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This Syrian news will no doubt create an interesting quandary for @UCFKnight85.

Will he stand firm on his previous criticisms of Obama troop withdrawals?
Or will he remain a loyal Trump MAGA hatter?

Of course, he might also ignore both of these options and simply call me names. :)
 
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The Syria move is disgusting. Many people will die. Trump is making us less safe.
 
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firm_bizzle said:
The Syria move is disgusting. Many people will die. Trump is making us less safe.
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Yet another case of Trump listening to a ruthless dictator. It begs the question why any group of people would ever help us in the future when we’ve shown we’re willing to turn on them at the flip of a dime.
 
DaShuckster said:
This Syrian news will no doubt create an interesting quandary for @UCFKnight85.

Will he stand firm on his previous criticisms of Obama troop withdrawals?
Or will he remain a loyal Trump MAGA hatter?

Of course, he might also ignore both of these options and simply call me names. :)
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I will call you a delusional child since that's what you are, it's pretty sick to see you cheerleading this as some sort of partisan football issue when in reality it's a complex and dangerous situation that has no good outcomes.

Do I agree with it? Maybe not, I'm not really sure. It's complex. What I do know is that none of you are volunteering to go be one of the 800 US troops caught in between two centuries' old enemies who are fighting battles that have nothing to do with the anti-ISIS mission in Syria. If you think that 800 US troops will permanently stop hostilities then go ahead and put on a uniform. Otherwise, I'm sure the guys there would prefer not to be caught in a war between two factions that we can't even return fire on or risk an even bigger escalation.

PS- that "dictator" runs a NATO nation. You guys bitched, whined, and lost your shit when Trump criticized NATO and yet here you are, essentially demanding we turn out guns on Turkey. Which is it? Is criticizing NATO fair game or does it only apply when you have some partisan hand picked issue to attack Trump with?
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
I will call you a delusional child since that's what you are, it's pretty sick to see you cheerleading this as some sort of partisan football issue when in reality it's a complex and dangerous situation that has no good outcomes.

Do I agree with it? Maybe not, I'm not really sure. It's complex. What I do know is that none of you are volunteering to go be one of the 800 US troops caught in between two centuries' old enemies who are fighting battles that have nothing to do with the anti-ISIS mission in Syria. If you think that 800 US troops will permanently stop hostilities then go ahead and put on a uniform. Otherwise, I'm sure the guys there would prefer not to be caught in a war between two factions that we can't even return fire on or risk an even bigger escalation.

PS- that "dictator" runs a NATO nation. You guys bitched, whined, and lost your shit when Trump criticized NATO and yet here you are, essentially demanding we turn out guns on Turkey. Which is it? Is criticizing NATO fair game or does it only apply when you have some partisan hand picked issue to attack Trump with?
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No, you don't know that. You are full of shit posting outright lies as you always do.

We know you are too much of a scared little bitch to sign your name on the dotted line.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
What I do know is that none of you are volunteering to go be one of the 800 US troops caught in between two centuries' old enemies who are fighting battles that have nothing to do with the anti-ISIS mission in Syria.
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You're saying this decision doesn't help ISIS? This decision doesn't help Turkey? This decision doesn't delight Putin?

Screw the Kurds! They've only been our staunchest allies for well over a decade.
 
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UCFWayne said:
so maybe our allies that are closer to the conflict, say nato countries, should do more to help.
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You mean like the UK and France which already are? I'm sure that you'd like to outsource our entire national security, Mr. 401k Republican.
 
firm_bizzle said:
This isn't a war. It's stabilization and support for our allies. These damn terrorists aren't going to quit, neither can we.
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The most ironic thing about Wayne's response is that he and his fellow conservatives were beside themselves when Obama decided to follow the terms of the Bush agreement by beginning to withdraw troops from Iraq in 2011. They delight in saying this decision contributed to the birth of ISIS.

But NOW that we have nearly wiped out ISIS, you believe Trump is right and we should just get the hell out of Dodge and give ISIS a reprieve???!?

Oh and let's not forget the fact that we are screwing over our trusted allies, the Kurds. For the Kurds, Trump's decision is like telling the Jews in 1942 that Germany can take care of them from now on.
 
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You mean like the UK and France which already are? I'm sure that you'd like to outsource our entire national security, Mr. 401k Republican.
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im ok with them stepping up to the plate and helping even more considering they are a lot closer than we are.
 
DaShuckster said:
The most ironic thing about Wayne's response is that he and his fellow conservatives were beside themselves when Obama decided to follow the terms of the Bush agreement by beginning to withdraw troops from Iraq in 2011. They delight in saying this decision contributed to the birth of ISIS.

But NOW that we have nearly wiped out ISIS, you believe Trump is right and we should just get the hell out of Dodge and give ISIS a reprieve???!?

Oh and let's not forget the fact that we are screwing over our trusted allies, the Kurds. For the Kurds, Trump's decision is like telling the Jews in 1942 that Germany can take care of them from now on.
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Jesus you're an idiot.

The US and Iraq had alliance accords and we had a formal approval from the Iraqi Government to be in their country while waging combat operations. Obama still decided to pack up and leave despite having assurances that the Iraqis would do the major lifting and plenty of guidance that vacating a country that we helped rebuild and back would leave it open to internal division and conflict.

On the other hand, we're currently in a country for which there is no legal mandate to even be in. We were there to fight ISIS and they are 99% eradicated in Syria if not more. We have nothing to do with the Turks and Kurds wanting to settle scores that go back decades or even longer. Like I said, if you think this is such an important job for the US military, then by all means join up and get over there. You're eager to leave our small force numbers in between two warring factions so go do the heavy lifting yourself.

And please stop acting like you give a shit about the Kurds. You don't. You're only using this faux concern since you think this is a convenient political football to feed your rampant TDS and delusional ideologies.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
The US and Iraq had alliance accords and we had a formal approval from the Iraqi Government to be in their country while waging combat operations.
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We also had a formal agreement with the Iraqi Government made when GWB was in office to withdraw from the country by 2011.

If you disagreed with it -- which you did -- I guess you could have 'signed up and gone over there,' right hypocrite? :)

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On the other hand, we're currently in a country for which there is no legal mandate to even be in. We were there to fight ISIS and they are 99% eradicated in Syria if not more.
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Another example of Trump knowing more than his Generals, right?

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And please stop acting like you give a shit about the Kurds. You don't.
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Christ, Man, they've been our staunchest allies in our war against ISIS!!! Why in the hell would anyone ever join forces with us ever again when they know we'll happily throw them to the wolves if its politically expedient for our Commander-in-Chief?

UCFKnight85 said:
Jesus you're an idiot.
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Says the guy who's telling us how great a President Trump is. :rolleyes:
 
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DaShuckster said:
We also had a formal agreement with the Iraqi Government made when GWB was in office to withdraw from the country by 2011.

If you disagreed with it -- which you did -- I guess you could have 'signed up and gone over there,' right hypocrite? :)

Another example of Trump knowing more than his Generals, right?

Christ, Man, they've been our staunchest allies in our war against ISIS!!! Why in the hell would anyone ever join forces with us ever again when they know we'll happily throw them to the wolves if its politically expedient for our Commander-in-Chief?

Says the guy who's telling us how great a President Trump is. :rolleyes:
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Can you show me the international legal mandate for leaving our troops in Syria? I’ll wait.

You’re so hellbent I’m crying about Trump that you’re basically demanding that we ignore the fact that the sole purpose for our troops being there is done with.

Like I said, for you guys bitching about this please feel free to head to Syria and take the place of our soldiers caught in the middle of a war they have nothing to do with.
 
Also, it’s hilarious how you frame this as if the Kurds deployed from abroad to fight our war for us. This was their home that was overrun by ISIS and they were going to fight them one way or another. The US sent in troops and hardware to make that fight a hell of a lot easier on the Kurds.

the whole world wanted ISIS defeated correct? I guess I’m confused since it seems like only the US wanted this and we owe the Kurds single handedly
 
I will confess that I'm even surprised that 85 would go to these hypocritical lengths to do an abrupt turnaround from his past Obama criticisms.

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Can you show me the international legal mandate for leaving our troops in Syria? I’ll wait.
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Now THAT's strange, 85. I don't recall you expressing this concern back when "Trump and the Kurds were kicking ISIS's butt."

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Also, it’s hilarious how you frame this as if the Kurds deployed from abroad to fight our war for us. This was their home that was overrun by ISIS and they were going to fight them one way or another. The US sent in troops and hardware to make that fight a hell of a lot easier on the Kurds.
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So with ISIS on the run, we don't need to give a sh*t about our Kurdish partners anymore?

Jesus, our allies used to be able to depend on the United States. America used to stand for honor, integrity, and freedom. But now that Trump believes ISIS is no longer a threat (despite what his Generals and many GOP Senators think), he thinks he needs to protect his personal/business assets in Turkey and therefore is willing to cowtow (once again) to Erdogan? Does this man have no shame??!?
 
DaShuckster said:
I will confess that I'm even surprised that 85 would go to these hypocritical lengths to do an abrupt turnaround from his past Obama criticisms.

Now THAT's strange, 85. I don't recall you expressing this concern back when "Trump and the Kurds were kicking ISIS's butt."

So with ISIS on the run, we don't need to give a sh*t about our Kurdish partners anymore?

Jesus, our allies used to be able to depend on the United States. America used to stand for honor, integrity, and freedom. But now that Trump believes ISIS is no longer a threat (despite what his Generals and many GOP Senators think), he thinks he needs to protect his personal/business assets in Turkey and therefore is willing to cowtow (once again) to Erdogan? Does this man have no shame??!?
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LOL

Did you seriously just frame this around Trump protecting business assets in Turkey?

[roll]

Jesus Christ you’re a delusional nitwit
 
sk8knight said:
Of course you’re a Mother Jones reader.
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And of course you responded without actually reading it.

FYI, it's a Mother Jones article about a Brietbart News interview Steve Bannon had with candidate Donald Trump.
 
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Yep. No need to read it. Your constant ravings give us the gist all day every day.
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Awww, am I annoying you???!?!

Me thinks your frustration is misplaced. Your boy Trump is the one acting like a batsh*t crazy fool. I'm simply commenting on it on a politics message board.

But I have noticed the number of pro-Trump posters and the frequency of their posts has gone down dramatically lately. Weird, huh?
 
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This lunatic accuses me of getting scoops from Shapiro then links us to Mother Jones

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UCFKnight85 said:
This lunatic accuses me of getting scoops from Shapiro then links us to Mother Jones
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Awww, am I annoying you???!?!

Me thinks your frustration is misplaced. Your boy Trump is the one acting like a batsh*t crazy fool. I'm simply commenting on it on a politics message board.

But I have noticed the number of pro-Trump posters and the frequency of their posts has gone down dramatically lately. Weird, huh?
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Absolutely not. It’s football season and that’s waaaaay more posting than I can handle now and work

Perhaps you should hit the Huskerboard a little harder. There’s soooo much to talk about with both schools
 
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All I know is that the more we get involved in middle eastern affairs, the worse things get. We can't solve hundreds of years of conflict by keeping troops there. If these idiots can't resolve their own problems without killing each other why should we stick ourselves in the middle of it?
 
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All I know is that the more we get involved in middle eastern affairs, the worse things get. We can't solve hundreds of years of conflict by keeping troops there. If these idiots can't resolve their own problems without killing each other why should we stick ourselves in the middle of it?
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This feels like a weird deja' vu. I distinctly recall that sentiment being expressed with Obama began removing US troops from Iraq as we had agreed to do years earlier under a different President.

When ISIS popped up, I was told that ISIS was a direct result of America's withdrawal. And now? Many of those same people are poo-poo'ing any fallout from Trump's abrupt withdrawal from Syria.

Personally, I think the United States has a responsibility for helping 'keep the peace' after kicking the Middle East hornet's nest when we invaded Iraq. The soldiers we have had in Syria have been primarily special forces with the Kurds doing the majority of the grunt work.
 
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This feels like a weird deja' vu. I distinctly recall that sentiment being expressed with Obama began removing US troops from Iraq as we had agreed to do years earlier under a different President.

When ISIS popped up, I was told that ISIS was a direct result of America's withdrawal. And now? Many of those same people are poo-poo'ing any fallout from Trump's abrupt withdrawal from Syria.

Personally, I think the United States has a responsibility for helping 'keep the peace' after kicking the Middle East hornet's nest when we invaded Iraq. The soldiers we have had in Syria have been primarily special forces with the Kurds doing the majority of the grunt work.
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If your point is just to show how hypocritical both sides are, you'll always have plenty of material to work with. I could point out how the left always want to cut the military budget but now wants to continue policing an area of the world that we have no business being there.

I was critical of Bush when he went into Iraq because of this exact scenario. We knew all along that we were just going to make things worse and the more we continue to do the same thing, the worse off we get.
 
DaShuckster said:
This feels like a weird deja' vu. I distinctly recall that sentiment being expressed with Obama began removing US troops from Iraq as we had agreed to do years earlier under a different President.

When ISIS popped up, I was told that ISIS was a direct result of America's withdrawal. And now? Many of those same people are poo-poo'ing any fallout from Trump's abrupt withdrawal from Syria.

Personally, I think the United States has a responsibility for helping 'keep the peace' after kicking the Middle East hornet's nest when we invaded Iraq. The soldiers we have had in Syria have been primarily special forces with the Kurds doing the majority of the grunt work.
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If you had a shred of intelligence you'd see the difference. You're so desperate for a partisan angled "muh hypocrisy!" that you can't think clearly.

Obama removed thousands upon thousands of troops in Iraq that were there purely 1) to train the Iraqis 2) at the request of the Iraqi Government and 3) serve as a long term deterrent for insurgencies exactly like this. Our troops were literally a way to prop up the security of the country or quickly respond to armed insurgencies like ISIS.

Our troop deployment to Syria at its' maximum was a whopping 2,000 Marines. They went there with 155mm guns to pound ISIS positions while our aircraft bombed the shit out of them. They did this in support of the Kurdish and SFA fighters to advance, on their own, and fight for their homeland on their own. That level of deployment was never going to stabilize a country that is already in shambles with at least 6 different factions fighting eachother. There is no goddamn reason to keep our troops involved in a country where 1) the legal reason for them being there is essentially gone and 2) they run a high risk of unwittingly being involved in a battle between two groups in a fight the US has nothing to do with.

Syria is a country where Turkey can literally roll their military in and the Syrian government, who governs the country, can do absolutely nothing to evict them. Or anyone. It's not a place we need to leave our soldiers indefinitely with no clear mandate or mission.
 
im tired of these endless wars. time to pull out. if other nations, like nato nations, want to take over since they are closer, then let them shoulder the burden. we are in massive debt, we need to cut back our spending.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
There is no goddamn reason to keep our troops involved in a country where 1) the legal reason for them being there is essentially gone...
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When Trump had his spur-of-the-moment decision to withdraw last December, Maddog resigned over it. Afterwards, Trump was convinced by his Generals to 'hang in there' with the troops because we were on the verge of taking away ISIS's remaining occupied territories.

And guess what happened? We did it -- we won. And who was on this board trumpeting The Great One's monumental victory? Boy, ol' Trump accomplished what Obama couldn't, right 85?

Now our Generals express concern that our hard won victories over ISIS could be undone by a single careless decision.

UCFKnight85 said:
...and 2) they run a high risk of unwittingly being involved in a battle between two groups in a fight the US has nothing to do with.
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You honestly believe Turkey would dare to roll into Syria and attack the Kurds if we were there?

It's just a coincidence they're rolling out the tanks as we're leaving, right? :rolleyes:
 
DaShuckster said:
When Trump had his spur-of-the-moment decision to withdraw last December, Maddog resigned over it. Afterwards, Trump was convinced by his Generals to 'hang in there' with the troops because we were on the verge of taking away ISIS's remaining occupied territories.

And guess what happened? We did it -- we won. And who was on this board trumpeting The Great One's monumental victory? Boy, ol' Trump accomplished what Obama couldn't, right 85?

Now our Generals express concern that our hard won victories over ISIS could be undone by a single careless decision.

You honestly believe Turkey would dare to roll into Syria and attack the Kurds if we were there?

It's just a coincidence they're rolling out the tanks as we're leaving, right? :rolleyes:
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Shookster, I already made it simple - if you think a tiny contingency of US troops is going to piece Syria back together, then join up and go relieve some boys of their duties. When hell breaks loose and you're caught in the middle of 3 different factions shooting at eachother, you can be the one to decide which to return fire on. Your Kurdish buddies or the NATO ally that is attempting to create a safe zone to resettle 2M refugees in their country.

Sound good? You have all the answers, you should go sort this out on the ground.
 
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