Would liberals trade guns for human lives?

[Bob the Citronaut]

The 2nd amendment for women's right to murder?

32,000 gun deaths per year in the US
700,000 babies murdered per year in the US

Why do the lives of the 32,000 matter 20 times more than those of innocent children?

 

[MACHater02]

They aren't babies or children yet.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

 

[Happy Hands]

Kenny Loggins loves popcorn.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

This is always a fun discussion to have--we haven't had a good abortion debate in some time.

God dammit, it's a woman's Constitutional right to coat hanger that fetus right the hell on out. The Supreme Court has ruled on this and stuff. Deal with it.

Kinda like guns.

 

[UCFRogerz]

They aren't babies or children yet.

At what time during the birthing process did my baby become a baby? Halfway out?

 

[UCFWayne]

Im personally pro life. I stand by the choices I make good or bad. That said, Im not the one having the baby and I respect others right to make decisions. Also there should always be exceptions for rape, incest, medical, etc.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Smoking deaths - 480,000
Alcohol deaths - 88,000
Obesity deaths - 300,000
Auto deaths - 33,000

 

[EweSeaEff]

zOMG babies are being murdered!!!1111!!! These women should be put in jail!!!11!

 

[btbones]

Im personally pro life. I stand by the choices I make good or bad. That said, Im not the one having the baby and I respect others right to make decisions. Also there should always be exceptions for rape, incest, medical, etc.

Exceptions for sure should be readily available in those situations. I am primarily opposed to abortion as it relates to folks using it as a last chance birth control

 

[UCFWayne]

Exceptions for sure should be readily available in those situations. I am primarily opposed to abortion as it relates to folks using it as a last chance birth control

I agree. Thats what condoms, the pill, and plan b pill are for. Im coming around to the idea that those should be free to everyone, as it would save in the long run.

 

[EweSeaEff]

I agree. Thats what condoms, the pill, and plan b pill are for. Im coming around to the idea that those should be free to everyone, as it would save in the long run.

But wait, isn't Plan B technically abortion according to the pro-lifers?

 

[Happy Hands]

Smoking deaths - 480,000
Alcohol deaths - 88,000
Obesity deaths - 300,000
Auto deaths - 33,000

If my fat a$$ is drinking and smoking while I'm driving and I run into a brick wall and die, what category is it in?

 

[OmniKnight]

I agree. Thats what condoms, the pill, and plan b pill are for. Im coming around to the idea that those should be free to everyone, as it would save in the long run.

Why should the public pay for people to indulge in sex for pleasure?

Public money spent on any form of birth control equates to sexual welfare.

 

[MACHater02]

But wait, isn't Plan B technically abortion according to the pro-lifers?

Yes, but they're crazy.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

But wait, isn't Plan B technically abortion according to the pro-lifers?

Maybe the devout Catholic/Christian ones who think any birth control is a sin. There are pro choice people who think it's OK to murder as long as the child is dependent on the mother, what's that like 14 or 15 years old?

 

[EweSeaEff]

Maybe the devout Catholic/Christian ones who think any birth control is a sin. There are pro choice people who think it's OK to murder as long as the child is dependent on the mother, what's that like 14 or 15 years old?

I respect you, Bob, but I'm calling bullshit and bullshit. If life begins at conception (which is the crux of the pro life argument) then Plan B is murder because it's post facto.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

And pro lifers think it's OK to kill teenagers. You're either all in or not at all. Women aren't considered pregnant the first couple weeks.

 

[EweSeaEff]

Women aren't considered pregnant the first couple weeks.

Tell that to your pro-life compariots.

 

[fabknight]

Women aren't considered pregnant the first couple weeks.

As soon as it becomes a zygote and implants in the uterine wall, a woman is technically pregnant, no?

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

As soon as it becomes a zygote and implants in the uterine wall, a woman is technically pregnant, no?

That doesn't happen until week 3.

 

[fabknight]

That doesn't happen until week 3.

That's why life begins at conception.

 

[OmniKnight]

guys, you're invalidating the real societal deficiency which is zoo animal types that cannot control their impulses

 

[fabknight]

guys, you're invalidating the real societal deficiency which is zoo animal types that cannot control their impulses

^^^^Truth. Imagine what a wonderful world this would be if people could control themselves.

 

[OmniKnight]

God dammit, it's a woman's Constitutional right to coat hanger that fetus right the hell on out. The Supreme Court has ruled on this and stuff. Deal with it.

Good post. It is time to overturn Roe v. Wade and get the country back on track

Future generations will already judge us on this dark time of mass murder due to lack of impulse control

Time to stop the madness once and for all

 

[OmniKnight]

^^^^Truth. Imagine what a wonderful world this would be if people could control themselves.

mental health and well being is the biggest unaddressed deficiency in modern civilization

gun rampages, indulgence in sexual impulse, domestic violence, reliance on foreign substances, lazy life government dependency

all products of mental health disorder

stop patching the wounds and perpetuating them, and get people to a stable state of mind

 

[Knight_Light]

And pro lifers think it's OK to kill teenagers. You're either all in or not at all. Women aren't considered pregnant the first couple weeks.

I always forget about that period of them being "kind of pregnant" or "a little pregnant".

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

I always forget about that period of them being "kind of pregnant" or "a little pregnant".

Medically they are not pregnant until two weeks after their last period.

 

[1ofTheseKnights]

Used be in the liberal hippie püssy side on this that killing fetuses is cool & edgy, then I held my baby & agreed it's murder.

 

[fabknight]

Used be in the liberal hippie püssy side on this that killing fetuses is cool & edgy, then I held my baby & agreed it's murder.

I don't care what the pro-choice women say. I know women who have had abortions and have felt guilty ever since, especially if they've had a child since they terminated the life of a previous fetus. There is something intangible, innate and inherent in a person's psyche that tells them it's wrong.

 

[EweSeaEff]

reliance on foreign substances

Like tacos and falafel?

 

[goodknightfl]

At what time during the birthing process did my baby become a baby? Halfway out?

According to a few abortion extremist, about 2 to 3 years old. Until then it is still just flesh.

 

[CommuterBob]

I respect you, Bob, but I'm calling bullshit and bullshit. If life begins at conception (which is the crux of the pro life argument) then Plan B is murder because it's post facto.

But that's not what Plan B does. Plan B doesn't kill a zygote, it just tricks the woman's body into sloughing off the uterine lining so that the zygote cannot attach and receive nutrients from the woman's body. The zygote then falls out the vagina with the rest of the lining. Plan B is not a pesticide, but rather more like bug repellant.

 

[OmniKnight]

But that's not what Plan B does. Plan B doesn't kill a zygote, it just tricks the woman's body into sloughing off the uterine lining so that the zygote cannot attach and receive nutrients from the woman's body. The zygote then falls out the vagina with the rest of the lining. Plan B is not a pesticide, but rather more like bug repellant.

if it prevents a fertilized zygote from attaching to the coochie wall, it kills the zygote

 

[CommuterBob]

if it prevents a fertilized zygote from attaching to the coochie wall, it kills the zygote

That happens many times naturally anyway. And it does not 100% prevent it from happening. It just makes the conditions far less likely to happen.

 

[UCFRogerz]

I kill millions of potential children at a time.

 

[UCFKnight85]

They aren't babies or children yet.

Right.

Because many times, if a woman has a pregnancy without an abortion, a dog comes out. Or a horse. Sometimes a fish.

So really, only a nut would think that a human child would emerge from a pregnant woman 100% of the time*

 

[OmniKnight]

That happens many times naturally anyway. And it does not 100% prevent it from happening. It just makes the conditions far less likely to happen.

Take a lap and retry

 

[CommuterBob]

Take a lap and retry

Learn biology and retry

 

[OmniKnight]

Learn biology and retry

are you stupid or belligerent? select one and we can address