Stand back and stand by.....???
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Daryl Davis: the black musician who converts Ku Klux Klan members
After an encounter with a KKK member in the 1980s, the accomplished pianist turned his focus to curing racism through education
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this is who you pedophiles are calling "white supremacists" and hence why the meaning of the word has been completely diminished 🤣
The question Trump was asked was about generic white supremacists.
this is who you pedophiles are calling "white supremacists" and hence why the meaning of the word has been completely diminished 🤣
Trump brought up proud boys by name.
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PRESIDENT TRUMP: what do you want to call them, give me a name, go ahead, who would you like me to condemn
WALLACE: white supremac-- (interrupted by Biden)
BIDEN: PROUD BOYS 🤪
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Ok Nazi.
this is who you pedophiles are calling "white supremacists" and hence why the meaning of the word has been completely diminished 🤣
I am an Independent... Trump lost the debate..He has a chance to come back. Biden is stronger when not reading notes...I didn't know Hunter had a drug problem. Biben handled that well. Family problems need to be kept out..
Not until you find a job.
He never answered the Question....Also, his own FBI agent said Antifa is an idea, not an organization. It's easy..Say Yes or No. Plus the FBI is watching Right-wing Supremacy groups for violence.
He can do no wrong - he is their svengali.
People dying and out of work, violent racists groups in America that Trump sends dog whistles to.
It was a false premise. Trump has denounced white supremacists and white supremacy groups all along. Even in the very speech about Charlottesville that so many use. And then a number of times thereafter. Even after so many simply ignore those denunciations, Trump did say he was willing to denounce the groups before Wallace strayed in bringing up Kenosha and Portland. I get that you’re all still hot on painting him as in bed with every evil the world has ever produced, but damn at least be a little bit honest.
And to be perfectly honest, there was only one person on that stage that actively advocated for segregationist policies in the US Senate. Sure, he apologized recently when it was convenient, but it was the Democratic candidate who once said "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We have got to make some move on this” as he opposes both voluntary and court-ordered integration of schools along with avowed segregationists. And let’s not ignore the comments that he’s said along the way, including those about President Obama, that show that he never really left that past.
In the year 2020 where we cancel people for statements made, no matter how old, and critical race theory is telling us that racist white people will never be anything but racist white people, why is it that Joe Biden gets an unmitigated pass on all of this while Trump has entire parts of his speeches ignored in order to paint him as the racist candidate?
How can you not know at this point that Hunter was kicked out of the Navy Reserve for failing a piss test for cocaine. A setback which was followed up nearly immediately by him joining the board of Burisma.
While he has addressed it before. He needs to say it again on TV...Many first time voters are watching. It makes him seem like he is catering to those groups.
Here’s something else you may not know. Hunter and his brother were in an auto accident that killed his mother and sister (Biden’s wife and daughter). He along with his brother were serving in the military when he was administratively discharged for failing a drug test. His brother was suffering from brain cancer at the time and later succumbed to it (in 2015). The Biden family has dealt with more tragedy than most other families. That’s not to say this makes Biden more fit to be President. But if you know the whole backstory it is a pretty low blow to go there.
I see where you’re coming from. Sure, I’ll buy that he could’ve been more clear on that.
*seconds prior in the video I linked
WALLACE: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group ...
PRESIDENT TRUMP: sure, I will do that
also
WALLACE: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group ...
PRESIDENT TRUMP: sure, I will do that
also
“Sure I will do that”*seconds prior in the video I linked
WALLACE: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group ...
PRESIDENT TRUMP: sure, I will do that
also
“Well then do it”
He also said he would give you a comprehensive plan for an ACA replacement. And that he would release his tax returns.
it doesn’t seem like it would be too hard for him to say something similar to what he said in your little transcript to the tens of millions of Americans watching the debate. If a trump condemns a white supremacist and nobody is there to hear it does it make a sound. No better platform to set the record straight than last night with a softball question and he shit the bed.
Its why I don't like Family being brought up. As long as that Family isn't running for office, or a part of the administration. You can find dirt on anyone..Just stay on topic. Honestly, They didn't mention their platforms.I am hoping the next election debate they will.
I understand he has denounced it in the past. He has to make himself clear. Just Say i denounce all-white Supremacist groups. This is TV he has to be bold and make himself clear. This way its done. No missed quotes*seconds prior in the video I linked
WALLACE: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group ...
PRESIDENT TRUMP: sure, I will do that
also
I think democrats are wrong to constantly try and apply race to everything. There are absolutely elements of race but it's far more complex than that. These extremist ideologies are modernizing. They're born out of the same ignorance and intolerance as they've always been, but the target of the hate is shifting. This is has always been my issue with calling Trump a "racist". It completely misses the problem.
The extreme right wing in America believes the left is the threat to traditional American values. Generally speaking, as long as you believe that, you can find a home in one of these modern extremist groups regardless of skin color. But the racism part is long baked into these movements, so there's plenty of evidence of it, so it's easy to pick it out, which the left does - and then the right points out why it's not racist (like a half black / half cuban founder).
This is what I think people tend not to see. Radical political movements are going to evolve over time to match the society in which they seek to thrive. Honestly, seeing these movements bend away from the overt racism is kind of scary. That was always the really easy barrier for just about everyone to condemn. The lack of overt racism gives these groups a great deal more runway to creep further into the mainstream of right wing politics.
The way the right uses "liberal" as a bad word nowadays creates a universal enemy that is race and gender neutral. You can have the same level of irrational hate for "liberals" as you might have for an ethnic group, without any of the social risk.
The left hasn't turned "conservative" into a dirty word. I think that's the single best example I can come up with regarding the difference in tone from left to right. If we call each other communists or fascists, at least that implies some level beyond the normal liberal/conservative divide.
So instead of blaming Jews or blacks or Mexicans for all of your problem, blame liberals. Radicalize recruits to hate liberals. Same ignorance. Same approach. But politically acceptable. That's my read on these groups.
I can agree with a lot of what you said but I cannot disagree more with this statement. From the very beginning in school where you're taught that conservatives are against change to the labeling of anyone expressing conservative views as neocon and then Trumpets, MAGAts, etc., conservatives have been vilified for decades. Now, it might all be hidden in calling them "the right" as in Vast Right Wing Conspiracy or all the strawman -ists of the right that are constantly used to portray conservatives as the moral evil in every discussion. But the people that you are trying to paint as empathetic and innocent have been labeling conservatives and minimizing them since before either of us was alive and always framed in a way that was socially acceptable to be on their side and unacceptable to be on the other side.
Look no further than what has happened when you wear a red hat in public in the last 4 years to see the exact converse of what you are trying to lay out.
I think conservatives are triggered and create enemies in order to stay energized. By definition, a conservative is a person who holds traditional values/attitudes and is averse to change. There are 2 forces, people who like things the way they are and the people who believe that we can do better.
That is the definition of conservative behavior but not the definition of the conservative political movement. That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
And as for making up enemies, that’s the pot calling the kettle black. Egregiously so.
Yep, we all know there's just as many crackpot liberal conspiracy theorists as there are wacko right-wing ones, right?*
Nah. Nothing wrong with conservatives. For clarification.
These are MAGAts/Trumpets
Then you have conservatives like James Mattis, Collin Powell, John McCain, Mitt Romney, etc.
Most MAGAts are conservative but being conservative doesn’t imply a MAGAt.
Hope it helps.
You know nothing about that couple in the picture yet you imply they are somehow deficient because they got dressed up for a rally? Not very reasonable or open-minded.Nah. Nothing wrong with conservatives. For clarification.
These are MAGAts/Trumpets
Then you have conservatives like James Mattis, Collin Powell, John McCain, Mitt Romney, etc.
Most MAGAts are conservative but being conservative doesn’t imply a MAGAt.
Hope it helps.
So you favor more centrist Republicans. That's good. But are you going to sit here and try to say that the left doesn't label and marginalize or vilify the right as a primary tactic?
Yep, we all know there's just as many crackpot liberal conspiracy theorists as there are wacko right-wing ones, right?*
I've posted this before, never got a good answer. Why are all the nut job conspiracy theories from right wing people?
Nah. Nothing wrong with conservatives. For clarification.
These are MAGAts/Trumpets
Then you have conservatives like James Mattis, Collin Powell, John McCain, Mitt Romney, etc.
Most MAGAts are conservative but being conservative doesn’t imply a MAGAt.
Hope it helps.
Yep. Conservative here, never voted for a D in my life before Trump hijacked the party and you inbred slack jawed dimwits went along with it.
No party wants you, just like how no woman wants you.
I’m not implying it. I’m flat out saying that people who cheerlead a politician and buy their merchandise are deficient when it comes to fairly evaluating our elected officials and holding their feet to the fire when they **** up. They view it as some sort of sport or game where they are rooting for a victory. When in fact we are all losing no matter who is elected.
A trumpet is a person whos identity is partially based on being a Trump cheerleader. This is a fault because it doesn’t allow for evaluations or criticisms no matter how legitimate they are. Because they internalize those criticisms and have to defend against them at all costs.
Did you feel the same when people were wearing the O campaign shirts or the Progress shirts or all of the other stuff that they wore at rallies? Or Bush? Or Reagan? Or is it just Trump?
Yep, we all know there's just as many crackpot liberal conspiracy theorists as there are wacko right-wing ones, right?*
> Russia
> "one day the parties switched"
I get that. I'll also say that it's been a non-stop attack against him since before he was sworn in and so even people who have a bunch of criticisms end up looking like Trumpets in some discussions.
You seem to imply that Trump sought to unify the country from the moment he won the election and those mean, nasty Democrats wouldn't allow our Uniter-in-Chief to do it.
Funny, I don't remember that.
Yes. Any politician. When a large number of people get into the mindset of this is my team and I’m rooting for them at all cost, that is dangerous. Trump or Obama, doesn’t matter. When majorities feel this way, the bounds of what is acceptable get pushed or broken. Because valid criticisms are harshly attacked because they become criticisms of that identity. It leads to nationalism and the development of the us vs them mentality that now runs rampant in this country. If everyone stepped back and realized that neither Obama or Trump are your friends or worth dying on a hill to defend we could realize that it’s just two sides to the same coin. The average liberal has a lot more in common with the average conservative than liberals have with Obama or conservatives have with Trump.
