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The state isn’t forcing her to keep her baby. The salt ate isn’t allowing her to terminate an unborn life. A life which should have rights of it’s own. Which you should acknowledge but make your argument easy by ignoring.

Abortions carry physical risk (even of death of the woman) and have psychological ramifications with many women for years. So let’s not pretend it’s the same as lasing some cells out of the body. Abortions should not be just another form of birth control. It’s a very serious act that should have due process, even for the fetus. And certainly for minors the parents of the pregnant minor should be involved.
 
sk8knight said:
The state isn’t forcing her to keep her baby. The salt ate isn’t allowing her to terminate an unborn life. A life which should have rights of it’s own. Which you should acknowledge but make your argument easy by ignoring.
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People make this argument, not realizing that ...

A) They are forcing her to take the child to term (It's no picnic)
B) Yes, many states do end up forcing her to keep the baby too (look up the statitsics, and even some lawsuits)
C) This isn't like murdering a neighbor or someone else, where if you don't like them, you can just leave ... this is a child you're utterly responsible for some 18+ years

Men don't have to deal with that. Which brings me to ...

sk8knight said:
Abortions carry physical risk (even of death of the woman)
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Again, statements like this just show the ignorance of those against Pro-Choice.

If it's illegal, there will be even greater physical risk.

sk8knight said:
and have psychological ramifications with many women for years.
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You know you just made the same argument the 'Woke' make why the state must interfere on-behalf of 4-7yo olds with regards to gender identity, by stinting hormones, puberty and even general reassignment surgery.

Me? I say the state and their guns GTFO, and only serves as a regulator.

sk8knight said:
So let’s not pretend it’s the same as lasing some cells out of the body. Abortions should not be just another form of birth control.
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I don't know a single woman that ever argues such.

At most, some try to justify they are helping stem cell research, which I *DO* have a real problem with.

sk8knight said:
It’s a very serious act that should have due process, even for the fetus. And certainly for minors the parents of the pregnant minor should be involved.
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So ... the parent gets to make a choice for their 16 year old daughter until she's 35?! Interesting concept. Or even just the pregnancy term for her next 6-8 months?!

Sorry, but no.

I'm 100% for parental notification. But 100% against parental consent. That also shows how much it's a male viewpoint.

I 100% back the parents over the state in what they should do with their child ... but the child still has rights to their body and life.
 
Your entire argument is undermined by the fact that the woman is making the choice to carry a baby to term when she engages in the reproductive act. Period. Except in cases of rape and incest, she has full control over that moment in time. Everything after that is escaping responsibility for the choice that she made.

You try to represent the moment of choice as being when she decides to terminate. That is a fallacy. Her choice came well before that.
 
As for the parents making a choice for their 16 year old. Yes, that is the way it works. The 16-year old brain is not fully formed nor do they have the experience necessary to make major life choices. That’s why the age of majority is 18. It’s not that hard.
 
sk8knight said:
Your entire argument is undermined by the fact that the woman is making the choice to carry a baby to term when she engages in the reproductive act. Period.
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Give me a break. Are you going to seriously tell us with a straight face that all men are making the conscious choice to have a baby when they engage in 'the reproductive act'?
 
DaShuckster said:
Give me a break. Are you going to seriously tell us with a straight face that all men are making the conscious choice to have a baby when they engage in 'the reproductive act'?
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No, of course not. Neither are the women. But that is the reality of the situation. Is it really better for our society to pretend that sex is harmless recreation? I don’t know.
 
DaShuckster said:
Hmmm....do you think the right's efforts to destroy Planned Parenthood might have something to do with the United States having an appallingly high infant mortality rate (We're talking living, breathing babies who died) compared to other developed nations around the world (we're ranked around 42nd.) What's wrong with this picture?
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Right out of the gate, the infant fatality rate is a bunk statistic. Most countries don't count infant mortality for newborns until they are a few months old so it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Second of all, our abortion laws are already some of the most liberal in the world, amongst the likes of China, North Korea, and Singapore. It's easier to get an abortion in Utah than it is in all but one European nation.
 
Crazyhole said:
Right out of the gate, the infant fatality rate is a bunk statistic. Most countries don't count infant mortality for newborns until they are a few months old so it isn't an apples to apples comparison.
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LOL Did you learn this from some joker on Twitter? :)

If 'most countries' don't count infant mortality the same way we do, show me where you got your information.
 
Short of having a pregnancy registry, what enforcement mechanism is there to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term? If abortions are deemed illegal, what about intentional acts that lead to miscarriage? Are those also made illegal? And how does the government track these events since there is no record of a life until birth? Making it harder to get a safe abortion doesn’t eliminate abortions, it just makes them either more dangerous or only available to those who can afford to travel elsewhere to receive one. A disproportionate effect on the poor.
 
DaShuckster said:
LOL Did you learn this from some joker on Twitter? :)

If 'most countries' don't count infant mortality the same way we do, show me where you got your information.
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Why Is Infant Mortality Higher in the United States Than in Europe? - PMC

The US has higher infant mortality than peer countries. In this paper, we combine micro-data from the US with similar data from four European countries to investigate this US infant mortality disadvantage. The US disadvantage persists after ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"First, a well recognized problem is that countries vary in their reporting of births near the threshold of viability. Such reporting differences may generate misleading comparisons of how infant mortality varies across countries"
 



This has to be the most idiotic thing she has ever said, and that's saying something.
 
hemightbejeremy said:
Short of having a pregnancy registry, what enforcement mechanism is there to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term? If abortions are deemed illegal, what about intentional acts that lead to miscarriage? Are those also made illegal? And how does the government track these events since there is no record of a life until birth? Making it harder to get a safe abortion doesn’t eliminate abortions, it just makes them either more dangerous or only available to those who can afford to travel elsewhere to receive one. A disproportionate effect on the poor.
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Do you know whom is most at risk during an abortion? The unborn child being murdered. That’s the real danger.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Do you know whom is most at risk during an abortion? The unborn child being murdered. That’s the real danger.
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Rest easy, 85. Your like-minded SCOTUS buddies are going to turn over Roe v Wade so it will all be over soon.

Then we'll all get to see the obvious aftermath when States start sending unborn child murderers (women and their doctors) to prison for illegal abortions!

Since it 'takes two to tango,' I wonder if men will start getting charged for unborn child murder too. The woman didn't get pregnant by herself.
 
DaShuckster said:
Rest easy, 85. Your like-minded SCOTUS buddies are going to turn over Roe v Wade so it will all be over soon.

Then we'll all get to see the obvious aftermath when States start sending unborn child murderers (women and their doctors) to prison for illegal abortions!

Since it 'takes two to tango,' I wonder if men will start getting charged for unborn child murder too. The woman didn't get pregnant by herself.
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Oh no! The systematic mass slaughter of unborn children may be slowed a bit.

As a “Christian” this must make you so mad. The more mass slaughtered unborn children the better, am I right?
 
DaShuckster said:
Rest easy, 85. Your like-minded SCOTUS buddies are going to turn over Roe v Wade so it will all be over soon.

Then we'll all get to see the obvious aftermath when States start sending unborn child murderers (women and their doctors) to prison for illegal abortions!

Since it 'takes two to tango,' I wonder if men will start getting charged for unborn child murder too. The woman didn't get pregnant by herself.
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Why would any woman have to get an illegal abortion? Just drive a few hours and you'll find a place where it's legal.
 
DaShuckster said:
If Roe gets overturned, it will be illegal everywhere -- for women without connections.
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You need to find different news outlets. Overturning Roe just means that each state will decide what to do with the issue. It will not be a federal ban on abortion.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Oh no! The systematic mass slaughter of unborn children may be slowed a bit.

As a “Christian” this must make you so mad. The more mass slaughtered unborn children the better, am I right?
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You'd much rather those children grow up to be fondled by priests.

These aren't "unborn children." They are cells. You are humanizing something which is not yet a sentient human. Most every civilized country in the world has made this determination, with scientific backing, but right-wingers in 'Murica still have an issue for some reason.
And you wonder why everything thinks you're idiots?
 
chemmie said:
You'd much rather those children grow up to be fondled by priests.

These aren't "unborn children." They are cells. You are humanizing something which is not yet a sentient human. Most every civilized country in the world has made this determination, with scientific backing, but right-wingers in 'Murica still have an issue for some reason.
And you wonder why everything thinks you're idiots?
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Simple question: when does life end?
 
Crazyhole said:
Because if you can define when life ends, then you can define when life begins. So what defines death?
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Lol. I knew exactly where you were trying to go.
Unfortunately for you, that isn't how science and logic work.
 
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chemmie said:
These aren't "unborn children." They are cells. You are humanizing something which is not yet a sentient human.
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And using it to justify turning poor women into breeding slaves.

Anyone who believes overturning Roe will have a 'positive' societal impact is naive as hell.
 
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chemmie said:
Lol. I knew exactly where you were trying to go.
Unfortunately for you, that isn't how science and logic work.
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What's funny is that you refuse to answer the question because you know it destroys your "blob of cells" fallacy.
 
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Crazyhole said:
What's funny is that you refuse to answer the question because you know it destroys your "blob of cells" fallacy.
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No. It doesn't. In fact, it is an actual logical fallacy.

Whereas the "blob of cells," even if I was wrong for saying it, wouldn't be a logical fallacy. It would just be in incorrect statement.

I know you're not the smartest corn farmer in the barn, but don't use big words if you don't know what they mean.
 
chemmie said:
No. It doesn't. In fact, it is an actual logical fallacy.

Whereas the "blob of cells," even if I was wrong for saying it, wouldn't be a logical fallacy. It would just be in incorrect statement.

I know you're not the smartest corn farmer in the barn, but don't use big words if you don't know what they mean.
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You're going to argue with me over a term that mean "false"? Why not just answer the question and see if you can prove me wrong.
 
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Crazyhole said:
You're going to argue with me over a term that mean "false"? Why not just answer the question and see if you can prove me wrong.
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LOL.
I won't be able to "prove you wrong" because your argument will be AN ACTUAL FALLACY.

Stick to barn storming, Cleetus.
 
chemmie said:
LOL.
I won't be able to "prove you wrong" because your argument will be AN ACTUAL FALLACY.

Stick to barn storming, Cleetus.
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Ah, and right to the insults. It's like clockwork with you libs. Can't answer a question so you just name call and then run away.
 
Crazyhole said:
Ah, and right to the insults. It's like clockwork with you libs. Can't answer a question so you just name call and then run away.
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People who make terrible arguments deserve to be insulted.

So, life ends when your heart stops beating, and the mind and body cease function, forever. Now what? (I know exactly what you're going to say)
 
chemmie said:
People who make terrible arguments deserve to be insulted.

So, life ends when your heart stops beating, and the mind and body cease function, forever. Now what? (I know exactly what you're going to say)
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Nothing more, but thank you for defining life.
 
Crazyhole said:
Less so than your assertion that overturning Roe will mean we'll have a nationwide abortion ban. Are you still sticking with that one or just running away like you always do after being caught with your pants down?
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Yes, you are correct. I misspoke. We'll basically have red state bans. You can pull my pants up now.
 
chemmie said:
No. It doesn't. In fact, it is an actual logical fallacy.

Whereas the "blob of cells," even if I was wrong for saying it, wouldn't be a logical fallacy. It would just be in incorrect statement.

I know you're not the smartest corn farmer in the barn, but don't use big words if you don't know what they mean.
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Ah yes, the lefts favorite thing - the total dehumanization of unborn children to justify their mass slaughter.

I’ve been through 3 pregnancy verification ultrasounds now with my wife - never once did I see a “blob of cells”. I saw a human child, with human body parts, and a beating heart.

If you want to excuse your acceptance of the mass slaughter of unborn children for matters of convenience then fine, at least be honest about it.
 
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DaShuckster said:
And using it to justify turning poor women into breeding slaves.

Anyone who believes overturning Roe will have a 'positive' societal impact is naive as hell.
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Who is turning poor women into breeding slaves? I know you just use moronic hyperbole but really, WTF are you talking about?
 
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