This time a measles outbreak in Washington.
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Anti-Vaxxers at it Again
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incredibly stupid. i saw one antivax mom on facebook was asking what kinds of precautions she should take to keep her kids safe from it.
self awareness level = 0
self awareness level = 0
Oregon and Washington have the loosest exemption laws in the country.
Even more troubling: There are likely to be more at-risk children in those public places than in most of the rest of the country.That’s because Oregon and Washington are more permissive than other states when it comes to allowing parents to opt out of vaccines — and many parents have been taking advantage of that.
In Clark County, 7.9 percent of children had gotten exemptions from vaccines for entry to kindergarten in the 2017-’18 school year, according to the Washington Post. And across the river in Oregon, the rate of vaccine exemptions has sharply increased lately, from 5.8 percent in 2015 to 7.5 percent in 2018. That’s much higher than the national average, which suggests 2 percent of children go unvaccinated for nonmedical reasons.
Even more troubling: There are likely to be more at-risk children in those public places than in most of the rest of the country.That’s because Oregon and Washington are more permissive than other states when it comes to allowing parents to opt out of vaccines — and many parents have been taking advantage of that.
In Clark County, 7.9 percent of children had gotten exemptions from vaccines for entry to kindergarten in the 2017-’18 school year, according to the Washington Post. And across the river in Oregon, the rate of vaccine exemptions has sharply increased lately, from 5.8 percent in 2015 to 7.5 percent in 2018. That’s much higher than the national average, which suggests 2 percent of children go unvaccinated for nonmedical reasons.
Yep, those pesky French-Algerian, Somali, Orthodox Jewish, et al. 'Fox News watching right wingers' are all to blame!
Progressives will continue to try to fit that square peg into a round hole, going after the clear minority, because it's the narrative, not the statistical reality.
I kid you not, but I actually had someone on Facebook respond, "Well, the CDC didn't document their political alignment, so you can't tell me they aren't right-wing anti-vaxxers."
He literally thought only anti-vaxxers are the only under-vaccinated, and totally ignores all sorts of other communities, immigrants, etc...
This isn’t just progressives. I know just as many right-wing conspiracy theory nutcases that believe this stuff as those left-wing crunchy mom’s.
Big pharma pushes a lot of innoculations, man of them for things that have virtually no mortality rate, and are not very communicable ... yet they are so new, the risk factors are unknown.
This is why, sometimes, the CDC is pushing an innoculation at the same time FDA is pulling one (or more) of the options from the market. And that gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition.
As always, doctors, knowledge, etc...
E.g., I don't get MDV shots from those 'busses' because the mercury cannot cancel out for ineptitude of some technicians who still manage to spread stuff from person-to-person. There's a reason those forms they make you sign exist.
Also, beyond getting a SDV, avoid people, go home and go to bed after an innoculation that is known to weaken the immune system for 8-12 (if not 24) hours.
E.g., I get flu shots late Friday for a reason, and at a pharmacy that offers a SDV.
I also don't have VZV in my system, so please don't say I need a Shingles vaccine at my age.
I cannot get the Shingles until I have VZV in my system, and the Singles innoculation, as well as the Chicken Pox innoculation, will introduce it. All my doctors absolutely agree with me on this, it's very likely I have a natural immunity to it.
And even if not, mortality rates for Chicken Pox as an adult, even elderly, are not only so low, but more importantly ... when my immune system is weakened, there's no chance of the VZV coming out as Shingles if I don't have VZV in my system, which does complicate most diseases as an elder!!! I.e., Shingles is not communicable!
Now if I ever get chicken pox at some point, if I can at all, and VZV does make it into my system, I will very much get regular Shingle innoculations on-schedule, into my age. But people telling me things at odds that my doctors and I agree upon -- let alone people thinking you can get Shingles without VZV in your system -- gets old.
I'm not the ignorant one, but actually the educated one.
And even if not, mortality rates for Chicken Pox as an adult, even elderly, are not only so low, but more importantly ... when my immune system is weakened, there's no chance of the VZV coming out as Shingles if I don't have VZV in my system, which does complicate most diseases as an elder!!! I.e., Shingles is not communicable!
Now if I ever get chicken pox at some point, if I can at all, and VZV does make it into my system, I will very much get regular Shingle innoculations on-schedule, into my age. But people telling me things at odds that my doctors and I agree upon -- let alone people thinking you can get Shingles without VZV in your system -- gets old.
I'm not the ignorant one, but actually the educated one.
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I'm just here waiting for an anti vax nut job to post. 
I'm just here waiting for an anti vax nut job to post.
We should hunt her down
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Understand both Big Pharma and Governments, like the UK's NIH, have reason to demonize some doctors.
Take Dr Richard Halvorsen for example. The UK's NIH successfullly painted him as an anti-vaxxer who claims they cause autism, and has censored his work. Why?
He literally did the statistics and dismissed, not promoted, but dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism by literally lining up the raw statistics and said, in the absolute worst case, it couldn't be worse than 1 in 800 ... in just tracking kids who were vaccinated at a certain age and ended up with autism. Not that the kids became autistic because of the vaccines. He was saying it that even if you could 100% blame a whole pool of vaccines in the UK for autism, it'd still be only a 0.125% chance, and near negligable. So there is no reason to link vaccines to autism on any scale.
So why did the UK NIH do this then?
Because the UK NIH has a literal textbook on when people get vaccinated. And those are in mass innoculations that are dozens at a very young, infant age. Why? Cost. Why?
Because Halvorsen, like a lot of doctors, have literally pointed to study after study outside the UK where the rate of complications, allergies and other issues -- especially with the inert ingredients often used in mass produced innoculations, as well as for incubating dead and even live cultures -- do matter when it comes to age. There are many that are recommended to be done after 12 months, others that are recommended to be done in-between because of the fragile immune system of kids.
He also has been critical of the ones with poor vaccine efficacy, and were rushed into the market by lobbying and control, especially when the mortality rate was negligible.
So they painted him as an anti-vaxxer with the autism comment, not that he was saying they caused autism. He was doing the opposite, that autism -- even if later proven -- is still miniscule compared to many mortality rates, and he's pro-vaccine. He's just being objective, by admitting, yes, some inert additive or something else may eventually be linked to it in some sort of vaccine. But that's not the argument, the argument is what do your kids need, and when should they get it.
And that means, to the 'factory' of the UK NIH, and the volume businesses behind it, you guessed it, cost! So they have all the reason to go after him, and it's amazing how many doctors, not using their real names, will admit to the fact that he's not wrong.
The same thing happens here in the US too. It also happens when it comes to medical implants as well. They are poorly regulated, just like various inert aspects of innoculations.
The US FDA is overwhelmed and literally has to count on industry in so many cases. The US CDC is not interested in individual well-being, so that's why they can be at odds with the FDA sometimes (e.g., promoting HPV innoculations at the same time the FDA finally yanked one of them, and under great, commercial protest by the developer).
This is why many of us who cannot stand the anti-vaxxers who don't get any vaccines or many that we deem necessary, are just as frustrated with the pro-vaxxers who constantly tell us to get everything.
Especially as I am 45 and don't have VZV in my system. No, I cannot get Shingles. If I get the chicken pox as some point, yes, I will get regular Shingles innoculations. But I'm not introducing VZL into my system, which gives me VZV. The medical community has been raising this question for some time, at least in the US, whereas they cannot in the UK.
And when I say "medical community," I mean actual MDs, not everyday technicians in the MDV shot bus that shows up at your work with the latest flu innoculation, and has you sign waivers if they didn't do their job right. MDVs are typically safe, when done right, but mercury also doesn't kill everything either.
Take Dr Richard Halvorsen for example. The UK's NIH successfullly painted him as an anti-vaxxer who claims they cause autism, and has censored his work. Why?
He literally did the statistics and dismissed, not promoted, but dismissed the notion that vaccines cause autism by literally lining up the raw statistics and said, in the absolute worst case, it couldn't be worse than 1 in 800 ... in just tracking kids who were vaccinated at a certain age and ended up with autism. Not that the kids became autistic because of the vaccines. He was saying it that even if you could 100% blame a whole pool of vaccines in the UK for autism, it'd still be only a 0.125% chance, and near negligable. So there is no reason to link vaccines to autism on any scale.
So why did the UK NIH do this then?
Because the UK NIH has a literal textbook on when people get vaccinated. And those are in mass innoculations that are dozens at a very young, infant age. Why? Cost. Why?
Because Halvorsen, like a lot of doctors, have literally pointed to study after study outside the UK where the rate of complications, allergies and other issues -- especially with the inert ingredients often used in mass produced innoculations, as well as for incubating dead and even live cultures -- do matter when it comes to age. There are many that are recommended to be done after 12 months, others that are recommended to be done in-between because of the fragile immune system of kids.
He also has been critical of the ones with poor vaccine efficacy, and were rushed into the market by lobbying and control, especially when the mortality rate was negligible.
So they painted him as an anti-vaxxer with the autism comment, not that he was saying they caused autism. He was doing the opposite, that autism -- even if later proven -- is still miniscule compared to many mortality rates, and he's pro-vaccine. He's just being objective, by admitting, yes, some inert additive or something else may eventually be linked to it in some sort of vaccine. But that's not the argument, the argument is what do your kids need, and when should they get it.
And that means, to the 'factory' of the UK NIH, and the volume businesses behind it, you guessed it, cost! So they have all the reason to go after him, and it's amazing how many doctors, not using their real names, will admit to the fact that he's not wrong.
The same thing happens here in the US too. It also happens when it comes to medical implants as well. They are poorly regulated, just like various inert aspects of innoculations.
The US FDA is overwhelmed and literally has to count on industry in so many cases. The US CDC is not interested in individual well-being, so that's why they can be at odds with the FDA sometimes (e.g., promoting HPV innoculations at the same time the FDA finally yanked one of them, and under great, commercial protest by the developer).
This is why many of us who cannot stand the anti-vaxxers who don't get any vaccines or many that we deem necessary, are just as frustrated with the pro-vaxxers who constantly tell us to get everything.
Especially as I am 45 and don't have VZV in my system. No, I cannot get Shingles. If I get the chicken pox as some point, yes, I will get regular Shingles innoculations. But I'm not introducing VZL into my system, which gives me VZV. The medical community has been raising this question for some time, at least in the US, whereas they cannot in the UK.
And when I say "medical community," I mean actual MDs, not everyday technicians in the MDV shot bus that shows up at your work with the latest flu innoculation, and has you sign waivers if they didn't do their job right. MDVs are typically safe, when done right, but mercury also doesn't kill everything either.
Wow, for the millionth time, BS makes a thread about him. You are one selfish asshole.
You mean people like to use themselves as examples, when dealing with the masses who are sheep as a result of US media ignorance? Also ... have you ever met a parent who's child had complications from a 'safe' innoculation?
Yes, people use themselves as an examples. No, they are not 'anti-vaxxers.' They still believe in vaccines. But they also believe in education and informed decisions. But apparently they are idiots for not wanting to get every vaccine.
Even if the mortality rate is nothing, and the efficacy is currently under question by the FDA, especially as risk factors are being exposed.
Next thing you'll say is that I shouldn't need $2.5M to retire, and that's too much money, when I use that as an example of why the new 2020 Democratic Candidates are complete bad at math and total, popularist idiots. Why?
Because I like to use myself as an example of a 'real world case' of what it actually costs to retire by the late 2030s. We can also use my small business experience as another example.
Geez you Progressives are complete a-holes that don't care about the individual.
Didn't read, dumb ass. And not a progressive (just saw the last line). If you had any brain whatsoever, you'd know that by reading my posts. But you're a selfish asshole who can't think past first base. Now GFY and seek therapy.
When them refusing to get a vaccine can put everyone around them at risk of contracting a disease that we fuking eradicated 25 years ago then yes - they are idiots and they should be ridiculed.
Serious question: has BS made a single post that doesn't contain either the words "progressive" or "I'm a libertarian"?
Also has he ever made a post that wasn't completely batshit insane?
Also has he ever made a post that wasn't completely batshit insane?
I try not to be too hard on BS because he's not a bad person like some others. I'm sure hes very smart and he wants to have logical arguments and all that but he just isn't living in the same reality as me.
QUOTE="NinjaKnight, post: 1541624, member: 950"]Serious question: has BS made a single post that doesn't contain either the words "progressive" or "I'm a libertarian"?
Also has he ever made a post that wasn't completely batshit insane?[/QUOTE]
The answer to all your questions: no. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally.
Also has he ever made a post that wasn't completely batshit insane?[/QUOTE]
The answer to all your questions: no. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally.
The answer to all your questions: no. There is something seriously wrong with him mentally.[/QUOTE]
please stop quoting ninja. alot of users have him on ignore for a reason.
please stop quoting ninja. alot of users have him on ignore for a reason.[/QUOTE]
I will continue to quote him when I respond to him so my response is contextualized.
I will continue to quote him when I respond to him so my response is contextualized.[/QUOTE]
im fine with you talking with him, im just asking you to not modify the [ quote ] blocks so that i have to see his crap messages.
im fine with you talking with him, im just asking you to not modify the [ quote ] blocks so that i have to see his crap messages.[/QUOTE]
Glad I have your permission!!!
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.
Glad I have your permission!!!
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
You also have permission to remove that ugly Cubs 2016 WS banner in your signature. Offensive!
Glad I have your permission!!!
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
i got tired of his constant attacks and i put him on ignore. when it seemed we got a mod that would be fair, i took him off to report his posts. when it became clear that he wouldnt be banned even for some really bad posts, i put him back on ignore. all caught up?
QUOTE="UCFWayne, post: 1541656, member: 1830"]Glad I have your permission!!!
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
i got tired of his constant attacks and i put him on ignore. when it seemed we got a mod that would be fair, i took him off to report his posts. when it became clear that he wouldnt be banned even for some really bad posts, i put him back on ignore. all caught up?[/QUOTE]
You could have just said "I am a little snowflake" and saved me the drama.
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
i got tired of his constant attacks and i put him on ignore. when it seemed we got a mod that would be fair, i took him off to report his posts. when it became clear that he wouldnt be banned even for some really bad posts, i put him back on ignore. all caught up?[/QUOTE]
You could have just said "I am a little snowflake" and saved me the drama.
QUOTE="UCFKnight85, post: 1541655, member: 478"]Glad I have your permission!!!
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
You also have permission to remove that ugly Cubs 2016 WS banner in your signature. Offensive![/QUOTE]
It's beautiful.
You had him on ignore, off, on again, off to report---I can't keep up.[/QUOTE]
You also have permission to remove that ugly Cubs 2016 WS banner in your signature. Offensive![/QUOTE]
It's beautiful.
i got tired of his constant attacks and i put him on ignore. when it seemed we got a mod that would be fair, i took him off to report his posts. when it became clear that he wouldnt be banned even for some really bad posts, i put him back on ignore. all caught up?[/QUOTE]
I hate to be the bearer of bad news (AKA reality) but you don't actually give a shit about insults on here. You care about agreeing with people who have the same political position as you. You are literally 85's little message board bitch, and he has said some of the worst things on this board including telling people to kill themselves. Hell, you even like some of his post that are nothing but personal attacks.
I do apologize again for using facts and logic in the water cooler, I know it's not looked kindly upon.
Also Cubs suck. 85 and I are in agreement.
Vaccinnes aren't 100% effective and some people aren't able to get vaccinated due to actual medic reasons.
Google herd immunity.
I realize that. I'm allergic to the pertussis vaccination so I have to be aware when whooping cough outbreaks happen. Its just a funny thought to me that some people view vaccines as a panacea.
I mean, vaccines probably are the closest we have to a panacea, probably responsible for the most lives saved second only to modern sanitation.
I can't agree more. Its just funny to me when people get pissed at people for not getting x vaccination because it means their child who did is now at risk of getting the thing they supposedly are immune to. Kind of explains itself
I don't have kids so not sure exactly the ages but isn't the issue also newborns being at risk that aren't of age to get vaccinated yet?
There are concerns about the effects of pumping too many at one time into a child, but its a semantics discussion that the medical community should have.
Yep. Infants and the immuno comprised can't get vaccinated so the selfish assholes who chose not to get vaccinated put them at risk.
@Crazyhole the problem for those who do get vaccinated is it's not 100% effective. So even if you do get the vaccine it's possible for you to catch whatever disease is being spread by the antivaxers since herd immunity is diminished.
Here's the thing: the medical community had this conversation already. And they agree that children should be vaccinated and not doing so puts your child, and other children, at risk unnecessarily that they don't need to be in. Vaccines are administered to kids in extremely regimented and scheduled methods.
When we had our child we researched the crap out of this. My sister is a Practitioner. My cousin is a pediatrician. Whatever remote side effects from vaccination are outweighed 100000x by the benefits.
Yep.
That's why I don't understand people who get pissed off at me for not having the Chicken Pox innoculation. Forget the mortality rate. And I never get tired of the ignorance on the facts of Shingles.
If I ever get Chicken Pox, yes, I will get the Shingles innoculation after that. But until then, and VZV is actually in my system, all my docs have always agreed, no need. I can never get Shingles until it's introduced.
This whole issue only affects me, not others. That's what I don't understand. I cannot get the Shingles, so I cannot spread VZV! People who have had Chicken Pox can get Shingles and can spread it!
People think the Chicken Pox innoculation helps your body build up an immunity. No, it introduces the virus -- which stays with one for life, including causing the Shingles whenever the immune system is weakened (one of the biggest, combo-complication diseases) -- which the body never defeats.
Those of us without VZV, and there's a growing argument that some immune systems are capable of preventing it from entering via communicable methods (more research is needed, just like more is needed on the VZL innoculation themselves) are not the problem at all. Again, we really don't know what the innoculation is doing, and there's a good argument it's efficacy is not good at all. That defeats the purpose with such an extremely low rate of mortality, because the statistics aren't coming down, while Shingles are going up, way up -- although there's no proof of what is causing that at this time.
Now if you do have VZV in your system, yes, get the Shingles innoculation, and on the recommended schedule. Once VZV is in your system, you need to take it seriously as you age. Insurance usually won't pay for it before 60, but it's worth the $300 or so in your 50s, even late 40s, depending on health. Because it can attack when you're weak, and what the innoculation does is artificially 'draw it out,' so your body can 're-learn' how to 'fight it.'
And that's my other problem ...
Stop the insanity with the "innoculation busses"! Why?
- MDV vials are not 100% safe, mercury doesn't kill everything, plus ...
- Technicians are not RNs or others, and they don't know what they are doing (there's growing documentation on this), leading to ...
- Contamination, transfer, etc... from one person to another, but most of all ...
- Even if you believe the "vaccination busses" are 100% safe, don't go back into the office or public areas, instead ...
- Go home, rest, as your immune system will be weakened, and it's the best time to catch something else ... right after many, common innoculations!
I'm tired of the US media and the attitude that is poor and ineffective. But businesses love the busses, just like big pharma loves the rate of new innoculations and, even more so, medical implants that are even less regulated.
And in the US, we do. I think the US media and the "you're a stupid anti-vaxxer and cause all the issues" folk, literally miss that.
In the UK, that's not the case. The NIH started coming under fire earlier this decade for mass innoculations at a young age, well before 12 months, and plenty of stuff even US school districts don't require, and it turned around and started smearing doctors. Why? Look at the corporations involved, very scary, kinda akin to a movie I saw last decade.
Since it's a single payer socialist system over there, and they even go after doctors who opt for 'independent consultation,' (since their options for practicing are limited). it's put an entire chill on the medical community. If you 'get out of line,' you'll be left writing books and nothing else.At least the FDA and CDC don't always agree here in the US, and people are free to question things. I do get tired of people not reading the FDA and CDC reports.
Case-in-point: It's not right-wing Fox News watchers that are causing the supermajority of Measles outbreaks in the US.
Furthermore, Mexico is having the same rate as the US, even though they have a 96% vaccination rate to the US' 92%.
Define "selfish"? I don't understand your absolutist, 1-dimensional, demonizing attitude.
Over in the UK, they've kinda taken -- what I call -- the "Catholic approach." I.e., like Catholics who baptize kids so they can "go to heaven, just in case they die," the UK NIH has been pushing that attitude with younger and younger kids, where they aren't immunized at such a young age, and not with so many in so little batches, 'just in case'
And we're currently undergoing a major series of issues with Indian and Chinese medicines and vials. I don't think people realize how bad it's getting. Beyond the culture and other sustainment aspects, impurities are getting out-of-control. And the FDA really doesn't exactly have a lot of people to track things, and relies on the industry too much.
Obviously you don't fully understand 'herd immunity.'
Furthermore, in the case of VZL, you're going to see an increased amount of studies trying to find out why the rate of Shingles are up. Is it because we're less healthy into our older age, and that means our immune systems are more compromised? (they've already dismissed HIV and Hep-C, it's people without them as well) Or is it the number of VZL innoculations since the mid '90s? Especially the Chicken Pox innoculation, not so much the Shingles (since people already have VZV at that point).
Right now, it's going to be difficult. But in another 10-20 years, we'll have more data points to interpolate. I.e., far more kids are getting VZL now, than just 10 let alone 20 years ago, not just adults.
And you can be sure of one thing ... if there is evidence to go against the VZL innoculation, big pharma will fight it. Just like Merck did for years, until the FDA couldn't ignore the rate of complications with how they were culturing and packaging their HPV innoculation -- even as the CDC was still promoting it, and Merck was wining'n dining doctors and regulators. The lawsuits are not from anti-vaxxers, but thousands of children with complications (not autism) over a cocktail 'rushed to market' (especially since there were other competitors too).
Understand it's things like that which give ammunition to the anti-vaxxers, because it really did happen, and 'safe' can be easily disproven. This is where the Liberals are disagreeing with Progressives, heavily, as Big Pharma and the US media are on the same page, and there's a lot of assumptions out there that contradict science.
And don't get me started on medical implants. That's even worse.
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Yep.
That's why I don't understand people who get pissed off at me for not having the Chicken Pox innoculation. Forget the mortality rate. And I never get tired of the ignorance on the facts of Shingles.
If I ever get Chicken Pox, yes, I will get the Shingles innoculation after that. But until then, and VZV is actually in my system, all my docs have always agreed, no need. I can never get Shingles until it's introduced.
This whole issue only affects me, not others. That's what I don't understand. I cannot get the Shingles, so I cannot spread VZV! People who have had Chicken Pox can get Shingles and can spread it!
People think the Chicken Pox innoculation helps your body build up an immunity. No, it introduces the virus -- which stays with one for life, including causing the Shingles whenever the immune system is weakened (one of the biggest, combo-complication diseases) -- which the body never defeats.
Those of us without VZV, and there's a growing argument that some immune systems are capable of preventing it from entering via communicable methods (more research is needed, just like more is needed on the VZL innoculation themselves) are not the problem at all. Again, we really don't know what the innoculation is doing, and there's a good argument it's efficacy is not good at all. That defeats the purpose with such an extremely low rate of mortality, because the statistics aren't coming down, while Shingles are going up, way up -- although there's no proof of what is causing that at this time.
Now if you do have VZV in your system, yes, get the Shingles innoculation, and on the recommended schedule. Once VZV is in your system, you need to take it seriously as you age. Insurance usually won't pay for it before 60, but it's worth the $300 or so in your 50s, even late 40s, depending on health. Because it can attack when you're weak, and what the innoculation does is artificially 'draw it out,' so your body can 're-learn' how to 'fight it.'
And that's my other problem ...
Stop the insanity with the "innoculation busses"! Why?
That's why I always go get a SDV, on a Friday, and go home, go to be early, get an extended nights sleep (12 hours), and my body totally makes 100% full use of that low impact time to knock the heck out of the bug -- especially if it's live, and not dead (body needs to fight the live, and cannot learn from its DNA dead.
- MDV vials are not 100% safe, mercury doesn't kill everything, plus ...
- Technicians are not RNs or others, and they don't know what they are doing (there's growing documentation on this), leading to ...
- Contamination, transfer, etc... from one person to another, but most of all ...
- Even if you believe the "vaccination busses" are 100% safe, don't go back into the office or public areas, instead ...
- Go home, rest, as your immune system will be weakened, and it's the best time to catch something else ... right after many, common innoculations!
I'm tired of the US media and the attitude that is poor and ineffective. But businesses love the busses, just like big pharma loves the rate of new innoculations and, even more so, medical implants that are even less regulated.
And in the US, we do. I think the US media and the "you're a stupid anti-vaxxer and cause all the issues" folk, literally miss that.
In the UK, that's not the case. The NIH started coming under fire earlier this decade for mass innoculations at a young age, well before 12 months, and plenty of stuff even US school districts don't require, and it turned around and started smearing doctors. Why? Look at the corporations involved, very scary, kinda akin to a movie I saw last decade.
At least the FDA and CDC don't always agree here in the US, and people are free to question things. I do get tired of people not reading the FDA and CDC reports.
Case-in-point: It's not right-wing Fox News watchers that are causing the supermajority of Measles outbreaks in the US.
Furthermore, Mexico is having the same rate as the US, even though they have a 96% vaccination rate to the US' 92%.
Define "selfish"? I don't understand your absolutist, 1-dimensional, demonizing attitude.
Over in the UK, they've kinda taken -- what I call -- the "Catholic approach." I.e., like Catholics who baptize kids so they can "go to heaven, just in case they die," the UK NIH has been pushing that attitude with younger and younger kids, where they aren't immunized at such a young age, and not with so many in so little batches, 'just in case'
And we're currently undergoing a major series of issues with Indian and Chinese medicines and vials. I don't think people realize how bad it's getting. Beyond the culture and other sustainment aspects, impurities are getting out-of-control. And the FDA really doesn't exactly have a lot of people to track things, and relies on the industry too much.
Obviously you don't fully understand 'herd immunity.'
Furthermore, in the case of VZL, you're going to see an increased amount of studies trying to find out why the rate of Shingles are up. Is it because we're less healthy into our older age, and that means our immune systems are more compromised? (they've already dismissed HIV and Hep-C, it's people without them as well) Or is it the number of VZL innoculations since the mid '90s? Especially the Chicken Pox innoculation, not so much the Shingles (since people already have VZV at that point).
Right now, it's going to be difficult. But in another 10-20 years, we'll have more data points to interpolate. I.e., far more kids are getting VZL now, than just 10 let alone 20 years ago, not just adults.
And you can be sure of one thing ... if there is evidence to go against the VZL innoculation, big pharma will fight it. Just like Merck did for years, until the FDA couldn't ignore the rate of complications with how they were culturing and packaging their HPV innoculation -- even as the CDC was still promoting it, and Merck was wining'n dining doctors and regulators. The lawsuits are not from anti-vaxxers, but thousands of children with complications (not autism) over a cocktail 'rushed to market' (especially since there were other competitors too).
Understand it's things like that which give ammunition to the anti-vaxxers, because it really did happen, and 'safe' can be easily disproven. This is where the Liberals are disagreeing with Progressives, heavily, as Big Pharma and the US media are on the same page, and there's a lot of assumptions out there that contradict science.
And don't get me started on medical implants. That's even worse.
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