Are there any TV "experts" here?
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anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
I have a 4K, the Samsung hu9000 55-inch. Do not listen to the other knuckleheads. If you can afford it, get it. Especially if you have a PC or laptop that you can hook up to it. There is a TON of 4K content online that you can download and watch, plus you will be future-proofed for at LEAST a decade. I have a 4K video camera that works beautifully, and video editing using a computer plugged into the TV looks friggin' amazing.
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Also, 3d, although not AS popular as before, did not "come and go". It is still prevalent in home theaters, still has a market share and demand. Passive 3d is starting to be featured on newer sets using the non-active glasses like at theater.
Do NOT be afraid of refurbished. Why? Usually the piece that was repaired (if circuit related) is hand-fixed, and the solder joint is stronger than the machine soldering done in manufacturing. I know how to repair TVs, FYI...if anyone needs it.
Addendum for more expert advice: One other thing that you should consider is the manufacturer of the actual video panel on the TV. They vary. It is a myth to believe that Samsung, for example, makes all their own panels. There are actually 4 different manufacturers that make the actual panels for Samsung. Do research into the panel origin, then purchase the TV based on that...not the name brand on the TV itself. Here's a link describing some of this here.
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You can easily get a good 55" 1080p TV now for $600. In 5 years you'll be able to get a better TV than the one you just paid $1250 for another $600. Spending twice the amount of money now in the hopes that it will last you 10 years is idiotic. Why would you buy a 4k TV for video editing? Get a 4k monitor for that. 3d is dumb. Period.
The OP clearly has no plans to hook up a PC to his TV and is clearly not trying to do any video editing with it. The only knucklehead here is you.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
Oh shut the hell up. He was looking for expert opinion and input and I gave it. I'm licensed to repair.
And 4K is the best image, non-disputable and many are in price range of 1080p. Fact.
LOL so a TV repair guy is now an expert on TV technology? GTFO.
You didn't respond to his post. He was asking what was worth the money. He is clearly not going to be doing the things you said a 4k TV is good for. Ergo your "advice" is total garbage. Sure, a 4K TV might be worth it to you. But 85 will be more than happy with a budget TV.
anon_x731qvsnsyb8i
Diamond Knight
You are always starting shit with me dude. I really don't get your complex. Move on from whatever transgression I made 4 years ago or whatever man. I have. You're better than me or something.
Congrats. You're a child.
I have no beef with you. No complex. You're just wrong in this instance. Recommending that someone buy a high end TV who has stated they don't understand the need for a high end TV while citing reasons that only apply to scenarios which the person clearly will not use is ludicrous. If you disagree, tell me why you disagree. Sure, 4k is going to be a better picture with 4k content than a 1080p TV. But if a person who is only looking to use built-in functions or use something like a Roku Stick that doesn't support 4k, why would you tell them to spring for something they don't need?
I've clearly stated my rationale. You can run away and change your name or call me names but you'd be better off forming a valid argument.
If you have a room with a big blank wall they can be OK. You have to have a place to mount it still. And you'll need to keep your room relatively dark unless you want to buy a higher end projector with a lot of juice. TVs are still better for most use cases outside of building a home theater room and don't mind spending the coin on a good projector.
You're both sort of right, Malthus and Woot.
4K distribution of movies and video games is accelerating. There are still some compression issues for 4K to be resolved (HEVC/h.265 adoption would help), but for file downloads and Blu-Ray distribution 4K will be more common soon.
For live programming or cable? I think that will take longer than you realize. The production industry doesn't even remotely (no pun intended) have enough trucks. 4K is being used for specific purposes, (like replay) not full productions.
The next big thing in production is IP-based workflows, abandoning baseband/SDI. Maybe as the new IP infrastructure takes over we'll see more prevalence in 4K trucks, but that may actually work against since I expect "virtual trucks" and "at-home productions" to take over and the current transport infrastructure isn't ready for 8-12 4K streams at once (not a technical problem but a cost-based problem).
And don't get me started in last mile problems... Essentially 4K is suffering from some of the same issues that slowed (and ultimately stalled) 3D.
TL; dr: buying 4K for anything but movies and video games right now is a waste for all but the most jaded home videophile.
4K distribution of movies and video games is accelerating. There are still some compression issues for 4K to be resolved (HEVC/h.265 adoption would help), but for file downloads and Blu-Ray distribution 4K will be more common soon.
For live programming or cable? I think that will take longer than you realize. The production industry doesn't even remotely (no pun intended) have enough trucks. 4K is being used for specific purposes, (like replay) not full productions.
The next big thing in production is IP-based workflows, abandoning baseband/SDI. Maybe as the new IP infrastructure takes over we'll see more prevalence in 4K trucks, but that may actually work against since I expect "virtual trucks" and "at-home productions" to take over and the current transport infrastructure isn't ready for 8-12 4K streams at once (not a technical problem but a cost-based problem).
And don't get me started in last mile problems... Essentially 4K is suffering from some of the same issues that slowed (and ultimately stalled) 3D.
TL; dr: buying 4K for anything but movies and video games right now is a waste for all but the most jaded home videophile.
And the OP has no intention of hooking up a device to the TV capable of driving 4k content.
I think this article is a good summary for anyone in the 4K vs. 1080p debate
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
Oh, and for a good laugh ... Read the Reviews for this TV on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN105S9-Curved-105-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00L403O8U
http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
Oh, and for a good laugh ... Read the Reviews for this TV on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN105S9-Curved-105-Inch-Ultra/dp/B00L403O8U
You should also look into getting a good sound bar for your tv. I would recommend the Polk Audio Surround Bar 9000 IHT. I have the 6000 and its great for my needs but you might need the bigger version depending on your room size.
I had a better setup when I lived in Orlando but my current setup is my bonus room in the first floor (open to the stairs, 3 walls only). I have the same projector (Viewsonic 3D DLP) ($700 on Amazon) sitting on a coffee table and a Vizio 5.1 soundbar with wireless subwoofer and satelite speakers ($250 on Amazon). Projector is only 3,ooo lumens, yet I am able to watch TV in broad daylight, in spite of the room being by the front door and having glass all around it. That's a (at least) 10 foot TV with a true surround sound system (symulated surround on streaming only) for less than $1,000. This is my main "TV" set. TVs don't make much sense unless you're putting them in bedrooms. I'm getting ready to get the same setup for my living room.
LOL at those reviews.
I had to do a double check to confirm Amazon was really listing a $120,000 TV.
Plasma does not use a backlight. It is an emissive technology (ie the panel itself emits its own light).
You are confusing LED with OLED. The two are very different things.
There is no such thing as a true "LED" consumer TV. TVs marketed as "LED" are just LCD TVs which use white LEDs as their backlight. All LCD TVs use a backlight behind a panel of colored LCDs. The individual red, green, and blue LCD sub-pixels either allow the backlight through or not to make the picture. This generally causes worse black levels because some light comes through even when the pixel should be closed. LCD TVs originally used cold-cathode fluorescent lights (CCFL) as their backlight. In order to make them thinner and more energy efficient, newer models often use white LEDs as the backlight instead of fluorescent lights. To differentiate them from the CCFL backlit LCD TVs, the manufacturers started marketing them as "LED" TVs even though that's a misnomer. LCD TVs with LED backlights have the same inherent issues displaying good black levels as CCFL baklit LCD, plus many of them are only edge lit. To get the TVs super thin, they only place LEDs along the edges of the screen and then use a plastic light diffusion panel behind the screen to try to spread the light as evenly as possible across the screen. Many times this leads to light bleed along the edges or brighter spots on the screen where more light gathers than others. The best LED backlit LCD TVs are those that are known as "full array with local dimming". Full array means instead of only having LEDs along the edges and trying to disperse the light, they have LEDs spread out behind the LCD panel. This helps distribute the light better. Local dimming means being able to turn off the individual LEDs to help with black level (if a particular section of screen is all black or dark, the LED behind that section can be individual dimmed to produce a darker picture).
OLED, like plasma, is an emissive technology. Because of this, like plasma it has much better black levels than LCD (whether CCFL or LED backlit). In fact the black levels of OLED are phenomenal and produce the best picture you can buy today. Because they don't require a backlight, they can be made incredibly thin. Also, they can be easily made into flexible displays. The main knock on OLEDs rights now are their longevity. Like other emissive display technologies before it (plasma, CRT, etc), it is prone to degrading of the light emitting ability as it ages. OLED stands for Organic Light Emitting Diode, meaning it is made with organic compounds. The organic compounds used in the blue compound has been especially prone to this. The original OLEDs had blues which would lose 50% of their brightness after only 10,000 hours. Newer models are much better, and LG has used other methods to get around this problem as well.
As far as display technology goes, for best picture I would rank them:
1. OLED
2. Plasma (no longer manufactured but you can still find some)
3. Full array LED backlit LCD
4. CCFL backlit LCD(although if thin matters move this down to 5)
5. Edge lit LED backlit LCD
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I've read that 240hz refresh rate is basically total overkill for most everything that's on TV. Probably why Bob said things look bizarre, because the TV is accelerating the refresh rate on a program that is supposed to be watched at like 60hz.
I don't see a reason then to really go beyond a 120hz TV. At least not for what I use a TV for. The difference in price for 240 vs 120 is pretty significant too.
I don't see a reason then to really go beyond a 120hz TV. At least not for what I use a TV for. The difference in price for 240 vs 120 is pretty significant too.
What you are all describing is known as the "Soap Opera Effect" where everything looks fake like on the set of a cheap soap opera. This same effect is why many people hated The Hobbit when it was screened at 48 Hz instead of the normal film standard of 24 Hz. Our eyes are used to seeing the motion blur at a certain frequency based on what we're used to watching. Veer too far away from the 24 Hz for film or 60 Hz for TV we're used to seeing and our brain detects something is wrong.
120 Hz or 240 Hz TVs should all have the ability to limit this effect and each manufacturer calls it something different. If you want to eliminate the issue, look into the advanced picture settings of the display and disable things named similar to "MotionFlow" (Sony), "TruMotion" (LG), "Auto Motion" (Samsung), or "Smooth Motion" (Vizio).
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