Bipartisanship
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Flat Earth Society is mostly democrat too. This reads almost exactly like one of Shucker's/fried chicken/ninjaknights whine threads
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The Flat Earth Society officially endorses Bernie Sanders 2020 - NPC Daily
In a shocking turn of events, the Flat Earth Society has officially announced that they fully endorse Bernie Sanders for president in 2020. Typically fringe groups of extremists are disavowed if the endorser’s worldviews are contrary to the endorsee’s, but given the similarities in trains of...
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Anti-science types love the democrat party. People that think the earth is flat, people that think burning down businesses is a peaceful protest, and people that are willing to change the definition of a word because it might make people feel better. Now that's a big tent party.Flat Earth Society is mostly democrat too. This reads almost exactly like one of Shucker's/fried chicken/ninjaknights whine threads
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The Flat Earth Society officially endorses Bernie Sanders 2020 - NPC Daily
In a shocking turn of events, the Flat Earth Society has officially announced that they fully endorse Bernie Sanders for president in 2020. Typically fringe groups of extremists are disavowed if the endorser’s worldviews are contrary to the endorsee’s, but given the similarities in trains of...
Lol... I suggest opting in by going to a website and claiming that your hours or salary was reduced in order to get your $1200 or $600 check and you call that... “rigorous screening.” 😂😂😂
The party demanding bipartisanship just voted unanimously against covid relief. Let's put this one to bed. They want to slow the Democrats down until 2022, that's all.
2/3rds of Americans backing Biden's plan is bipartisanship. Either vote with it or vote against what the American public wants and deal with the results in 2022. Elections have consequences.
www.yahoo.com
Yahoo News/YouGov poll: More than two-thirds of Americans side with Biden on COVID relief — and most support the rest of his agenda
When asked about the 20 policies that define President Biden’s agenda, significantly more Americans support than oppose them, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.
"Bipartisan" doesn't mean the same thing that it used to. There's the 25-30% Trumpet fringe and everybody else.
It won't happen on the COVID relief bill but ironically, it could well be President Biden who keeps the Trump Crazy Train from completely crashing and burning the whole damn party. I can see Biden making the GOP relevant again by working with McConnell and a dozen or so Republicans on other critical upcoming legislation like America's infrastructure.
It won't happen on the COVID relief bill but ironically, it could well be President Biden who keeps the Trump Crazy Train from completely crashing and burning the whole damn party. I can see Biden making the GOP relevant again by working with McConnell and a dozen or so Republicans on other critical upcoming legislation like America's infrastructure.
Who is creating this website? The IRS dispersed the funds. So we just disperse them on the honor system that you were impacted negatively financially by the pandemic? Despite only a small fraction of people in the entire country not impacted whatsoever. Over $600. Seems pretty worthless. Again the federal unemployment was for people who lost their jobs. Not the stimulus. The stimulus is to help the economy through the recession. $600 given (in your opinion) to a small fraction of “undeserving” individuals still accomplishes that. It’s a similar methodology that the Bush Administration used to send out checks in 2008 during that recession. Trump was pushing for $2000 payments rather than the $600. It’s not financially prudent to administer a screening program that at best would screen out only a small fraction of individuals. Reminds me of the drug testing program they temporarily put in place to try to withhold welfare from people in FL. Until it turned out to be a massive waste to administer. To make matters worse you want people to be able to “opt in”. As if a lot of people are going to choose to opt out of a stimulus payment. Sounds ridiculous. What if I choose to opt out and lose my job tomorrow?
Where was this fiscal outrage when the Trump Administration distributed half a trillion dollars of COVID stimulus money to major corporations. It was all done hush-hush without any oversight (the Congressionally mandated auditor was fired by Trump). As a result, $500,000,000 was divvied out and the American public was given zero information about who got money or how much they got.
But with a new Administration in place, it will all come out eventually. So if you're all bent out of shape because some schlub in your neighborhood got a check who didn't deserve it, just wait until you see that list once it finally sees the light of day.
You don’t see the problem, and it’s because you’re not the opponent of big business and advocate of the Everyman you think you are. Government closes restaurants and most small businesses and leaves big chain stores mostly alone, and then gives disposable income to most people... and that’s... not just fine, but a good thing to you??
And you keep saying that almost everybody was financially harmed somehow by Covid, but that isn’t true. The unemployment rate never reached 16%, but somehow that justifies cash payments of $1200 to go out to everyone in the country who made less than $75k in 2019? That makes no sense.
You can’t be so dense to think that opting in and opting out are the same thing. Opting in would be going in and checking a box to say something to the effect of “yes, I’ve lost income and need this... my taxes will reflect this. I make this claim under penalty of perjury.”
That alone would have cut back drastically on the number of people receiving taxpayer funds who didn’t need it. Maybe you would have cheated the system, but I’m not going to.
And stop with the “all this to save $600?” routine. You know very well that the first payments were $1200. Out of 60 people in my department nationwide, nobody was laid off or had their salaries reduced. That’s $72,000 from one department in one company. There were thousands and thousands of other companies who didn’t need to lay off anyone or cut pay.
Meanwhile my brother who runs a music venue and friends who own movie theaters have seen $0 in revenue for going on a full year. But hey, it’s a good thing we gave everyone in America $1200 in April, right? It makes no sense whatsoever.
I welcome an audit of who got what. There are great reasons for some of those corporations to receive funds. If their revenues suddenly evaporate, they’re going to be laying people off, and that’s a terrible situation.
Do you have a link to that story about Trump firing the auditor? If it was done so hush-hush it’s kind of hard to believe you heard about it. If it was all so criminal it’s hard to believe members of the media that openly despise Trump haven’t been screaming about it for months.
I dont seem to remember the outrage when Obama's 1 trillion dollar stimulus bill only led to 174 billion going to those shovel ready jobs.
But not all hope is lost, this time Biden will actually put together a bill to fix the infrastructure we were supposed to address last time.
Senators push Mnuchin to guarantee oversight of $500 billion coronavirus bailout fund
Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer, Sherrod Brown and Ron Wyden called on Mnuchin to defend the terms of a deal he helped negotiate.
The fund, which was established as part of a more than $2 trillion stimulus bill President Donald Trump signed into law last week, became a point of contention for Democrats who worried that earlier versions of the bill gave Mnuchin too much discretion over how the funds are dispersed. After tense negotiations, Republicans and Mnuchin agreed to add an inspector general to oversee that fund, as well as a congressional committee.
But Trump on Friday questioned the authority of the inspector general. According to a signing statement he released alongside the bill, he declared his belief that the inspector general needs his permission before letting Congress know whether Mnuchin or Treasury block efforts to glean information.
And then we got THIS:
Trump removes inspector general poised to oversee coronavirus stimulus funds
President Trump on Tuesday removed the Pentagon inspector general tasked with monitoring the coronavirus economic relief plan.
I'm willing to bet that when the list of corporations who received relief funds sees the light of day that we'll find that some of the American cruise lines owned by Trump buddies got a nice pot of money.
The trouble with that is that these aren't really American companies. The whole bunch of them are registered to various Caribbean countries to avoid paying American taxes.
Sooo... is it your takeaway from those articles that nobody was overseeing after Glenn Fine was taken off the job? Or did you read far enough to see Brian Miller was confirmed as special inspector general for pandemic recovery by the Senate?From the linked article:Senators push Mnuchin to guarantee oversight of $500 billion coronavirus bailout fund
Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer, Sherrod Brown and Ron Wyden called on Mnuchin to defend the terms of a deal he helped negotiate.www.cnbc.com
The fund, which was established as part of a more than $2 trillion stimulus bill President Donald Trump signed into law last week, became a point of contention for Democrats who worried that earlier versions of the bill gave Mnuchin too much discretion over how the funds are dispersed. After tense negotiations, Republicans and Mnuchin agreed to add an inspector general to oversee that fund, as well as a congressional committee.
But Trump on Friday questioned the authority of the inspector general. According to a signing statement he released alongside the bill, he declared his belief that the inspector general needs his permission before letting Congress know whether Mnuchin or Treasury block efforts to glean information.
And then we got THIS:
Trump removes inspector general poised to oversee coronavirus stimulus funds
President Trump on Tuesday removed the Pentagon inspector general tasked with monitoring the coronavirus economic relief plan.www.foxnews.com
Well if that happens, go ahead and throw your hissy fit. Until then, I’m not interested in hearing your speculation.
Have we reached the point of that being a conspiracy theory yet, or is it just an unconfirmed theory? That's how it works with democrats, right?
Cool. Show me the list of who got the 500 Billion and how much they each got.
Unlike all the crap I've been hearing from the looney right since Trump took office. I freely admit that this is speculation on my part at this point. I just distinctly recall Trump telling us how badly corporations - he specifically mentioned the cruise industry at the time - were being hurt. I also recalled that a couple of his buddies own cruise lines. At the time, I shared this concern with you on this board.
If I'm wrong and they didn't receive money, you won't see me doubling down on 'my unconfirmed theory.' I'll happily admit I was wrong, especially because I'll be relieved we didn't waste taxpayer money to bail out Trump's tax cheating cronies.
You may also remember me saying I'll be pissed if that happened.
It makes perfect sense. And the overwhelming majority of Americans support it. I’m sorry that you had to see undeserving people get $1200 during a global pandemic. It sounds terrible for you. Again, the stimulus was not an unemployment payment. It was to counteract the recession. So pointing to an unemployment rate (way higher than in 2008 when we also gave a stimulus by the way) is irrelevant. Schools were closed. People had to pay for services to watch children so they could work hours were reduced. People had 401k matches cut. People lost out on raise or promotion opportunities. It’s a simplistic view of things to simply look at an unemployment rate. How many people were furloughed without pay for months? I know people who kept their job but restricted to working 3 weeks out of the month and the 4th week unpaid. The logistics of an “opt in” system might make sense for an ongoing unemployment payment, but for a singular payment they do not. As I stated before. We are still seeing effects of the recession and someone who didn’t “opt in” could lose their job tomorrow. I get the fiscal conservative side of things too, but there are much bigger wastes of money in government spending than stimulus payments to citizens. Are you as outraged about those as you are an “undeserving” person getting a $600 check? Meanwhile you no doubt throw your 100% support behind a “tax cut” that would net a millionaire ten times that.
One of the best straw man fighters on these boards, ladies and gentlemen.
I’ve never once said the word “undeserving” but you seem to love it.
Of course I can’t stand government waste in any form. This one just happens to be an amazing recent example of how government sees a problem and “does something” that’s an absurd reaction to the real problem. The real problem was “2 wEeKs tO sLoW dA SpReAd” has turned into 10 months, and to think that $1800 paid out over 2 payments in 10 months would “counteract the recession” is completely brain dead.
You. Can’t. Print. Your. Way. Out. Of. A. Recession.
That’s not how economies work. Stopping businesses from operating is a GUARANTEE of a recession. If new products and services (actual wealth) aren’t being created and exchanged, we’re inarguably in a recession.
Tax cuts are the boogeyman of the left and it’s hilarious how dumb you are about them.
It it’s a tax cut that makes it easier for businesses to hire employees or encourages business investment I’m for it. But the left loves to say “this saved millionaires money on taxes!!!!!1” even if the result is a 5% tax reduction that means a small-medium business can hire 8 new employees.
It’s odd to see the same group that is always pushing for tax cuts push back on someone getting a “stimulus” payment which is actually structured as a tax reduction (credit). That’s literally the theory behind tax cuts is that they put more money into the pockets of citizens and helps stimulate the economy...kind of exactly what this stimulus was for.
They funny thing about it is that the irony of their position completely escapes them.
Just think of it as a tax reduction (it truly is). Poof. Now you can sleep better tonight.
I think there would be less fits thrown for sure if people just got an extra $600 as a tax refund after filing. In fact that would be sung from the rooftops as a major accomplishment for the prior administration.They funny thing about it is that the irony of their position completely escapes them.
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My republican state just eased restrictions too. Was my republican governor trying to hurt trump or are you probably ignoring that we have vaccine that is rolling out now.
I really would like to know what the Shuckster does for a living and how old are you guys?
Here is the thing. You guys likely are white collar workers. you likely had no real impact from Covid financially. Your sacrafice to we are all in this together is you took your stimulus check and bought more crap from Amazon. lol.
As a business owner who was forced to close for 16 weeks. I had to lay 17 people off . I had to negotiate deals with my landlords to Stave off being closed forever. We might all be the CoVID storm together but make no mistake about some us are clinging to a life raft while others are in 70 foot hatteress. Youre not experiencing the storm the same way or taking the same hits.
As far as these ridiculous $600 per paycheck payments ,that was ridiculous. I had college kids making more money in a pay period than I make in the slow season. I had employees not wanting to come back to work until their unemployment was exhausted. Hey, I get it , if you can get $2400 a month free for doing nothing, then you go for that right. I don't blame them ,but it was bad fiscal policy.
Knight in Tn is spot on here. I think state governments all over handled Covid shut downs poorly. You can't say Walmart is essential and cram thousands of people in there and tell a guy like me you have to shut down because you have 10 people in your store? my business is essential to me and my employees . So giving everyone $1,200 to blow at Wally World or Amazon or Lowes only benefited those big companies while small business gets, here is a loan . Guess what I didn't need a loan before Covid and now my reward for doing my part is more debt ?!!! It's all bull crap.
Hey Shuckster, you asked about bipartisanship. The way I see it, America is a Constitutional Republic and we have this thing called the Bill of Rights. Let's all start as Americans that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are where we must all agree on. These principles are non-negotiable as Americans . Thus means you don't spout off how Trump voters need to be deprogramned. You start off by saying to the media and social media you don't silence people because they disagree with you or vote differently than you. Silencing opposing speech and ideas is truly un-American. So,if you want bipartisanship stop the rhetoric of hate and stop calling people science deniers and on and on. We need to come together on universal principles that are embodied in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That has to be the starting point where left and Right agree as Americans . Then we can debate policy ideas . real debate not silencing people you don't like . In my opinion both parties are more interested in winning power for their party than they are trying advance governance in a Republic. They are putting party above all. I despise both parties and the elites who run them for this reason. When they can put the individual and American citizen ahead of their power grabbing ways and work jointly to better America instead of themselves ,then we can have bipartisanship.
Here is the thing. You guys likely are white collar workers. you likely had no real impact from Covid financially. Your sacrafice to we are all in this together is you took your stimulus check and bought more crap from Amazon. lol.
As a business owner who was forced to close for 16 weeks. I had to lay 17 people off . I had to negotiate deals with my landlords to Stave off being closed forever. We might all be the CoVID storm together but make no mistake about some us are clinging to a life raft while others are in 70 foot hatteress. Youre not experiencing the storm the same way or taking the same hits.
As far as these ridiculous $600 per paycheck payments ,that was ridiculous. I had college kids making more money in a pay period than I make in the slow season. I had employees not wanting to come back to work until their unemployment was exhausted. Hey, I get it , if you can get $2400 a month free for doing nothing, then you go for that right. I don't blame them ,but it was bad fiscal policy.
Knight in Tn is spot on here. I think state governments all over handled Covid shut downs poorly. You can't say Walmart is essential and cram thousands of people in there and tell a guy like me you have to shut down because you have 10 people in your store? my business is essential to me and my employees . So giving everyone $1,200 to blow at Wally World or Amazon or Lowes only benefited those big companies while small business gets, here is a loan . Guess what I didn't need a loan before Covid and now my reward for doing my part is more debt ?!!! It's all bull crap.
Hey Shuckster, you asked about bipartisanship. The way I see it, America is a Constitutional Republic and we have this thing called the Bill of Rights. Let's all start as Americans that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are where we must all agree on. These principles are non-negotiable as Americans . Thus means you don't spout off how Trump voters need to be deprogramned. You start off by saying to the media and social media you don't silence people because they disagree with you or vote differently than you. Silencing opposing speech and ideas is truly un-American. So,if you want bipartisanship stop the rhetoric of hate and stop calling people science deniers and on and on. We need to come together on universal principles that are embodied in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That has to be the starting point where left and Right agree as Americans . Then we can debate policy ideas . real debate not silencing people you don't like . In my opinion both parties are more interested in winning power for their party than they are trying advance governance in a Republic. They are putting party above all. I despise both parties and the elites who run them for this reason. When they can put the individual and American citizen ahead of their power grabbing ways and work jointly to better America instead of themselves ,then we can have bipartisanship.
Last year's small business relief money was intended for business owners like you. If you didn't get helped -- you're telling me with a straight face that it's the democrats' fault?
So with 'ridiculous' $600 payments and - gasp! - unemployment benefits, It would appear you don't give a shit about how this pandemic affected low-paid workers if you personally didn't get helped.
Hey, I get that this pandemic has been handled HORRIBLY. I agree with you on that. But I find it bizarre where you want to point the finger of blame.
Clearly you don't have a frickin' clue what the Constitution and the Bill of Rights really means when you then follow up with complete bullshit about America 'silencing' the opposition. Who's being silenced? I spent hours last month listening to the right wing media on TV, on the radio, and on social media whining on and on and ON about being silenced. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You try to come off as a reasonable person, but you’re a partisan stooge. 100% you’re a clown who can read his post and respond as if it was about denigrating Democrats and worshipping at the GOP altar. What a sad person you are, because his post wasn’t even close to what you’re responding to.
And way to completely miss his point about free speech. It doesn’t really matter if the government isn’t restricting your speech if your speech is restricted through other means. Free Speech needs to be a cultural value, and it’s horrifying that it’s not anymore. If you support Twitter’s ‘right’ to ban the Hunter Biden story, you don’t believe in free speech as an idea. If you think platforms that have become ubiquitous in the arena of public debate should freely be allowed to silence viewpoints with which they disagree, you don’t really believe in the spirit of free speech.
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Seriously, WTF are you talking about?
Says the guy who completely missed my point about his waving the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in my face.
So a private company can't remove somebody from their place of business for spewing crazy shit in their establishment?
Do you support free speech or not? Obviously the answer is no, you don’t.
And you’re clearly not very bright. This isn’t a steakhouse not allowing someone to stand in their dining room and yell at the patrons that meat is murder. A steakhouse doesn’t exist to let you say what you want.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeellloooooo. The First Amendment speaks to the government restricting free speech, not a private social media platform.
Speech is protected until you do dumbshit things like shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre -- or use Twitter as a tool to spew lies in order to inspire an insurrection. And yet, you're surprised that the company responded with, "Uh, that's enough. You're banned, Trump."
Yeah, it was stupid on my part to think I could have an intelligent debate with you.
Hey Shuckster,
For starters , In graduate school at FSU I took Constitutional Law, Land Use Law and Environmental law. I have read all the Federalist papers and I would say I have pretty good idea what the Constitution is and is not about. I worked either in government or as a consultant to it for 15 years. My view of government is one of being part of it and my skepticism of it is healthy.
My employees I care very much about. You don't know jack crap about how to run your own business and what it means to tell 17 people you have to close and don't know when and if they have jobs. I have my life savings tied up in my business. My crew might have lost some income but I had the potential to lose it all.
I don't blame Democrats though my state is controlled by Democrat governor who is dumb as a box of rocks. I got some PPP money but here is the rub, if the government didn't shut me down I wouldn't need to beg for assistance . Walmart stayed open so why couldn't I ? the hypocrisy of the public policy is glaring .
It's not that my employees got an extra $600 a week that bugs me. I think it's bad public policy. They should have gotten 100% of their unemployment for sure . Here is the other thing ...I sometimes write about u intended consequences. My unemployment insurance went up for 2021. I was paying a little over $20k annually for that insurance mandated by the state of North Carolina to now over $26K . I guess I need to magically pull that $6,000 out of my butt? There is no Free lunch my friend ,ever..Somebody has to pay and small business ownera take it and take it. It's is hard owning abd running a small business. Government does not make it easy.
lastly, I despise with every ounce of my being the national mainstream media. They are clearly in the tank for one side . They are hypocrites and what galls me is they are protected to exist in the Bill of Rights and in the very same amendment calling for free speech ,they get a carve out for a free and independent press. Then they turn around and have calls to deprogram half the country, to silence people on social media. Now let's be clear, the Bill of Rights limits what Government can do . Twitter ,facebook and such they are private organizations and they can do what ever they want. I can also chose to not to go there and I don't . However,it is scary and unacceptable when AOC and her ilk call for lists to punish political opposition. When elected people call for silencing and targeting people on lists that should make your skin crawl . That's the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. That's China .
So Shuck , I likely don't agree with you on 20% of the stuff and I think more opinions ,not less,more speech not less is key to building a better future. Debate is healthy and silencing people is a terrible idea. I want to know who the dingbats are. I want to know who the real racists are either in the KKK or Black Panthers. You want that out in the open so you can bear those crappy ideas with better ideas. Silencing people is never good even when we find their ideas offensive and bankrupt.
I think Democrats and Republicans ,especially at the top of both parties absolutely suck. They are globalist selling the middle class out . They divide us and use the poor as their pawns. We are quickly becoming a system of oligarchs in the media, tech and government. It's not what the principles of our Constitution and Bill of Rights are founded upon at all. The core of it is the individual and individual liberty are what Government is supposed to serve and defend. That's purpose of the American government. We are citizens not subjects.
So , bipartisanship needs in my opinion ,needs to be where both sides agree on that principle .Both sides need to say the Bill of Rights us where we agree.
Those documents are our founding documents and they are the contract between you and I and our government..They are the rules in which our relationship is established. Now, if you don't like the rules, the founders included a means to change them through the Amendment process. Go through that process to change the rules and honor and trust the amendment process. Too often both sides want judges to determine policy and neither has the courage to propose any meaningful amendments. For starters I would propose term limits and balanced budget amendments. These two things would go a long long way in fixing Government.
lastly,. I care deeply about my crew. My issue with the $600 is two fold.one, human nature is such that if you said you get your regular unemployment plus $600 on top of that , why would anybody want to go back to work. I was put In a position as an employer to say I am open now and you need to come back to work or you're fired or I turn a blind eye to it all and figure it a out until their $600 weekly check ran out? It sucks to be honest .
My other opposition is this. No where in the Constitution does it authorize taxing one group to penalize them and give another group the first groups wealth. Do not go down the notion of general welfare because that is mentioned in Article 1 Section 8 in a sentence that preludes the 18 specific enumerated powers. meaning in order to provide for the general welfare and common defense the following 18 enumerated powers are given to the federal government..no where does it say take from group A to give to group b. Again, if you want to champion a socialist state then propose an amendment to give the federal government the power to redistribute wealth. or champion the 10th Amendment where it states all powers not specified here in are reserved to the states and people respectively.. So, if Florida wants to redistribute wealth it can chose to do so, but as it stands now the feds have zero authority to do it.
The issues are not whether I care or not ,it's about what is the specified power in the Constitution that gives my government the authority to do what it is doing. This is why I think in order to have meaningful governance it must start with agreement on the principles in our founding documents. We need a basis of agreement and civility . In 2021 we no longer have these and thus why bipartisanship in my opinion is a joke.
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