Other than to appease people who want an answer before bed time there's no reason for concession or victory speeches. Just count the damn votes. If this is inconvenient then let's step up our counting efforts.
So who is willing to accept
- Thread starter cnsaguy
- Start date
There's no reason to play games when the outcome is still in doubt. On the other hand, we've been dealing with states being called for one candidate or another based on projections for our entire lives.
Depending on the outcome of battleground races in North Carolina, Ohio, Georgia, Florida, and Texas where the results should be known relatively early in the evening, if Biden gets the nod in one or more of those states, we'll know the outcome. In that scenario, there'd be little reason why Joe shouldn't come out and state the obvious.
No I didn't. But if Trump no longer has a legitimate shot at reelection, why not say so?
If the a couple of the early states (e.g. North Carolina, Georgia, Florida) go Biden's way, he shouldn't come out and state the obvious?
Does the same apply for Trump? Say he wins Virginia. Should he go ahead and declare victory?
WHy should he declare victory for winning 1 state? Nobody should be declaring victory until 270 EC votes is reached, this isn't a difficult concept.
Tell shuckster. He's the one that said if Biden wins North Carolina he may as well declare victory.
He listed 3 states, not one, and those states would likely put him over 270, unless something crazy happens in NY and California, etc. But he shouldnt declare victory for those states alone obviously.
Democrats’ early voting lead in Florida evaporates in first few hours of Election Day voting - Washington Examiner
Republican voters have already taken out a significant chunk of the Democratic early voting lead just a few hours into Election Day voting. “Republicans in Florida outvoted Democrats by 20k votes as of 7:20 AM…. and the panhandle isn’t even open yet,” author Ryan James Girdusky noted on Twitter...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Trump has already won Florida. Biden made the same mistake as Hillary.
Don't put words in my mouth. I said if he wins A COUPLE of the battle ground states that are 'must wins' for Trump.
Anyway, as in every other previous election, nothing is declared until enough states are called that the magical 270 EC threshold has been reached.
No votes are being reported yet. Just because you are registered in a party, doesnt mean you have to vote for that party. Trump may win Florida, but it will be close as usual, but I have seen several people on twitter saying the same thing, and at this point there is no way to know who is actually winning.
Okie dokie. I also said a couple a post later.
Anyhoo, if Biden wins North Carolina or Georgia or Florida, you really believe that Trump still wins reelection?
Georgia or Florida, no. North Carolina, yes. If Biden wins either of the first 2 its pretty clear where things are going and I wouldn't have a problem with him declaring victory. Same goes for Trump with Virginia. That would be the kind of bellwether that predicts the whole thing. I guess the real question is if you're ok with either candidate declaring victory before they get to 270.
I'm clearly slow in the head. What is the benefit of declaring victory before 270 is reached?
There is none. I think people are worried Trump will do it just so he can claim it was rigged, if he does end up losing once everything is settled.
Not sure what they gave him, but odds arent predictions. 70% chance for Biden still means a 30% chance for Trump. But, Florida is way more important Trump than Biden. The Rust Belt states are where it is going to be decided.
They ran 100 simulations on some model and Biden won 69 of them so they said he had a 69% chance of winning.
538 is an excellent site for detailed, qualitative information.
But they bomb way, way too much on quantitative analysis.
I dont know where this is coming from. Not a single swing state has been called. At this point we have no clue who is going to win.
Ninja bests the biggest Progressive hypocrites on TV. He literally will argue himself into a circle ... until he's alone in it. Then he goes on 6 months trying to instigate anything he can, while we all either laugh at him, or select people finally tell him to STFU already, because his original point was pretty weak anyway.
Ahhh yes, what the Progressives are now clinging to. Sigh ...
If Trump lost, and didn't concede, you'd have a crapload of Libertarians and Moderates, and even a majority of Republicans, forcing him to. There are not that many, a small minority, that defend him without waiver.
Even my parents who support Trump are exceeding critical of his ignorance and lies at times, and wish he'd stop. They realize if he did, then the hypocrisy of the left would have more backlash than it already does, and Trump would get even more support.
They are the types that would be the majority that would force him to concede, if he lost. At some point, a 3%+ difference or so couldn't be explained by fraud or other non-sense, and there's no way a large county/district could do so without at least some whistle blowing.
No, there's a lot left to count still. But damn, the US Media got it wrong, dead wrong, so far! Wow!
No they dont, you are doing exactly what we talked about earlier. Declaring victory before any significant results are in.
This very easily could come down to Pa. If that is the case we won't know who is next prez before Thursday or Friday.
Well, based on Trump's utterly unhinged 0230 speech, he is not willing to accept the results.
Anyone watch that? Tell me it wasn't textbook dictator/authoritarian. He literally said they won't count votes, and that he won.
Wtf is wrong with you people?
Anyone watch that? Tell me it wasn't textbook dictator/authoritarian. He literally said they won't count votes, and that he won.
Wtf is wrong with you people?
Sounds like Al Gore to me. Or the entire democratic party after 2016. In the end, if states flip for Biden, he will step down and Harris will be the new Prez in waiting.
Gore wanted votes counted in Florida, it was the GOP that didnt. So it sounds just the opposite of Gore.
Just shut the fuk up.
Please.
You are the dumbest dipshit on a board filled with inbred slack jawed dirt eating morons.
Sanders nailed it with this prediction.
Sanders predicted how Trump could attempt to use this to his advantage:
Sanders predicted how Trump could attempt to use this to his advantage:
Trump didn’t make his declaration at 10 p.m. Tuesday — but he did use a press conference in the White House in the early hours of Wednesday to falsely claim victory over Democratic nominee Joe Biden, even though millions of votes remain uncounted and no reputable organization called the winner of the election.
There's gonna be a ton of post mortem here, but we've basically repeated the 2016 polling errors, in the same direction, and probably worse. Clearly there's a systemic error in polling Trump support.
But also recognize the utility of something like 538's model. We're trending towards a ~4% Biden popular vote win and a squeaker in the electoral college. Not the nominal outcome but certainly within the range of reasonable outcomes.
So in an era when polling is having this hard a time capturing the electorate, those uncertainty estimates are especially useful.
Similar threads
