12-year-old Polk County boy dies after accidental shooting, police say
A 12-year-old Lakeland boy died Friday night after accidentally shooting himself with a gun he found in a car, according to police.
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The 'good guy with a gun' accidently left it loaded inside his unlocked car. Hey, mistakes happen. Thoughts and prayers.12-year-old Polk County boy dies after accidental shooting, police say
A 12-year-old Lakeland boy died Friday night after accidentally shooting himself with a gun he found in a car, according to police.
It’s worth it so a guy with a legally purchased gun can mow down another guy with a legally purchased gun who is trying to mow down other people with the legally purchased gun.
Could have just as easily happened with a knife left in a car gun advocates will argue 🙄
Tried to FIFY. It’s literally impossible to imitate the threads of manifesto man
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Well, did you try doing it with four fried drumsticks in your mouth? That usually helps.
12-year-old Polk County boy dies after accidental shooting, police say
A 12-year-old Lakeland boy died Friday night after accidentally shooting himself with a gun he found in a car, according to police.
Have you see the statistics for other accident rates with children? No, that's because you're not objective.
You guys only see guns and nothing else. **** all the hundreds of thousands of other kids that die from other, parental and adult negligence.
Have you seen your pee pee or toes lately? No, that's because you have a gut that gets in the line of sight.
WTF? So the fact that children more frequently kill themselves from falls, fires, poisoning, or drowning somehow makes accidental gun deaths acceptable? Who's the one not being objective here?
And you and your fellow gun fetishists make stupid, asinine excuses when deadly weapons are found by children in family homes.
It means rates of gun accidents are lower than so many other accidents because the overwhelming majority of American parents are responsible, especially versus other countries per household with a firearm.
This 'fear mongering' is not only getting old, but ... the worst thing I've ever heard a parent say is, "I didn't know. I didn't know!" We spend so much time in the hyperbole of firearms that we ignore things that kill kids far more!
Things parents should know as well, if not even more so!
But ... we're going stick with the "One child is one too many, even though they are more likely to die from all these other realities." We did that same BS during the lockdowns about the elderly, and look at all the massive psychological issues we've now ignored!
Especially since 90% of child gun deaths are organized crime, and unless a parent is organized crime, those statistics don't apply. But ...
"**** statitics, **** kids ... I want guns gone! **** everything else!" (fingers in your ears)
You're the sheep dude, statistics ignoring sheep.
I'm not a gun fetishists! I'm just a Bill of Rights nuthugger!
And you are just a hyperbole super-glutton. Enjoy the world you build!
The good ol' US of A is #2 in the world in total gun deaths, #3 in accidential gun deaths, and #1 in suicides.
That's because you use 'totals' instead of 'per-capita.'
France's per-capita, despite heavy firearm restrictions, are eye-opening.. They also have massive organized crime due to ... you guessed it ... out-of-control refugee issues. That's why the US is becoming like France.
And a single mass shooting in Europe can skew their per-capita for a full decade. Damn you really open yourself up here. These are the things the US Media doesn't want you to visit.
Gun suicides, yes. But not total suicides, let alone per-capita. Suicides rates remain constant regardless of weapon. That is common knowledge.
Damn you really ignore facts and statistics!
OOOOOOOOOH! Silly me!
OOOOOOOOOH! Damn, I thought this thread was about guns.
Yeah boy, I'm really facts and statistics ignorant. 🤪
Indeed. You literally are yet another emotionally-driven believer, in your church of echo, instead of fact and statistics-based citizen, objective and actually caring.OOOOOOOOOH! Silly me!
OOOOOOOOOH! Damn, I thought this thread was about guns.
Yeah boy, I'm really facts and statistics ignorant. 🤪
You did the same thing in so many threads, including ignoring when I proved to you the Seahawks were supporting one candidate, but telling another candidate's husband to remove a jersey they personally awarded him. It utterly backfired, especially with you saying the Seahawks wanted to look neutral, and not endorse any candidate (when they very much were), but it's how people like yourself operate. You literally spend 0 time actually reading anything. At least UCFMikes admits it, and Liteheaded recently did similar about Musk.
You've done this over and over. Doesn't matter how much evidence I present, the second I prove you wrong, you clam up and start the insults again. Just how you operate, key Cabal characteristic.
I provided you with gun facts. You've responded with this bullsh*t.
Good God, you're STILL butt-hurt about the schooling I gave you???!? Feel free to bring the thread back up again if you want me to kick you around some more.
Hell, I'm guilty of having read a lot of your pages-long, multi-colored and highlighted manifestos than I'd like to admit. The truth is, most of them are mindless ramblings which go all over the place and end up making zero sense.
How much "evidence" you present???!? Like what you've presented us on the covid vaccines? 🤪
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You provided me with complete non-sense.
France is 1/5th the size of the US. Norway is nearly 100th the size, population wide. WTF do I do when you want to compare 330M to 5M?! 70M households with guns v. less than 1M?
It's the same BS people like you pull when you talk energy, emissions, etc... You take individual, small even tiny countries in comparison, instead of either doing per-capita, or ... far more 1:1 ... compare the US to the entire EU, similar population, similar energy, similar emissions, and -- when accounting for households with an actual firearm -- similar gun violence.
Heck, France is a mess right now. And they have extremely tight weapons regulation, along with similar refugee and resulting organized crime violence, including trafficking of guns and humans.
No, you're literally spewing it! You literally cannot fathom why total numbers of a country with 330M don't match ones with 60M down to 5M. You are literally incompatible of intelligent debate.
Every time I've quoted any statistic, let alone your own non-sense from the archives when you said you didn't say something, but you did ... you 'clam up.' The Seahawks one was my favorite!
No, it was the opposite! You literally 'clammed up.' You totally did! And then you finally just did what UCFMikes did, and start arguing with things I never said.
Again, you are literally incompatible of intelligent debate. It's obvious you can pass neither 8th grade Earth science nor basic statistics!
Yes, because you believe what you want to believe. You don't understand why 70M households with guns have more gun violence than less than 1M households with guns, but NOT 70x as much!. "Oh well, it's still 10-20x more!" And you're even more confused when 70M households with guns have less mass shootings per household with a gun than a country with only a couple million households ... because most guns are illegal, and used by organized crime in those countries, and flow freely too.
Are you literally that uneducated?!
It's quite an interesting study, which is why I strongly recommend you read FBI studies ... starting with the 1997 and 2000 Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) results. They will not match what the politicians say. Even better? When you start realizing 90% of all child gun deaths are organized crime, and those guns are not legally acquired, and flow across boarders, you'll start waking up to this reality ...
Legal gun ownership has never been the problem. And when it comes to suicides, rates don't change based on availability of weapon.
Exactly! I did. And you're still in denial! I even quoted you multiple times in your lies about how vaccines stop the spread! Those vaccines sure stopped the spread, didn't they?! NOT!
You authoritarians refuse to take responsibility for all the vaccines mandates, violence and psychological issues the lockdowns caused for so little benefit, and far worse results. It's amazing that you literally just 'move on' after you are proven wrong! No wonder people are bigger skeptics than ever, including on the left, let alone modeates!
You never, ever ****ing admit ever being wrong! You just hope people 'move on.'
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Once again let me spell this out in a language that MAYBE A NARCISSIST CAN READ
YOU ARE AN ANTI-VAXER, ANTI-GOVERNMENT, ANTI-BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY THEORIST WHO IS INDIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MURDERING COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE DUE TO SPREADING MISINFORMATION HERE AND THROUGHOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. YOU LACK SELF-AWARENESS AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE WRONG TIME AND TIME AGAIN REGARDING COVID
AND VACCINES. YOUR INCREDIBLE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS AND EXTREME NARCISSISM DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE THAT
ADDITIONALLY, THE ABOVE TRAITS HAVE MADE POSSIBLY A ONCE PROMISING CAREER INTO A COMPLETE FAILURE. YOU’RE INSECURE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT FOOLED BY YOU
YOU’RE AN UNHEALTHY 400lb MAN WITH A FAILED CAREER WHO
LIVES IN A SHACK IN RURAL ALABAMA. YOU ARE NOW AT BEST A PART-TIME I.T. SPECIALIST WHO PERFORMS ODD JOBS
WHEN YOU CAN GET ONE AND KEEP IT UNTIL THEY CAN’T STAND YOU.
READ THIS 10 TIMES!
I don’t think think BS has cried this much or as hard since that one time when the Golden Corral ran out of fried chicken. Or that one time in 2012 when the chocolate fountain stopped working. Also memorable fits of rage include January of 2005 when the sternos in the fajita bar ran out of fuel. This definitely topped his explosion in July 1998 where the manager kindly asked him to let other people have some gravy.
Memories…
Memories…
They funniest thing is that all these anti-vaxxer crybabies are……., wait for it……
hold on…….,
It’s coming….,
VACCINATED!!!!
hold on…….,
It’s coming….,
VACCINATED!!!!
Don’t forget the time at the Chinese Buffet when his fortune cookie read:
“Don’t come back fat boy!”
I provided you with how the United States ranked in gun-related deaths by country. Your response was to blast my use of totals instead of looking at the percentage of the population.
Okay, fair enough. Let's look at the rankings based on the % of gun deaths per 100,000 people. Based on that, the USA ranks 20th in the World. Our 'Top 20 comrades-in-arms' include El Salvador, Venezuela, Guatemala, Columbia, Gonduras, the Virgin Islands, Brazil, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Afghanistan, Belize, the Bahamas, Trinidad, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Guyana, and the Dominican Republic. (I found it bizarre to discover that Greenland was on the list too, but then learned the country's total number of gun deaths was a whopping 13.)
Is sharing this Top Twenty distinction with mostly Third World countries something we should feel good about?
France isn't even in the Top 20 in % of deaths per 100,000 and is 20th in total firearm-related death (which you implied was absolutely meaningless.)
I think the word you were looking for was incapable.
I did pass 8th grade English. You?
The reality that 90% of all child gun deaths...are a result of organized crime??!? I'd love to see where you pulled That Gem of a Stat other than from out of your ass.
I think the word you were looking for wasincapable.
I did pass 8th grade English. You?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now where are those countries (Puerto Rico is the US, BTW) ... hmmm ... and what do they feed? Hmmm .... oh, that's right ...
Organized crime in the US!
And ... you made this about kids. And how to 90% of kids in the US die from guns?! Oh, that's right ...
Organized crime in the US!
So ... what will outlawing gun ownership in the US accomplish?! Oh, that's right ...
Organized crime in all US neighborhoods!
Geez, even the FBI points this out with their own statistics, and why the AWB never worked!
But even the UN covers these statistics because ... Central and Latin America are the largest source of organized crime in the world, and over any decade since after WWII ... organized crime kills more people than all wars ... combined!
And it's largely in Central and Latin America because ... the war on drugs. That's why I'm a pro-Legalization Libertarian! Cut off the lifeblood of the cartels in those countries! If there is one thing I'm pissed at Trump over (and I didn't even vote for him), is that he stated he would bring about pro-Legalization and Criminal Justice reform, and he wiff'd on both!
Geez, this is literally it! Drugs, guns and humans are trafficked across all borders, especially ours! Can't pay the US$5K to cross the border? Here you go, here are some drugs, guns or a child to take with you!
Sigh ... you are not remotely close to being a true Liberal, but that 'new-age Progressive' that is really a former, Authoritarian-Totalitarian Conservative!
Mass shootings per capita -- let alone per-household with legal firearm -- in a western, developed nation, that has the strictess of gun as well as organized crime, but that's another discussion.
I think you missed my point that the proven bullsh-- argument 'more [legally-owned] guns means more crime,' it doesn't scale ... not at all! But that's another discussion. But that brings me back to ...
No. You are still 99% incapable, just not 100%. Case-in-point ...
You mean like all the others you say I pull out of my rectum, only to be proven wrong ... just like on vaccines?! Even the anti-gun lobby highlights these stastistics, calling them 'gun assaults.'
Per 100,000 kids (which they include 18 & 19 because it makes it look bigger), only 0.2-0.3 per 100,000 are accidents or unintentional, while 3.5-3.9 per 100,000 are willful, purposeful 'gun assaults!' And yes, @$$hat, you made this about 'accidents!'
According to you, because of households have legal guns in the US, we should have 10,000x as many gun accidental deaths. Or even going with developed 'gun culture' contries, like the 8-20% of households from the Swiss to the Norwegians/Swedes as argument ... we should have 500x as many 'accidents' when you factor in our population being 30-50x bigger along with 4-10x as many households with guns, per capita. We should have 5,000+ dying from accidents. But we don't. We just don't.
And that was pre-pandemic! The 'gun assaults' have jumped 35-50% as a reasult of the lockdowns! Young men with babies and out of work, they've gotta do something! That and more undocumented residents with the same problem (although they are usually older).
I'm predisposed to finding some morsel of an intelligent point to discuss from UCFBS's rambling manifestos. But I'm giving up on this one.
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Couple things you need to do in the New Year: stop eating so much and stop writing so much. You aren't very good at the latter, but you are extremely good at the former. Both, however, are clearly unhealthy for you and are killing you.
Yes, because every time ... just like before ... I point out how you don't even engage your brain.
You always have to 'backtrack,' like on the 'total v. per-capita.' Boom! Another one. And now you understand why the 'War on Drugs' is related to trafficking not just drugs, but guns and people, and how the overwhelming supermajority of guns used in crimes in the US are never legally acquired, and can flow across any border in the Americas.
Our 'neighbors' to the south are more than proof too, because we're too stupid to realize that a 'war' on anything does not work, it only drives up price, so more organized crime. Which is why every single gun law proposed on law abiding citizens never does anything, and only exposes ignorance. Especially 'AR-15 style,' among other things.
It's a knowledge and statistics-based test. And some admit this, like even anti-gunners on the left do when they are 'caught on a hot mic.' It's about only the government having guns. They know AR-15 bans won't do anything, just like they haven't in Canada. And home invasions and organized crime only goes up, like in Australia and the UK.
Reliance on the government. All while drug, gun and human trafficking is reserved only for the elites and politicians, didn't you know?!
BTW, I hope everyone realizes that Joe Biden's 'didn't own a gun hero' that actually wrestled away the gun, and -- his words -- 'intimidated' the the shooter, broke the law by doing so in most US states with alleged 'strong violence prevention' laws.
That's why I don't like the US' move towards Australia and UK-like laws were law abiding citizens, including Biden's 'good citizen,' would be charged with a felony for 'saving lives' by merely using the gun.
As he proved, only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun ... he just managed to 'wrestle it away,' but he still used a gun, and ... would be guilty of a felony in many states, let alone Australia and the UK ... even Canada now.
Yes, because I used your own statistics against you, and you were -- once again -- ****ing ignorant. I've repeatedly told you guys to talk to CBP and FBI agents who deal with this ... daily! Same with police in border states.
I mean ... you don't think the Mexican cartels alone having a similar budget to the defense budget of France or Germany, and 3x the Mexican government's own defense spending, is an issue?
Firm and yourself literally, albeit indirectly, support my point that top 20 countries (including the US barely in the top 20) per capita gun violence is completely unrelated to legal ownership, but totally related to organized crime (or insurrection in the case of the Phillipines) and why even outlawing firearms in the US will do nothing to reduce gun violence, but more likely only promote it (indeed, the CDC politically eradicated several studies showing this).
This is why I cannot stand both the left and the right on the border aspect let alone the war on drugs.
Legalize drugs and start making everyone documented and you will see everything plummet, as organized crime will go down (although much remains in the US thanks to the lockdowns). The left is not interested in doing such, and dangle the dreamers and undocumented as pawns, no better than the right complains about them. Gun violence is completely dominated by organized crime, and especially young men under 20 ... overwhelmingly under-privileged African-Americans followed by undocumented residents at half the rate (but still 3x white Americans), although ...
Undocumented residents are far more the repeat, violent offenders, even over under-privileged African-Americans ... when they're even tracked at all.
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Bullsh*t. Show me any state law that would've required police to charge the young man who wrestled the gun away from that mass murdering California psycho.
The fact that he wrestled it away from the psycho has no bearing in many states!
In New York, picking up a firearm is a felony, even if it's a criminal's gun and they were in the middle of the crime if killing people. Heck, in New York they charge people with battery (if they harm someone in self-defense) or even murder (if they kill someone in self-defense) with a knife that is not theirs, especially if it's an 'illegal' knife to own, even though they didn't own it themselves!
And that's the thing ... just because they are not charged doesn't mean they are not guilty of a felony! Ask any New York lawyer!!! Several other 'Progressive' states in New England and even out near the Pacific are like this too!
Haven't you seen the videos where people are telling people not to pick up a dropped or otherwise swatted away weapon?! Especially since it's streaming on-line and recorded for police to use as evidence?!
Sorry you are ignorant of many laws. The US is slowly turning into the UK where you have no rights ... even in your own home. Biden's 'hero' wasn't in his own home. Just because people don't get charged doesn't mean they didn't break the law.
P.S. I love how you guys downvote more the more I end up being correct.
SIDE NOTE: Just the day before and the day after, people stopped mass shootings. But because they were gun owners, they aren't Biden's heros. But Biden still promoted gun usage to stop crimes! I think you miss the hypocrisy of that.
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You guys are the same ****tards that don't understand what alleged 'stand your ground' means!
It means the state must prove you assaulted someone not in self-defense! Florida is one of them.
All other states are ones that always assume, by default, you assaulted someone and you, the defendent, are arrested and then you go to trial and you must prove you were acting in self-defense (or defense of others)!
It's really that simple. Find me a ****ing lawyer that disagrees! This is even worse in states with 'mandatory prosecutions.' That's why governors of 'mandatory prosecutions' often have to 'pardon' or at least 'threatened to pardon.'
This is over and over on different California legal sites ...
He violated Penal Code 245(a)(2) and the onus is on him to prove self-defense. This is why many of us are pissed. Biden literally ignored the fact that California is 'self-defense must be proven in trial' state.
Here's another ...
In any case ... whether he brought it or wrestled it away, he used the gun and pointed it ... which is always assault in California, but continues to prove ... only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.
SIDE NOTE: Credit goes to New York Mayor Eric Adams ... a rare Democrat who actually sticks up for self-defense after people are arrested and charged.
It means the state must prove you assaulted someone not in self-defense! Florida is one of them.
All other states are ones that always assume, by default, you assaulted someone and you, the defendent, are arrested and then you go to trial and you must prove you were acting in self-defense (or defense of others)!
It's really that simple. Find me a ****ing lawyer that disagrees! This is even worse in states with 'mandatory prosecutions.' That's why governors of 'mandatory prosecutions' often have to 'pardon' or at least 'threatened to pardon.'
This is over and over on different California legal sites ...
'Penal Code 245(a)(2)
Under Penal Code 245(a)(2) PC, California law defines assault with a firearm ... The assault may take the form of:
- pointing the firearm at the victim
...
Legal Defenses to Penal Code 245(a)(2)
You can be convicted of California assault with a firearm—and face the hefty penalties above—even if you did not injure anyone. In fact, you can be convicted under PC 245(a)(2) even if you didn’t touch or otherwise make physical contact with your victim.
This is the major difference between assault crimes, including assault with a firearm, and the Penal Code 242 PC (battery).
The elements of self-defense need to be presented and proved by the defendant at trial.
- You acted in self-defense or defense of someone else;
- ...'
He violated Penal Code 245(a)(2) and the onus is on him to prove self-defense. This is why many of us are pissed. Biden literally ignored the fact that California is 'self-defense must be proven in trial' state.
Here's another ...
'Q: Can I Be Arrested For Self Defense?
California law allows you to claim self-defense when charged with assault on another.
Q: So ... I be arrested for self-defense?
Yes. And you have to prove your case and fight for your freedom.'
In any case ... whether he brought it or wrestled it away, he used the gun and pointed it ... which is always assault in California, but continues to prove ... only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.
SIDE NOTE: Credit goes to New York Mayor Eric Adams ... a rare Democrat who actually sticks up for self-defense after people are arrested and charged.
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You don't understand how the law works.
People are not automatically charged and indicted for a crime because you can point to a penal code. There's a reason why our legal system uses prosecuters and grand juries.
So the will of the democratically-elected representatives making laws that prosecutors and grand juries swear solemnly to uphold means nothing in your world? When you screamed so loudly about the sanctity of Democracy?
There are laws on the books and then there are prosecuters and grand juries who are responsible for decided if the circumstances surrounding a particular case warrant an indictment.
The majority of the time, that combination works. It's called factoring in common sense.
You mean like 'common sense' gun control? Seriously ... you really need to 'get out more.' There are felons who had no business ever being charged. Heck, New Jersey even outlaws insurance so they cannot get a proper defense to prove it was self defense.
This is my problem with you anti-gunners. You want to turn the US into the UK. And look at those per-capita statistics. It's not good in the UK, especially London, especially with all sorts of weapons. Criminals can invade your home and if you wrestle the weapon away, you will be charged ... in your own home.
That means the Cali 'hero' is a felon too.
Try staying on topic. Your issue was penal codes "that require" poor self-defense victims to be automatically charged and prove they're innocent at trial, remember?
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If they follow the law, yes. But this had too many optics, nationally. This isn't even about guns, although it's pathetic that the California 'hero' was guilty of a felony gun crime, and would have automatically been charged had it not gone national.
It took awhile for this one to get out. Mandatory arrest and prosecution, especially when he admitted to the stabbing. Does not matter if it was 'self defense,' it must be proved in court. The burden is on anyone who breaks the law. Ask any attorney in these states!
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Although thankfully the New York Mayor -- one of the few pro-self-defense Democrats in the country -- came out in support, although he couldn't threaten to fire the prosecutor, and even pointed out how it's a real issue. It might have been ten times as difficult had he used a gun, even if he had a permit.
Eric Adams supports ‘hard-working’ bodega clerk Jose Alba over ‘self-defense’
“My heart goes out for this hard-working, honest New Yorker that was doing his job,” the mayor said.
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The law is the law, sadly. That's why we send teenagers to prison over minor drug charges ... especially here in Florida. Although at least the tough 10-20-LIFE law was finally countered with a comprehensive 'self defense' law, one that has worked very well since. Can't put people on house arrest for a portion of a decade without charging them.
But this is standard in the UK ... manslaughter, minimum!
Elderly man arrested for murder after killing home intruder
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And then the civil suits are just nuts ...
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