The Biden Stimulus Bill

[DaShuckster]

...passed the House yesterday. This one will actually be voted upon by the Senate -- and likely approved on a 51 to 50 vote.

Like the Affordable Care Act back in the day, much will be made of the 'strictly partisan' vote that's to come in the Senate, despite the fact that a clear majority of Americans across the country (Democrats AND Republicans) support it.

But strictly partisan votes are the way it goes anymore. There is no such thing as an 'alternative plan laid out for the public to consider by the loyal opposition.' We're simply told by Congressional Republicans that the size of the bill is "too large" -- even though these same politicians gleefully approved a tax reduction plan for the same amount four years ago.

A true conservative perspective has vanished from today's political scene. Nowadays, it's dumbed down to "we're opposed to whatever those vile democrats propose" without giving the American People a thoughtful but more 'fiscally conservative' approach to consider. Instead of working to craft ANYTHING that could be considered in any real attempt at a compromise bill, the Republicans in Congress today are too busy down in Orlando kissing Trump's ring at CPAC.

Third stimulus check update: House passes coronavirus spending bill with $1,400 payments. Here’s the latest. - nj.com

 

[OLearyLastCall]

One party cares about struggling Americans. The other has people screaming into microphones at CPAC among friends that were also at a white nationalist conference this weekend and not doing their job.

 

[Crazyhole]

Wall Street loves this bill.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Are you forgetting Republicans tried getting more money passed a few months ago and Democrats voted it down?

 

[Crazyhole]

McCarthy Floor Speech on Pelosi's Payoff Bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw52J6vH7Tw&feature=emb_title Leader Kevin McCarthy's Floor speech Pelosi's Payoff Bill, Democrats' costly, corrupt, and liberal spending package.

www.republicanleader.gov

Yes, it's Kevin Mccarthy but everybody should watch his speech because he lays out a lot of problems with the bill.

 

[Crazyhole]

Why do federal employees get 21,000 bucks but the average American only gets 1400? Why is there money for schools to reopen but they don't get it until 2023? What does a subway system in silicon Valley have to do with covid relief?

 

[goodknightfl]

Bill likely has 750 billion to 1 trillion of useful covid stimulus $$ and 900 billion to 1.25 trillion of garbage.

 

[DaShuckster]

Why do federal employees get 21,000 bucks but the average American only gets 1400? Why is there money for schools to reopen but they don't get it until 2023? What does a subway system in silicon Valley have to do with covid relief?

Those are very valid questions. Back in the 'good ole days' the two-sides in Congress would have worked together to compromise on a bill that would have addressed the problem facing the country with neither side getting what they wanted -- an approach that has served this country well over the years.

But nowadays the so-called 'Conservatives' in Congress would rather take their ball and go home than actually do their jobs. I have absolutely no doubt that the bill that's going to be passed to help people has a whole bunch of pork in it. But I also have no doubt that if McConnell was still Majority Leader in the Senate, the Republican alternative was no bill at all.

 

[sk8knight]

Why do federal employees get 21,000 bucks but the average American only gets 1400? Why is there money for schools to reopen but they don't get it until 2023? What does a subway system in silicon Valley have to do with covid relief?

All hail our mighty government rulers! Fitting that the same people that constantly spew Democracy! And Equality/Equity! take their first chance in years and use it to enrich their own government cronies.

 

[Crazyhole]

Those are very valid questions. Back in the 'good ole days' the two-sides in Congress would have worked together to compromise on a bill that would have addressed the problem facing the country with neither side getting what they wanted -- an approach that has served this country well over the years.

But nowadays the so-called 'Conservatives' in Congress would rather take their ball and go home than actually do their jobs. I have absolutely no doubt that the bill that's going to be passed to help people has a whole bunch of pork in it. But I also have no doubt that if McConnell was still Majority Leader in the Senate, the Republican alternative was no bill at all.

Take their ball and go home? Lol, the democrats know they don't need a single republican vote so they have no motivation to negotiate. This bill sucks, 100% of democrats will vote for it, and somehow you still think it's the fault of Republicans. Sheesh man.

 

[DaShuckster]

This bill sucks, 100% of democrats will vote for it, and somehow you still think it's the fault of Republicans. Sheesh man.

The bill doesn't suck. But it could have been better. You're delusional if you honestly believe Biden wouldn't have given something for a bipartisan bill.

 

[Crazyhole]

The bill doesn't suck. But it could have been better. You're delusional if you honestly believe Biden wouldn't have given something for a bipartisan bill.

Which republican included 21,000 bucks for federal employees to stay home for 3 months to babysit their children? Which republican included millions for a subway tunnel in silicon Valley? Which republican was able to keep the individual payments down to 1400 instead of 2000 or 10,000? Which republican included bailing out pension funds to prop up Wall Street?

This is a Democrat bill and it shows everyone exactly what their priorities are. You may not like it, but this is your party and you defend them. Sorry bud, you're on the wrong side with this bill.

 

[Cubs79]

Which republican included 21,000 bucks for federal employees to stay home for 3 months to babysit their children? Which republican included millions for a subway tunnel in silicon Valley? Which republican was able to keep the individual payments down to 1400 instead of 2000 or 10,000? Which republican included bailing out pension funds to prop up Wall Street?

This is a Democrat bill and it shows everyone exactly what their priorities are. You may not like it, but this is your party and you defend them. Sorry bud, you're on the wrong side with this bill.

THe bill doesnt give $21k to federal workers. It's gives leave time equal to that amount for some workers, but it isnt a $21k payment. McCarthy completely misrepresented that.

 

[Crazyhole]

THe bill doesnt give $21k to federal workers. It's gives leave time equal to that amount for some workers, but it isnt a $21k payment. McCarthy completely misrepresented that.

1400 bucks a week for 15 weeks= 21000 dollars. Why doesn't that include non federal employees?

 

[Cubs79]

1400 bucks a week for 15 weeks= 21000 dollars. Why doesn't that include non federal employees?

Unemployment extension is in the bill, so it does include that. The federal government can't mandate leave for private companies.

 

[Crazyhole]

Unemployment extension is in the bill, so it does include that.

Oh. So a person has to quit their job, continue through the rigamaroll of filing paperwork proving they have applied for a job, only to get 600 bucks a week. And that is the equivalent of 1400 bucks unconditionally how exactly?

Just admit this is a shit provision in the bill and save yourself some credibility.

 

[Cubs79]

Oh. So a person has to quit their job, continue through the rigamaroll of filing paperwork proving they have applied for a job, only to get 600 bucks a week. And that is the equivalent of 1400 bucks unconditionally how exactly?

Just admit this is a shit provision in the bill and save yourself some credibility.

It doesnt give $1400 a week, that is simply not what the bill does. Its provides leave to people. And you are acting as if this is the entire bill and there arent numerous things for non federal employees.

Unemployment isnt 600 bucks a weeks. The bill has $400 extra a week plus the normal amount. You are just eating up what McCarthy is saying without actually looking at the bill. Like always, you are welcome to disagree with things, but disagree with the actual bill, not things that McCarthy is completely misrepresenting. There are also PPP loans available that are supposed to assist with people who need to take time off. If you want the federal government to mandate leave for employees at private companies then i am pretty sure Republicans would spit all over you.

 

[Crazyhole]

It doesnt give $1400 a week, that is simply not what the bill does. Its provides leave to people. And you are acting as if this is the entire bill and there arent numerous things for non federal employees.

Unemployment isnt 600 bucks a weeks. The bill has $400 extra a week plus the normal amount. You are just eating up what McCarthy is saying without actually looking at the bill. Like always, you are welcome to disagree with things, but disagree with the actual bill, not things that McCarthy is completely misrepresenting. There are also PPP loans available that are supposed to assist with people who need to take time off. If you want the federal government to mandate leave for employees at private companies then i am pretty sure Republicans would spit all over you.

So the whole 1400 dollars a week for 15 weeks is a lie?

 

[Cubs79]

So the whole 1400 dollars a week for 15 weeks is a lie?

Dude, it is leave time. It is for people who have used up all their leave likely dealing with the coronavirus in some form or another, to still have the ability to take off if they need to. THe vast majority of federal workers wont even qualify for it. It is not a direct check like you are acting. It is so if your postal worker gets corona but has no leave left, they can still take time off, or if their spouse is ill, or their child etc etc. That is all it is.

 

[Crazyhole]

Dude, it is leave time. It is for people who have used up all their leave likely dealing with the coronavirus in some form or another, to still have the ability to take off if they need to. THe vast majority of federal workers wont even qualify for it. It is not a direct check like you are acting. It is so if your postal worker gets corona but has no leave left, they can still take time off, or if their spouse is ill, or their child etc etc. That is all it is.

So why doesn't the same thing apply to every worker, not just federal employees?

 

[Cubs79]

So why doesn't the same thing apply to every worker, not just federal employees?

So you want the federal government mandating leave for private companies? I am all for workers rights, but that is a pretty progressive position of you.

But what you are describing is exactly what PPP is supposed to be for. Federal workers obviously dont fall under PPP. You are still acting as if there arent programs in place to protect workers who arent federal employees.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

So you want the federal government mandating leave for private companies? I am all for workers rights, but that is a pretty progressive position of you.

But what you are describing is exactly what PPP is supposed to be for. Federal workers obviously dont fall under PPP. You are still acting as if there arent programs in place to protect workers who arent federal employees.

They are trying to mandate $15 minimum wage to private employers. Why not give private employers the extra benefit of ppp? It’s not the private employers money for those benefits. It is for the $15 per hour.

 

[Crazyhole]

So you want the federal government mandating leave for private companies? I am all for workers rights, but that is a pretty progressive position of you.

But what you are describing is exactly what PPP is supposed to be for. Federal workers obviously dont fall under PPP. You are still acting as if there arent programs in place to protect workers who arent federal employees.

Nah, just say that any person who needs to stay home to take care of their children because schools are closed get a 1400 per week check from the government. If it's good for the federal employee, it should be good for everyone.

 

[Knight In TN]

Those are very valid questions. Back in the 'good ole days' the two-sides in Congress would have worked together to compromise on a bill that would have addressed the problem facing the country with neither side getting what they wanted -- an approach that has served this country well over the years.

But nowadays the so-called 'Conservatives' in Congress would rather take their ball and go home than actually do their jobs. I have absolutely no doubt that the bill that's going to be passed to help people has a whole bunch of pork in it. But I also have no doubt that if McConnell was still Majority Leader in the Senate, the Republican alternative was no bill at all.

Lol...

You know you’re not thinking critically anymore when you blame republicans for the pork and absurd waste in a bill that was drafted by democrats and passed without them voting for it.

 

[knightraveler]

Are you forgetting Republicans tried getting more money passed a few months ago and Democrats voted it down?

That is patently false. At least try to get your facts right.
"The House voted on Monday evening to increase the size of individual stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600, endorsing a measure demanded by President Trump and daring Senate Republicans to either approve the heftier sum or defy the president, whose demands for bigger checks nearly scuttled the entire stimulus package".

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blocked an attempt by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously approve a House-passed bill to increase direct payments in the coronavirus relief package to $2,000 from $600.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

That is patently false. At least try to get your facts right.
"The House voted on Monday evening to increase the size of individual stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600, endorsing a measure demanded by President Trump and daring Senate Republicans to either approve the heftier sum or defy the president, whose demands for bigger checks nearly scuttled the entire stimulus package".

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blocked an attempt by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously approve a House-passed bill to increase direct payments in the coronavirus relief package to $2,000 from $600.

'It was not a mistake': Nancy Pelosi defends her rejection of the Trump administration's $1.8 trillion stimulus offer after throwing support behind a relief package half its size

Pelosi said "a new president and a vaccine" was a "game changer" in her support of a smaller $908 billion stimulus package.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Cubs79]

Nah, just say that any person who needs to stay home to take care of their children because schools are closed get a 1400 per week check from the government. If it's good for the federal employee, it should be good for everyone.

Again, that is what PPP is supposed to be for. PPP is a government program. You are still pretending that there arent already programs in place for that. This isnt an either/or situation, they are just handled differently since obviously PPP doesnt apply to government workers. And they arent getting a $1400 check. They are getting their same salary, they just wont be docked if they missed work.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Take their ball and go home? Lol, the democrats know they don't need a single republican vote so they have no motivation to negotiate. This bill sucks, 100% of democrats will vote for it, and somehow you still think it's the fault of Republicans. Sheesh man.

Well think of it this way they could have added 2 trillion and used it for infrastructure...but they held back a little

 

[Nautiknight]

Wall Street loves this bill.

Main Street is going to suffer mightily from this bill.

 

[Nautiknight]

That is patently false. At least try to get your facts right.
"The House voted on Monday evening to increase the size of individual stimulus checks to $2,000 from $600, endorsing a measure demanded by President Trump and daring Senate Republicans to either approve the heftier sum or defy the president, whose demands for bigger checks nearly scuttled the entire stimulus package".

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell blocked an attempt by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously approve a House-passed bill to increase direct payments in the coronavirus relief package to $2,000 from $600.

I got a genuine question . Why stop at $15 an hour ? Why not $25 an hour ? Why stop at $2,000 per person? Why not $5,000 or even $10,000? it's only the Fed and Treasury firing up their HP printers and printing money. I mean if we are going to be the Home of the Brave and Land of free stuff , might as well do it right .

 

[goodknightfl]

The leave bill is simply government taking care of its own, plain and simple. Just like they allowed federal employees to opt out of obamacare.

 

[DaShuckster]

I got a genuine question . Why stop at $15 an hour ?

If we’d kept up with inflation, it’d be $12.50 instead of $7.50 right now. Since it’s been 12 years since it was last raised, indexing it to $15 in five years sounds about right.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

If we’d kept up with inflation, it’d be $12.50 right now. Since it’s been 12 years since it was last raised, indexing it to $15 in five years sounds about right.

they last raised minimum wage in 1997, no?

 

[DaShuckster]

they last raised minimum wage in 1997, no?

That was so f*king long ago, Nebraska was still winning natties.

 

[Knight In TN]

If we’d kept up with inflation, it’d be $12.50 instead of $7.50 right now. Since it’s been 12 years since it was last raised, indexing it to $15 in five years sounds about right.

That’s just how to kill off every job that isn’t worth $15/hr to a business.

Raising the minimum wage to $15 can also be looked at as making it illegal for someone to sell their labor for less than $15, even if they want to.

When those people can’t find work (they’ll all be poor people) they’ll miss out on the income, and the economy as a whole will suffer from losing their productivity.

I’m not sure what’s so hard to understand about the cold hard fact that this will not end with the same numbers of employed people, just making more money. It will also result in rising prices on low margin items that currently use low skill workers, especially things like groceries and fast food... things poor people need to survive.

 

[DaShuckster]

That’s just how to kill off every job that isn’t worth $15/hr to a business.

wow, isn’t it amazing that businesses somehow survived paying $2.50 an hour back in the day. With inflation, those same minimum wage jobs would be paying $12.50 today instead of $7.50. With indexing, the initial increase would STILL be less than it used to be.

But thanks for explaining to us that the cost of everything goes up...except, apparently, minimum wage jobs.

 

[DaShuckster]

Our society operates the same way nature does. Mess with one of the predators and the whole ecosystem suffers. But you believe we can continue to operate with inflation for every aspect of business EXCEPT minimum wage and that’s not going to hurt anything. Really bud?

 

[Knight In TN]

wow, isn’t it amazing that businesses somehow survived paying $2.50 an hour back in the day. With inflation, those same minimum wage jobs would be paying $12.50 today instead of $7.50. With indexing, the initial increase would STILL be less than it used to be.

But thanks for explaining to us that the cost of everything goes up...except, apparently, minimum wage jobs.

I love how you cherry pick only what you want to respond to in my posts.

Will lots of low income workers lose their jobs? Yes or no.

 

[DaShuckster]

I love how you cherry pick only what you want to respond to in my posts.

Will lots of low income workers lose their jobs? Yes or no.

You’re the king of cherry picking with gems like that one. The real question is: is increasing the minimum wage important to the overall health of our economy? Yes or no.

 

[Crazyhole]

Less than 1% of US workers make minimum wage, and it's been going down steadily since 1980. That means wages have already been increasing without raising the minimum wage.