What
'beat down'?! I actually
agree with @tribbleorlfl on most everything!
You guys debate on a 3rd grader level. That's why nothing gets solved. That's why I threw the censored f-bomb at all of you doing it too. You guys will argue with each other ... until I come in, and require deep understanding. So then you'll both stop your bickering to hate me.
At least
@tribbleorlfl is deep, which I can respect. That's why I agree with most everything he said. Now, it's just on him to
recognize what I actually said! Not what you 3rd graders think.
Now, let's go through his post ...
No, you're mis-reading what I'm saying, because your applying the anti-vaxxer template.
But that said, thank you for actually reading and taking the time to understand. I hope this response clears everything up ...
Then you're not understanding what some of these newer vaccines are, pushed by Big Pharma. Please research exactly what the VZL is.
I use the term
'inoculation' for a reason. In reality, things like VZL aren't really either a vaccine or inoculation, as people use them. I use the term
'innoculation' to purposely demonize Big Pharma, because things like VZL aren't exactly a vaccine that eradicates or prevents things.
You still get the live virus. You can get Shingles later in life as a result of the Chicken Pox vaccine. Those who haven't had it, and have not had the vaccine, cannot. That's why it's far more like an
'inoculation.'
People should think of VZL as kinda like
"training your body." You need them regularly for them to work, especially later in life in the case of the Shingles. Same with the flu shot.
Can we agree on that, for starters?
Exactly! We 100% agree.
The thing here is ... among their half-truths, there is still a modicum of truth.
The FDA is in a serious
'fight' with Big Pharma over efficacy.
And why I don't believe for a second that vaccines are behind
Correct! Which brings me to ...
Or our bodies won't take it in via airbourne or touch communicable methods. Yes, that's where we 1% come from!
There is a theory that we literally have direct fluid exchange to get it. My brother had chicken pox, and I played with all the same toys he did, and 'roughhoused' like a pair of Irish Twins do.
Exactly! Exactly! Exactly!!! Thank you!!!
Thank you!!!
I.e., if one more Pro-Vaxxer tells me I can get the Shingles -- the
"worse form of Chicken Pox" -- because I've never had the Chicken Pox ... grrrr!!!
But how much more than the Shingles, including those who had the Chicken Pox as a kid, then the Shingles inoculation?!?!?!
That's where the
statistics get interesting! Read on ...
Correct! And in the same regard, after much discussions of all my 'exposures' to it, and the fact that VZV isn't in my system, the doctors all agree ... I might be that outlier 1%.
Because the
chance of me
dying or
having complications from Chicken Pox
as an adult is lower than if I get the Shingles, even if I've had the Shingles innoculation.
If I don't have VZV in my system, I can never have that! And there's good evidence that there are many of us that cannot get it through common methods. I'd literally have to transfer the virus directly into my blood.
Now do you see
what I'm actually saying?!
Now if I do ever get the Chicken Pox ... yes, I will start getting VZL inocuations on schedule. But not until then.
This is what my doctor and I have long discussed.
Correct, it's extremely effective. No argument!
But it
does not prevent sloppy technicians from transferring germs in other ways. That's why I never get MDVs. People think the mercury stops things that have
nothing to do with the mercury.
A SDV doesn't have any of those issues. It still has some issues, but not several of the issues with transference that MDV does. A lot of these really have to do with the greater
'bus mentality.' Which brings me to ...
Correct, we're in
100% agreement.
No, no, no, that's
not what I
said!
I said sloppy technicians f'up MDVs regularly. Their release of liability forms here in the US are a reason for that! Have you seen some of the lawsuits where those get pulled? And I don't just mean because of the Mercury allergy either.
Do you know how many times pro-vaxxers, even technicians, tell me that the mercury prevents any transference? And when I try to explain to them otherwise, they literally think I'm an anti-vaxxer?
Did I ever tell you about I had a major blood clot --
twice -- giving blood on a bus? The 2nd time I had to go get the RN on-staff, and she finally put the f'ing technician in their damn place!
The same f'ing morons giving flu MDVs on those busses are the same f'ing morons on blood bank busses.
Correct! But the immune system is in a weakened state.
What is one of the major side effects of the flu shot in the elderly? Tell me. And it's really a misnomer, because it's not a 'side effect,' but more of a result of the immune system being 'busy.'
That's why I advocate SDV flu shots and a
good rest after. It not only keeps you from having other issues, but it maximizes the efficacy of the flu shot!
Now do you see what I'm saying, and not what these fools debating at a 3rd grade level are saying and assuming?! I think we agree!
Dude, we're so in agreement here. I think your biggest mistake is not paying attention to the details of what I'm saying.
As you know, everything is about ...
risk v. reward -- the communicability + mortality (or risk of complications) + efficacy
There is also the reality that efficiacy doesn't just have to do with effectiveness, immediately, but long term.
Which is why flu shots change, and an update recommended, even if one's been vaccinated against the same strand of the flu before.
So ... agreed all around here, right?
But yet pro-vaxxers say every HPV shot on the market was safe, which gives the damn anti-vaxxers an immediate counter! That's my problem. The pro-vaxxers need to shut up because they are giving the anti-vaxxers ammo!
Because as you know, the cultures and substrates and other things are also a factor, especially the mediums and non-reactants (that end up being reactants in some people). That's the problem! There are lawsuits on this now, because of reality.
Yes, the HPV vaccine itself is looking really good. I 100% believe in the HPV vaccine, but it came around too late in my generation to have high efficacy. I strongly recommend it to all Gen-Y'ers.
But remember ... some implements that were rushed-to-market and freak'n distributed without consideration ended up being a major liability! There are lawsuits for a reason, and it's not just anti-vaxxers!
That's why the pro-vaxxers need to STFU because there really was a Big Pharma issue there. The CDC and FDA
not being on the same page at one point only made it worse too.
What anti-vaxxer argument? I'm arguing against pro-vaxxers on everything, the state deciding for everyone, without option, as much as anti-vaxxers.
Why did you paint me an anti-vaxxer? Don't you understand I agree with most of your points! The problem here is ... too many here don't. Have you seen what Shingles does to people, even those that have had the vaccine?
It would be one thing if VZL prevents me from not only not get getting the Chicken Pox, but after, Shingles. But it cannot. That's the why VZV and VZL is such a complex argument.
Because ... statistically ... I'm
more likely to die or have
major skin issues from Shingles, than Chicken Pox right now. Again, I'm one of those
'case studies' that are part of a new group, ones the UK NIH outlawed, but the AMA is very interested in.
So ...
we actually agree on a lot here! Yes?
^^^ This is the problem. This attitude right here. You want me to choose, when in reality, I refuse to do so ... because it destroys objectivity.
Yes I agree with Liberals, and even Progressives at times.
Yes I agree with Conservatives, and even Religious Right at times.
But no, not 100%.
But the attack on a woman's right to choose and the attack on a person's right to defend themselves are
the exact same from a Constitutional reality.
Both are
supported rights by a supermajority of Americans, and because of that,
opponents of both use laws to attempt to make them
illegal to exercise in most cases at all,
bypassing Constitutional process to get
the same effect.
Do you see that now? That's what Libertarians almost universally complain about. The left and right use the same strategy to
bypass Constitutional process to destroy civil rights.
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