Banning the American Flag

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by chemmie:

Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:

Being called a Stormfronter trumps all. Forget what I have in a signature...that's a targeted attack.




This post was edited on 3/12 3:12 PM by Malthus Doctrine

I got called a commie on this thread....Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao and Fidel. Thats who you called me. You didnt a bat an eye.

Lol

You know what, I called you a collectivist, not a communist. I'm sorry, I do not liken you to any of those brutal dictators. I'm sorry for doing so. You are right, I was wrong.




You are more like their worthless subjugates...all words, no action.

This post was edited on 3/12 3:28 PM by Malthus Doctrine

...and for this issue you and 85 have proven to be Nazi Punks.

F*ck off.

I'm not even mad anymore as your comment is untrue. Let me get one thing straight with you. I know who I am and am comfortable in my own skin.

Distrusting the Federal system is in my blood. So is distrust of radical/global collectivism of which you claim to support. I am also of a genealogical background that's easily targeted by the hate group you so quickly accused me of being a part (50% Onondaga, 50% Scandi, equal pride in both). I don't care about your ethnicity, I care about standing up against a political ideology that supports collective theft of property and wealth for a "Robin Hood"-ethic redistribution.

I don't owe you, or anyone else for that matter...a DAMN THING. My family comes first, then maybe friends, and the rest of the mob can screw off. I don't care if it is one person trying to take my property or wealth against my will, or 200,000,000...it's still theft.

I'm a non-conformist, barely even call myself Libertarian as there are beliefs in that bunch I don't agree with (the evangelist, radical Christian element in particular, I'm more of a John Galt atheist), and cannot stand how people bind themselves to political dogmas like religions and can't think for themselves. So, unlike you, I have no allegiance to any party or affiliation. I don't trample one's genealogical identity for purpose of favoring, or correcting the ills against another. But I also believe we are NOT a collective and should have pride in our own identity.

Bet you would have never guessed that I believe in Environmental protection or climate change right? (although I dispute the catastrophe scenarios). But you don't care about that. You shouldn't really anyway...




This post was edited on 3/12 4:15 PM by Malthus Doctrine

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

I try the mild mannered approach and get called a commie and collectivist anyways.

This post was edited on 3/12 4:24 PM by ucfversusbcs

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by ucfversusbcs:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

I try the mild mannered approach and get called a commie and collectivist anyways.

This post was edited on 3/12 4:24 PM by ucfversusbcs

Then what are you?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

If you don't like it bcs, PRESS CHARGES.

 

[Game_Day_Sports]

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

My HOA fines us when we put the crosses in front. We are only allowed to do them in the back and then only on Tuesday and Thursday.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Originally posted by Game_Day_Sports:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

My HOA fines us when we put the crosses in front. We are only allowed to do them in the back and then only on Tuesday and Thursday.

So much for freedom of speech!!

 

[FearTheKnight]

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:
I don't know why the people with the stupidest opinions are the ones who are most adamant about them.

Because everyone is self-centered, egotistical, and wants to be right no matter how grounded in reality they think they are.

Myself included.

This is a side-effect of a freely diverse-society where people can freely adopt any identity or belief system. There will always be someone that hates you for what you believe.

It's as bad a disease as you proclaim collectivism to be. You think everyone is so special that they get to think whatever they want and ignore reality. I would say that's the most liberal collectivist mindset there is.

Prove you can think, then talk. Otherwise stfu and dig your ditch.

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:

Originally posted by Game_Day_Sports:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

My HOA fines us when we put the crosses in front. We are only allowed to do them in the back and then only on Tuesday and Thursday.

So much for freedom of speech!!

I'm not Christian, and as I said before I'm more of a "John Galt/Ayn Rand" atheist...and I 100% hope you give the middle finger to your HOA one day and put out a replica of Arlington cemetery for a week-straight. I don't get offended by other people's religious pride. In fact, it makes me happy that I live in a freely diverse society. We are still trying to figure out that whole "separation of church and state" thing, but I never really cared that much. Social engineering and Indoctrination is more of an issue that we face anyway.

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:
I don't know why the people with the stupidest opinions are the ones who are most adamant about them.

Because everyone is self-centered, egotistical, and wants to be right no matter how grounded in reality they think they are.

Myself included.

This is a side-effect of a freely diverse-society where people can freely adopt any identity or belief system. There will always be someone that hates you for what you believe.

It's as bad a disease as you proclaim collectivism to be. You think everyone is so special that they get to think whatever they want and ignore reality. I would say that's the most liberal collectivist mindset there is.

Prove you can think, then talk. Otherwise stfu and dig your ditch.

No it's not. You are fundamentally incorrect. I used to be a hard-lined socialist on this board 8 years ago. Many can recall my many arguments with Nuknight.

There's a difference between "collectivism" and simple tolerance/acceptance of others while living in a freely diverse society.

There are Republican "collectivists" that exist too...

The current collectivist movement is trying to:

eliminate free speech and expression due to the arbitrarily litigation of people's emotionsincrease the number of requirements for people to be deemed "mentally ill" (would make over 80% of current population mentally "unsound")categorization of race simply by aesthetics and without any genealogical investigationteach kids it is bad to have pride in European genealogy as it might "offend others"force a "one-size-fits-all" approach to education not seen since Maoist China.establish a national ID programSlam one religious base (Judeo-Christians) while giving others a complete pass (Islam - which subjugates women)Subversively enact laws that contradict the values in the US constitution without following the steps to simply gain support for amending the constitution democratically.Claim "progress" is further unification under an all-encompassing Federal, and eventually a global economic systems with little identity or control at the regional, state, or local level.Elimination of speech and action that identifies gender (spreading in Europe now). This is also an attack on diversity.

Removing the American flag, the subject of all this arguing... I think it is funny since the flag, historically, was a symbol of the Unity of the different states under a similar belief system while retaining their historical and regional identities. The very symbol historically used at civil rights marches in the 1960s as a symbol of what it should mean is now demonized by the same groups due to well-documented collectivist subversion in propaganda (and to Chemmie's point, they were standing up for the atrocities that occurred over 200 (2 hundreds) years prior as opposed to the last 50 as he said in his short-sighted argument comparing the image today to 50 years ago). Don't tell me this subversion doesn't exist...I used to be a part of it.





This post was edited on 3/12 5:16 PM by Malthus Doctrine

 

[Game_Day_Sports]

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:

Originally posted by Game_Day_Sports:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

My HOA fines us when we put the crosses in front. We are only allowed to do them in the back and then only on Tuesday and Thursday.

So much for freedom of speech!!

I'm not Christian, and as I said before I'm more of a "John Galt/Ayn Rand" atheist...and I 100% hope you give the middle finger to your HOA one day and put out a replica of Arlington cemetery for a week-straight. I don't get offended by other people's religious pride. In fact, it makes me happy that I live in a freely diverse society. We are still trying to figure out that whole "separation of church and state" thing, but I never really cared that much. Social engineering and Indoctrination is more of an issue that we face anyway.

You know we were being sarcastic about putting burning crosses in our front yard because BCS said something to the effect that people who fly the flag were racist right?

Both of you guys need to put your bullshit filters on to realize that most of us are just screwing around.

 

[FearTheKnight]

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:
I don't know why the people with the stupidest opinions are the ones who are most adamant about them.

Because everyone is self-centered, egotistical, and wants to be right no matter how grounded in reality they think they are.

Myself included.

This is a side-effect of a freely diverse-society where people can freely adopt any identity or belief system. There will always be someone that hates you for what you believe.

It's as bad a disease as you proclaim collectivism to be. You think everyone is so special that they get to think whatever they want and ignore reality. I would say that's the most liberal collectivist mindset there is.

Prove you can think, then talk. Otherwise stfu and dig your ditch.

No it's not. You are fundamentally incorrect. I used to be a hard-lined socialist on this board 8 years ago. Many can recall my many arguments with Nuknight.

There's a difference between "collectivism" and simple tolerance/acceptance of others while living in a freely diverse society.

There are Republican "collectivists" that exist too...

The current collectivist movement is trying to:

eliminate free speech and expression due to the arbitrarily litigation of people's emotionsincrease the number of requirements for people to be deemed "mentally ill" (would make over 80% of current population mentally "unsound")categorization of race simply by aesthetics and without any genealogical investigationteach kids it is bad to have pride in European genealogy as it might "offend others"force a "one-size-fits-all" approach to education not seen since Maoist China.establish a national ID programSlam one religious base (Judeo-Christians) while giving others a complete pass (Islam - which subjugates women)Subversively enact laws that contradict the values in the US constitution without following the steps to simply gain support for amending the constitution democratically.Claim "progress" is further unification under an all-encompassing Federal, and eventually a global economic systems with little identity or control at the regional, state, or local level.Elimination of speech and action that identifies gender (spreading in Europe now). This is also an attack on diversity.

Removing the American flag, the subject of all this arguing... I think it is funny since the flag, historically, was a symbol of the Unity of the different states under a similar belief system while retaining their historical and regional identities. The very symbol historically used at civil rights marches in the 1960s as a symbol of what it should mean is now demonized by the same groups due to well-documented collectivist subversion in propaganda (and to Chemmie's point, they were standing up for the atrocities that occurred over 200 (2 hundreds) years prior as opposed to the last 50 as he said in his short-sighted argument comparing the image today to 50 years ago). Don't tell me this subversion doesn't exist...I used to be a part of it.





This post was edited on 3/12 5:16 PM by Malthus Doctrine

I get that you don't understand that you're out of your f'ing mind, but I don't get how can you dismiss so much external feedback about it.

50 years ago it was totally cool if you beat your wife. Beating your wife was your right. Now all of a sudden we have to address women as "people" who are "equal" as "Americans." Collectivist scum.

Thinking is hard, leave it up to the people who know how to do it. This has been a public service announcement.

 

[chemmie]

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by FearTheKnight:
I don't know why the people with the stupidest opinions are the ones who are most adamant about them.

Because everyone is self-centered, egotistical, and wants to be right no matter how grounded in reality they think they are.

Myself included.

This is a side-effect of a freely diverse-society where people can freely adopt any identity or belief system. There will always be someone that hates you for what you believe.

It's as bad a disease as you proclaim collectivism to be. You think everyone is so special that they get to think whatever they want and ignore reality. I would say that's the most liberal collectivist mindset there is.

Prove you can think, then talk. Otherwise stfu and dig your ditch.

No it's not. You are fundamentally incorrect. I used to be a hard-lined socialist on this board 8 years ago. Many can recall my many arguments with Nuknight.

There's a difference between "collectivism" and simple tolerance/acceptance of others while living in a freely diverse society.

There are Republican "collectivists" that exist too...

The current collectivist movement is trying to:

eliminate free speech and expression due to the arbitrarily litigation of people's emotionsincrease the number of requirements for people to be deemed "mentally ill" (would make over 80% of current population mentally "unsound")categorization of race simply by aesthetics and without any genealogical investigationteach kids it is bad to have pride in European genealogy as it might "offend others"force a "one-size-fits-all" approach to education not seen since Maoist China.establish a national ID programSlam one religious base (Judeo-Christians) while giving others a complete pass (Islam - which subjugates women)Subversively enact laws that contradict the values in the US constitution without following the steps to simply gain support for amending the constitution democratically.Claim "progress" is further unification under an all-encompassing Federal, and eventually a global economic systems with little identity or control at the regional, state, or local level.Elimination of speech and action that identifies gender (spreading in Europe now). This is also an attack on diversity.

Removing the American flag, the subject of all this arguing... I think it is funny since the flag, historically, was a symbol of the Unity of the different states under a similar belief system while retaining their historical and regional identities. The very symbol historically used at civil rights marches in the 1960s as a symbol of what it should mean is now demonized by the same groups due to well-documented collectivist subversion in propaganda (and to Chemmie's point, they were standing up for the atrocities that occurred over 200 (2 hundreds) years prior as opposed to the last 50 as he said in his short-sighted argument comparing the image today to 50 years ago). Don't tell me this subversion doesn't exist...I used to be a part of it.



This post was edited on 3/12 5:16 PM by Malthus Doctrine

What the hell are you even writing about? It's like you just throw words together and hope they stick: "arbitrarily litigation of people's emotions"

None of your bullet points are anything that can be proven. It is all crap in your imagination. You're like a senile old man waiving his cane at the sky, screaming about collectivists...whoever the hell they are.


"Like you're not a hypocrite either. Don't act like you were once a full-fledged libertarian "
"I used to be a hard-lined socialist on this board 8 years ago."
Changing your opinions isn't hypocrisy. Getting butthurt at somebody who has changed their opinions, while admitting you have changed your own opinions, is.

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Yeah you're right. I had another bad day yesterday, I broke my cane (it was a good cane), and I stepped away last night and realized I do need to come back to center.


The one line I will explain about "litigating people's emotions" was in reference to how everything now offends someone and slowly things are being removed via litigation in courts...like the USA flag being removed from a courthouse, or a campus...in the USA. The reality to me is it is just a move with the intention of just pissing more people off. Yeah, they have a right to democratically have it removed, hell they can burn it...but what is the reasoning? To me it seems like a motion to try to create more division in a passive-aggressive manor, not unify. I think a better argument is to USE the flag for exactly what it SHOULD mean, like in the 60s. I think that may be an easier sell to those that may have fought for it or defend it daily instead of alienating the people needing to hear the argument right off the bat.

I'm not really butt-hurt, my butt feels fine. I'm just annoyed. But you are right, what I can tell you is that things are far more divided now, politically, than they were even ten years ago. There is nothing "progressing". The "PC Police" are demonizing very benign parts of western society. That's not in my head, I'm not alone in seeing this, and that is very real. It is even permeating interpersonal relationships and people are segregating themselves now based on political doctrine, not just race. There's a bit of confusion also, I see the far left using the "states rights" argument in regards to Marijuana legislation (which I support) but then demonizing the idea in other social issues...

Back on topic regarding flags. Of course I know racism is very much alive, but I do believe there has been a lot of progress there, but not enough...We are still nowhere close to the "banana-republic" of the EU where it's pretty damn open (but illegal in most countries...figure that out).

I still don't understand demonizing the flag as some new symbol of oppression. If we someday adopted a new flag, will THAT one be demonized? What do we replace it with? Why can't the flag be used now with the same meaning as it was in marches 50 years ago?

Sorry I got pissed off and involved in the name-calling. My fault. (shrug)

 

[UCFRogerz]

Originally posted by Malthus Doctrine:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:

Originally posted by Game_Day_Sports:

Originally posted by Bob the Knight:
BCS is really going for the fences.

Cooler conservatives are all storm trooper racist nazis that lynch black people in their front yards.

My HOA fines us when we put the crosses in front. We are only allowed to do them in the back and then only on Tuesday and Thursday.

So much for freedom of speech!!

I'm not Christian, and as I said before I'm more of a "John Galt/Ayn Rand" atheist...and I 100% hope you give the middle finger to your HOA one day and put out a replica of Arlington cemetery for a week-straight. I don't get offended by other people's religious pride. In fact, it makes me happy that I live in a freely diverse society. We are still trying to figure out that whole "separation of church and state" thing, but I never really cared that much. Social engineering and Indoctrination is more of an issue that we face anyway.

Who is John Galt?

 

[ChrisKnight06]

Man. I had to try and step away yesterday b/c I barely got any work done messing around here on Wed. Now I see this thread. WTF is going on in here?

#TribalPrimatesFTW!
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
Man. I had to try and step away yesterday b/c I barely got any work done messing around here on Wed. Now I see this thread. WTF is going on in here?

#TribalPrimatesFTW!
Posted from Rivals Mobile

My fault Chris. I made a piss-poor attempt at alluding/comparing to how humans lived for eons, in small groups, own identities, yada yada yada. Long story short I got angry at the current view that the flag is now a symbol of oppression to some, when in fact it really shouldn't be and it's gradual removal does more to divide than unify. I got called a nazi...then I went on a rant. I have forgiven ucfversusbcs now and have taken onus.

 

[KnightrousOxide]

I think my favorite "name calling" in this thread was calling/comparing someone to a Borg.

 

[anon_x731qvsnsyb8i]

Originally posted by KnightrousOxide:

I think my favorite "name calling" in this thread was calling/comparing someone to a Borg.#HadTooMuchCaffeine