fledged pandemics and thus they weren’t necessary. But they still underwent human clinical trials.
 
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Approved? None. But that’s only because the virus strains they were developed for (pandemic potential influenza strains) didn’t become full fledged pandemics and thus they weren’t necessary. But they still underwent human clinical trials.
Well I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it's pretty sketchy to use a technology that has never been used and have 200 million people receive the product of it. To me, it seems like a road that might not be worth the risk but I'll probably end up being wrong.
 
Well I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it's pretty sketchy to use a technology that has never been used and have 200 million people receive the product of it. To me, it seems like a road that might not be worth the risk but I'll probably end up being wrong.
It has been used. In clinical trials dating back to at least 2015. And for this particular vaccine in massive clinical trials with hundreds of thousands of people taking place since early last year.
 
It has been used. In clinical trials dating back to at least 2015. And for this particular vaccine in massive clinical trials with hundreds of thousands of people taking place since early last year.
Clinical trials for what?
 
Clinical trials for what?
mRNA vaccines have been used in clinical trials dating back to 2015 for H10N8 and H7N9 influenza strains. This was in preparation for a potential pandemic. mRNA vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 began trials in mid March 2020.
 
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Look guys if someone dies tragically before the Covid vaccine, it was gods plan. If they die after the vaccine then the vaccine caused it.
I think you’re wasting your time. @Boston.Knight is a good dude, but he’s trolling big time. I need to see some concrete evidence about his theories and not what’s basically hearsay
 
Well I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree. I think it's pretty sketchy to use a technology that has never been used and have 200 million people receive the product of it. To me, it seems like a road that might not be worth the risk but I'll probably end up being wrong.
Without writing a 10 paragraph @UCFBS dissertation, you have to remember that this is a vaccine and not a medication. It’s not like it’s effecting the DNA at the cellular level and is not carcinogenic.


None of the vaccines interact with or alter your DNA in any way, and therefore cannot cause cancer.

“Messenger RNA (mRNA) is not the same as DNA and cannot be combined with DNA to change your genetic code. Here’s now mRNA vaccines actually work:

The mRNA vaccines use a tiny piece of the coronavirus’ genetic code to teach your immune system how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response if you get infected. The mRNA is fragile, so after it delivers the instructions to your cells, it breaks down and disappears from the body (in about 72 hours). The mRNA never even goes into the nucleus of the cell — the part that contains your DNA.

Therefore, there is no truth to the myth that somehow the mRNA vaccine could inactivate the genes that suppress tumors”

The protein breaks down quite rapidly and it just doesn’t make sense that it would cause some of the diseases that @Boston.Knight claims. It just doesn’t work that way.
 
Without writing a 10 paragraph @UCFBS dissertation, you have to remember that this is a vaccine and not a medication. It’s not like it’s effecting the DNA at the cellular level and is not carcinogenic.


None of the vaccines interact with or alter your DNA in any way, and therefore cannot cause cancer.

“Messenger RNA (mRNA) is not the same as DNA and cannot be combined with DNA to change your genetic code. Here’s now mRNA vaccines actually work:

The mRNA vaccines use a tiny piece of the coronavirus’ genetic code to teach your immune system how to make a protein that will trigger an immune response if you get infected. The mRNA is fragile, so after it delivers the instructions to your cells, it breaks down and disappears from the body (in about 72 hours). The mRNA never even goes into the nucleus of the cell — the part that contains your DNA.

Therefore, there is no truth to the myth that somehow the mRNA vaccine could inactivate the genes that suppress tumors”

The protein breaks down quite rapidly and it just doesn’t make sense that it would cause some of the diseases that @Boston.Knight claims. It just doesn’t work that way.
I'm aware that it doesn't affect our DNA. That is not my concern.
 
Other than PEG, I like mRNA over adeneno vector like J&J and even novovax protein vax

The problem with the vaxes are the payload i.e. the spikes . I’ve read four different papers on stuff like this. These aren’t fringe guys either. They always conclude soft or will get defunded, you need to read between the lines

I plan to get mother in law and wife off spike at the earliest opportunity

 
No. It’s not an experimental technology. It’s been around for a decade and been through human clinical trials for safety prior to Covid.
If not 'experimental,' then why hasn't a single mRNA type vaccine received US FDA approval to date? Why didn't the influenza mRNA make it to market? Why not any others either?!

Stop over-stating the realities and let the skeptics be heard. Yes, some are wrong, but many are not. They are selectively authorized under 'Emergency Use,' that's it. If a pandemic wasn't going on, they wouldn't be. Seriously, counter-deniers are just as bad as SARS-CoV-2 deniers.

At least Adenovirus type vaccines have at least Truvada, but it's far from perfect. There isn't a 'silver bullet' in any of these technologies. They are all new and should be considered experimental.

*None* are proven with decades of data. I'm really tired of people rushing headlong into a state-driven control argument.
 
Other than PEG, I like mRNA over adeneno vector like J&J and even novovax protein vax

The problem with the vaxes are the payload i.e. the spikes . I’ve read four different papers on stuff like this. These aren’t fringe guys either. They always conclude soft or will get defunded, you need to read between the lines

I plan to get mother in law and wife off spike at the earliest opportunity

We really are ignorant of not just these SARS variants, but coronaviruses. 5 years from now there will be a reckoning, and likely a new age of skeptics.

Especially in countries that used this pandemic to track its citizens. Hopefully we won't be one of them... hopefully, although some states very much do already.

In any case, I knew I was taking a risk in getting any vaccine. But I'm the first one to defend anyone's right not to get any vaccine, or to avoid certain ones.

As always, we shall see.
 
mRNA vaccines have been used in clinical trials dating back to 2015 for H10N8 and H7N9 influenza strains.
Did you actually read the results?!?!?!

Geez! I cannot believe you stated that without reading up!

Not only did the mRNA influenza vaccines have a lower efficacy than the existing flu vaccines, but the serious side effects showing up 18+ months after the studies are still of concern.

There are major reasons the mRNA influenza vaccines had 'major concerns' (to quote regulators) and were considered quite immature and a great example of how we are still in our infancy with mRNA!

Geez, do your homework before you say something like that!

No one, and I mean no one, is using those studies to defend the mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines which have a much higher efficacy and fewer, immediate side effects, compared to the influenza trials.

They influenza trials only proved how we don't know jack about mRNA at this time! The mRNA influenza trials were considered failures!!!
 
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Look guys if someone dies tragically before the Covid vaccine, it was gods plan. If they die after the vaccine then the vaccine caused it.
No, its a combination of generics with vascular fitness. That's what HCoV-OC43 was 100+ years ago.

That's why it was still the #1 respiratory killer of the elderly before SARS-CoV-2, even though it's primary genetic susceptibility was weeded out a century ago.

You know HCoV-OC43 as the common cold.i Kids without any symptoms or even infection spread it to elderly too.

Coronaviruses aren't complicated to understand.
 
BTW, on Spike proteins and vaccines, I found this article a good intro.



I honestly think we'll find some people have risk factors, and develop basic tests for them. But I don't think is one.
 
BTW, on Spike proteins and vaccines, I found this article a good intro.



I honestly think we'll find some people have risk factors, and develop basic tests for them. But I don't think is one.

Another "no evidence" conclusion. :rolleyes: I don't know if the spikes are bio active. I hope one jab isn't going to matter much.

I think spike shedding is nonsense - at least intuitively it does not pass the sniff test. Somebody breathing on you is causing menstrual issues? Sorry, I need a bit more to believe that.

On the other hand, if you want to hear a different opinion on cov2 bioweapon, follow this Walter guy. He is some sort of scientist that provides a lot of believable scientific data on bioweapon angle.

 
Another "no evidence" conclusion. :rolleyes: I don't know if the spikes are bio active. I hope one jab isn't going to matter much.

I think spike shedding is nonsense - at least intuitively it does not pass the sniff test. Somebody breathing on you is causing menstrual issues? Sorry, I need a bit more to believe that.

On the other hand, if you want to hear a different opinion on cov2 bioweapon, follow this Walter guy. He is some sort of scientist that provides a lot of believable scientific data on bioweapon angle.

It is more likely that this virus is a result of gain of function testing than any other origin.
 
It is more likely that this virus is a result of gain of function testing than any other origin.

Peter Dasak is on a podcast where he basically describes developing synthetic viruses in Wuhan that sound just like cov2 . Many people believe the escape happened with his research, which was funded by NIH.

Here is a great (long) read summary. It captures all the info out there today.

 
I know snowflake Boston has me on ignore but whatevs:

I’m not a Berenson fan but, since you linked the Atlantic, I decided to read it and then dig into the links. The author of this article has misrepresented some of Berenson’s posts badly to try to smear him. I think Berenson provides enough material to address honestly without going to misrepresentation.

For example, the author says “He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.”

Here’s Berenson’s tweet:

And here is the finding in the actual scientific research: “Of those with laboratory changes, the largest changes were decreases in the lymphocyte count after the first dose in 8.3% (1 out of 12), 45.5% (5 out of 11) and 50.0% (6 out of 12) of participants who received 10 μg, 30 μg and 100 μg BNT162b1, respectively. One participant each in the 10-μg (8.3% (1 out of 12)) and 30-μg (9.1% (1 out of 11)) groups and 4 participants in the 100-μg group (33.3% (4 out of 12)) had grade 3 decreases in the lymphocyte count. These decreases in lymphocyte count after the first dose were transient and returned to normal 6–8 days after vaccination
 
I’m not a Berenson fan but, since you linked the Atlantic, I decided to read it and then dig into the links. The author of this article has misrepresented some of Berenson’s posts badly to try to smear him. I think Berenson provides enough material to address honestly without going to misrepresentation.

For example, the author says “He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.”

Here’s Berenson’s tweet:

And here is the finding in the actual scientific research: “Of those with laboratory changes, the largest changes were decreases in the lymphocyte count after the first dose in 8.3% (1 out of 12), 45.5% (5 out of 11) and 50.0% (6 out of 12) of participants who received 10 μg, 30 μg and 100 μg BNT162b1, respectively. One participant each in the 10-μg (8.3% (1 out of 12)) and 30-μg (9.1% (1 out of 11)) groups and 4 participants in the 100-μg group (33.3% (4 out of 12)) had grade 3 decreases in the lymphocyte count. These decreases in lymphocyte count after the first dose were transient and returned to normal 6–8 days after vaccination
The point is that he's no different than the other talking heads out there (wrong more than they are right) and that in today's world of folks picking the narrative that they want and running with it, he runs parallel to the best of them.

Smear job? Perhaps. He hasn't exactly helped himself, however.
 
The point is that he's no different than the other talking heads out there (wrong more than they are right) and that in today's world of folks picking the narrative that they want and running with it, he runs parallel to the best of them.

Smear job? Perhaps. He hasn't exactly helped himself, however.
Maybe no different. He does seem to look for sources to support his theories which I think makes him somewhat different. But as for how accurate he is as he is twitter-streaming his consciousness, I'm sure he hits and misses.
 
If not 'experimental,' then why hasn't a single mRNA type vaccine received US FDA approval to date? Why didn't the influenza mRNA make it to market? Why not any others either?!
Previous influenza variants for which mRNA vaccines were developed did not turn into pandemics. So there was no need to market a vaccine to prevent an illness that isn’t circulating in the population. Why have’t the Covid mRNAs been approved via the normal process rather than EUA? Simply because of time since conclusion of the human clinical trial. Pfizer is currently submitting application for full FDA approval and that will likely come very soon.
 
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Just spoke with my tax guy

He asked “you’re not getting the vaccine right?”

I told him that I got it

He said “my doctor told me not to get it. It hasn’t been studied. It will most likely kill me. I can show you some YouTube videos that are frightening.”

Joe, “the only co-morbidities that you have are that you are a fat slob and a couch potato. Aren’t you afraid to get COVID?”

He said, “I won’t get it. It’s a big conspiracy.”

I said, “Trump got the vaccine.”

He said, “Trump got a different vaccine, not one of those 4.

Oh boy!
 
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Just spoke with my tax guy

He asked “you’re not getting the vaccine right?”

I told him that I got it

He said “my doctor told me not to get it. It hasn’t been studied. It will most likely kill me. I can show you some YouTube videos that are frightening.”

Joe, “the only co-morbidities that you have are that you are a fat slob and a couch potato. Aren’t you afraid to get COVID?”

He said, “I won’t get it. It’s a big conspiracy.”

I said, “Trump got the vaccine.”

He said, “Trump got a different vaccine, not one of those 4.

Oh boy!
Trump didn't get the vaccine. He got a saline injection.
 
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