They being coaches should, but to say they ALWAYS do...No.
So... do we still think that these coaches who make millions of dollars know more about football....
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Exactly. The defensive coach at least tries to adjust. The offensive coach is stubborn
Heupel refuses to use our speed to our advantage for mismatches. Heupel refuses to put a proven established player in a position to succeed.
He's trying to reinvent the wheel!
The team is built around speed!
Pay attention to who wasn't utilized for LSU,PITT and Cincy losses.
He's trying to reinvent the wheel!
The team is built around speed!
Pay attention to who wasn't utilized for LSU,PITT and Cincy losses.
Try just posting with your original account. This is just unnecessary.
No this new poster is not me
I think after well over 100 posts on this subject,
coaching stubbornness, ego, flaws in offensive philosophy, adaptability, and the ability to make adjustments are at least arguable points
I think after well over 100 posts on this subject,
coaching stubbornness, ego, flaws in offensive philosophy, adaptability, and the ability to make adjustments are at least arguable points
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Maybe...just MAYBE the players didn't execute what the coaches wanted them to?!?!?
Example 1 (O-Line): Yes, the O-Line did seem confused early in the game when Cincy threw an unexpected front 7 scheme at them. Later in the game, they seemed to be better at picking up the defenders, but throughout the game they were frequently getting beat man on man (an entirely separate issue that is not on the coaches).
Example 2: People complain that Heuple's offense is too much long bombs in the passing game (usually people who are just regurgitating what they have read without actually looking at facts.) Yet in the Cincy game, there were a number of intermediate routes where the WR was open and the QB just missed him. Simple as that.
So to say that the "same BS" was repeated against Cincy compared to Pitt is simply not true. Heuple did change the offenseive calls based on the different way Cinci was defending us as compared to the way Pitt was defending us.
IMO, he was outcoached in both games by the DC. Simple as that
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This tells me right here that you didn’t watch the game
This has already been discussed. Even the announcers mentioned it
Yea...like announcers always say the most brilliant things! How many times have we talked about announcers saying absolutely stupid things throughout a game. Here is what happened, UCF's O-line blew several assignments late in the game and the announcers defaulted to their early game schtick where they were talking about the unusual defensive alignment causing problems. But here is the same point again since you don't seem to get it. You keep saying the coaches did not adjust. How do you know the coaches didn't revise the scheme to address the issue and the layers simply did not execute?
There are three possible reasons for the O-Line failures to pick up all the defenders:
1. Coaches did not make adjustment.
2. Coaches made adjustment but O-line did not make the right calls pre-snap
3. Coaches made adjustment and O-line had correct calls pre-snap, but one or more players did not execute properly.
The problem I have with your "expert" analysis is you have no idea which of these was the biggest problem. All you know is the final result you saw, so you automatically default to ASSUME the coaches are not making adjustments.
I watch the whole game and the coaches didn’t have the correct offensive game plan, adjust to what the defense was doing, have the right personnel, and have the offensive line ready
2 losses in a similar fashion
Period
As pointed out the losses were similar and very well could happen again. It's a combination of issues, but in the end with this offensive scheme and if Gabriel is not playing lights out in terms of hitting long passes any decent team can become a challenge/loss.
Some people just can’t see it, but I guess that’s why we have message board debates
It is the coaches responsibility to get the team prepared and motivated......if the players didn't execute they were not put in a position to.....the bottom line this is on the coaches and it nauseates me when CJH just gives his standard weak coach speak answers.........
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Sometimes I think when you pay people too much money they think they proportionally smarter than the average person. Scientists, physicists, doctors, etc....sure...but coaches? Sometimes the most value a coach has is as a motivator.
Good for him admitting that. Now what is he going to do about it?
My main point is that he’s appearing to be really stubborn
That’s a big coaching flaw. Not being able to see your mistakes, learning from them and fixing them
Adaptability and adjustments
He’s failed at it thus far IMO, but he can still do better. It’s not too late
Not if we don't improve. Since the Pitt game teams now see our vulnerabilities...mostly a immobile freshmen QB with an OL incapable of protecting him in the pocket consistently.
I agree. The Pitt and Cinci games were his first big tests.
The gifs that Money posted are eye opening, the O line was getting embarrassed on every play.....and our coaches could not do a damn thing about it, that is what is so discouraging......
I thought this was supposed to be our best line? What went wrong? It looks like we are missing some players for depth
I'm not concerned about anything. I'm responding to your wording because that is how this works. If you have some meaning other than the words you use you'll have to explain.
Nope, but you agree if the team struggles with deep passes and loses because the opposing team is able to force quick 3 and outs and interceptions there is a pattern and a lack of adjustment made by the staff?
Our best OL's were obviously 2007, 2013, 2017, and 2018. What went wrong this year is they just are not as good. Blame players....blame coaches...blame whatever you want.
I don't know what delusional football fans thought a team with a true freshman QB, three new starting OL, and basically an entirely new front 7 on defense thought we were going to run the table. We can still finish with a good or great record but on paper it looked like a long shot for me. That is why I had this team pegged for 8-10 wins.
These were the OL depth charts at the beginning of each season (obviously due to need or injury this changed during the season):
2016: Evans, Hudanick, Rae, Dickey, Miller (true freshman QB)
2017: Evans, Hudanick, Johnson, Dickey, Miller (one change; the entire starting unit basically came back; It's no wonder we gelled so well + QB played at elite level)
2018: Miller, Hudanick, Johnson, Schneider, McMullen (two new starters....they still gelled for whatever reason + QB played at elite level; all the backups except 1 were upperclassmen)
2019: Jackson, Schneider, Johnson, Boudreaux, Brown (three new starters; the core of 2017 and 2018 are gone + true freshman QB; What happened to McMullen and Swanson???....they both should have been in the mix this season?; Our backups this year are: RS So, RS Fr, Fr, RS So, Fr, RS Sr (Elbert....who never was a starter in his whole career)
In 2018 we lost 20 players on the 2-deep to graduation or leaving early.
In 2019 it looks like we will have only 9 guys graduate + if anybody leaves early. When I first looked at the depth chart I said to myself, "Wow. This is a surprisingly younger, inexperienced team this season." Not even I realized how many contributing guys graduated.
I think he fumbled in every game he started, right? Not to say it’s a permanent condition, but it was more than ECU.
I have no answer. I wonder this myself. We need to use our RB's more in space. I also don't know why we don't attack the middle of the field with the TE either....maybe because they are having to be used more in protection/blocking???
Otis has 10 catches for 107 yds. ~10 yds per catch
Killins has 5 catches for 102 yds. ~20 yds per catch
McCrae has 4 catches for 16 yds. 4 yds per catch
Hescock has 8 catches for 67 yds. ~8.5 yds per catch
As a group they are averaging ~11 yds per reception.
Just as areference, the WR unit as a whole is averaging ~17.5 yds per reception.
Gabriel is 99/166, which means only 27/99 completions have gone to the entire RB/TE unit. The stats don't show how many "targets" were made to these units, to see how efficient those throws have been. That's ~27% of all completions. Seems to me using those units more often shouId actually loosen up the entire defense even more as they are forced to defend the entire field.
Short memories, right? I mean ... people are so thinking DG isn't good, they utterly forget all of the other issues we've had with QBs.
Sigh ... we had 6 redzone trips people! It's just redzone execution. We improve that, we win Could it be better beyond that? Sure. But DG drives the field. He'll get better.
Best freshman QB pocket passer we've ever had if you ask me.
The only basis you have for saying that is ONE thing...some of the plays that we ran did not have the result you wanted.
You have ZERO information on what the players at any position were told in practice leading up to the game.
You have ZERO information on what the players at any position were told during any of UCF's time while the offense was off the field.
You have ZERO information on what specific passing plays were actually called, unless you have access to UCF's playbook.
I have seen people complain that all of our passes are bubble screens, short comeback routes or long bombs, completely ignoring that there were several intermediate range passes that were open and DG just missed the receiver.
I have seen people complain that Gabe Davis is targeted on too many of the passing plays. How do you know GD was the primary receiver on those plays. Maybe DG is just more comfortable throwing to him even if he is not the primary receiver on a play.
The problem I have with all the complaints is that you literally only have, at most, 20% of the information needed to accurately assess the situation.
