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This post loses all credibility when it says Schiff didn’t meet with the Whistleblower, he 100% did. Also who cares about a “smear campaign?” Obama fired every ambassador on his first day in office, where is the outrage?
Did he have his personal attorney smear them first before firing them?This post loses all credibility when it says Schiff didn’t meet with the Whistleblower, he 100% did. Also who cares about a “smear campaign?” Obama fired every ambassador on his first day in office, where is the outrage?
I’ve said this before, I’ve been part of several corporate changes. My current situation we got a new CEO 18 months ago. Out of the 12 people in the leadership council there are three left. Maybe if she would have had his same vision for Ukraine she would still be there. Tell me who was the ambassador of Ukraine when Russia took Crimea?Did he have his personal attorney smear them first before firing them?
Dr Fiona Hill tore Trump a new one with her testimony on the last day of the impeachment inquiry hearings. This US expert on Russia had the audacity to say imply that Nunes and his fellow clowns had been duped into buying the Ruski’s Disinformation campaign about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections.
You really have to be a diehard Trumper to think, ‘it’s wasn’t Russia who interfered in the election — it was ... drumroll ... UKRAINE ALL ALONG!!!
That’s an interesting site there. Not to say that this information is wrong, but they do claim to be non-partisan in the first statement on their about page. Then you look at the backgrounds of all of the people that contribute to the site and the investigations that they’ve undertaken since March of 2017 and you see that they are actually hyper-partisan. Doesn’t make the information itself wrong but it does make you have to look twice at any analysis.American Oversight claims that is only the first drop and there is more to come that has not been given to Congress. Happy Sábado. Go Knights
Aid was given to ukraine
No quid pro
None of the witnesses had direct first hand account of the call
This circus has been a disaster by the dems and im over here saying “i told ya so”. Oh and the IG report is dropping soon. Enjoy
These partisan "watch dog" type groups I think are generally a good thing. As long as the entirety of the FOIA requests become public (not selectively publishing) then it's good oversight. There's groups on both sides that go after information so on balance overall it's healthy I think.That’s an interesting site there. Not to say that this information is wrong, but they do claim to be non-partisan in the first statement on their about page. Then you look at the backgrounds of all of the people that contribute to the site and the investigations that they’ve undertaken since March of 2017 and you see that they are actually hyper-partisan. Doesn’t make the information itself wrong but it does make you have to look twice at any analysis.
Then why are 2 ukranians in prison for election meddling in 2016?
saw something about people starting to not like the impeachment proceedings. independents are starting to not favor it anymore with the percentage that support it dropping a few points.
that 98% chance hillary would win was awesome!Remember, can't trust the polls.
Can you show me where Leschenko and Sytnyk are in jail? Or even went to jail?
Yes - a court in Ukraine ruled that the release of the Black Ledger was illegal, and also opined that it's intent was to interfere in the 2016 election. But as far as I can tell, Sytnyk is till the director of NABU. Leschenko is currently a columnist for the Kyiv Post. He even just published his own first hand account of the black ledger saga. They certainly don't appear to be in jail, and I honestly haven' see any account where they went to jail but maybe I missed it.
I’m perfectly fine with partisan watchdog groups. They serve a great purpose. I’m not fine when they try to brand themselves as non-partisan. They do that for the PR, because partisanship is viewed as bad in the media and people hear partisan and just dismiss the information. As I said, information is good, just know where the analysis is coming from when you read it.These partisan "watch dog" type groups I think are generally a good thing. As long as the entirety of the FOIA requests become public (not selectively publishing) then it's good oversight. There's groups on both sides that go after information so on balance overall it's healthy I think.
But here's the REALLY interesting part of this release. These are documents that State has refused to turn over to the house as part of the blanket refusal to cooperate. So if a Judge rules these docs are subject to public FOIA requests, it strengthens the Democrat argument that the administration is obstructing the investigation.
Then why are 2 ukranians in prison for election meddling in 2016?
It's hard to find much information about it, but both were convicted of election tampering and the penalty is prison time. It stands to reason that immediately after the convictions that they were jailed, but probably are disputing the convictions in an appeals court so are currently free. Unian seems to be intentionally vague in how they report on these types of things for some reason.
They are not in prison, they as members of Ukraine parliament can not be indicted so they got off, even though found guilty. Ukraine and Russia meddled in 2016, it is not an either, or situation.
If the Democrats want to impeach Trump for his tweets or say he's Unpresidential, that's a valid argument.did you not see me criticize trump for these tweets? they are bad and poorly timed.
that said, those tweets were in no way witness intimidation. for someone of your generation, you sure do get triggered alot.
The problem with that argument is ... to use your words in reverse ...So saying Ukraine and Russia both meddled in 2016 is like saying that both Picasso and my 6 year old like to paint. I think Fiona Hill did an excellent job in her testimony of explaining this. Conflating the actions of several individual Ukrainians with a top down effort ordered by Putin is absurd. Particularly when you realize that this entire narrative - that Ukraine was meddling - was started by Putin and Russian intelligence. Now, if you're deep into believing that US intelligence are the bad guys and that Putin and Russian Intelligence are the good guys, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
Ever see the list of NATO members who were absolutely critical about President Obama not only after he refused to deploy THAAD when the Russians deployed S-400, but when he caught caught on-mic in 2012 about it?Also, if public statements by Ukrainian officials critical of Trump is evidence of meddling - as Nunes and crew claim - then there is a HUGE list of countries that "meddled". In July 2016, the Washington Post collected 61 "not very positive" things foreign leaders had said about Trump.
And it happens constantly at State. It's funny how they are literally picking Trump apart for status quo.Trump sought out (at worst) a political advantage over his opponent. How is this different than any random congressman seeking an endorsement from the NRA, the labor unions, or a donor? All examples are basically just different versions of looking for the same thing: seeking an advantage over their political opponent. Props to the Democrats for bringing it to the forefront, but the basis of it is pretty thin.
Trump sought out (at worst) a political advantage over his opponent. How is this different than any random congressman seeking an endorsement from the NRA, the labor unions, or a donor? All examples are basically just different versions of looking for the same thing: seeking an advantage over their political opponent. Props to the Democrats for bringing it to the forefront, but the basis of it is pretty thin.
It was delayed to await how the new president conducted himself, then released immediately. This is all documented. But yea, let pelosi impeach. Less than 30% of independents support it now and 2020 is going to be a landslide. I told you so.Why was it delayed when it had been approved by Congress long ago? Was it because of Ukrainian corruption? If so, why didn’t Trump bring up corruption in his phone calls with Zelensky? Why did corruption only come up with Trump’s favor request? And why did the aid magically get released once Congress starting asking questions and rumors of a whistleblower hit DC?
Clearly you didn’t watch the inquiry hearings since you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Despite your complete ignorance about the proceeding, you’re convinced “this circus has been a disaster.”
Putin has to be laughing out loud when he watches his “Ukraine did it” disinformation campaign used by the GOP members of the intell committee as a Trump life preserver in the impeachment hearings.
He used federal aid money as the leverage. That's why it's different.
No, he didnt. Sorry to burst your cnn bubble. Maybe we can settle this with a pushup contest fattyHe used federal aid money as the leverage. That's why it's different.
No, he didnt. Sorry to burst your cnn bubble. Maybe we can settle this with a pushup contest fatty
It's illegal even without the federal aid.He used federal aid money as the leverage. That's why it's different.
Incorrect.No, he didnt. Sorry to burst your cnn bubble. Maybe we can settle this with a pushup contest fatty
It had already passed all of those checks before OMB delayed it. What else ya got?It was delayed to await how the new president conducted himself, then released immediately. This is all documented. But yea, let pelosi impeach. Less than 30% of independents support it now and 2020 is going to be a landslide. I told you so.