Border Agent to NPR: Walls and barriers work

[DaShuckster]

because you are above those*

Good one, Wayne. You guys are SO damn witty I'll tell ya.

Anybody who follows this board knows I am here to engage in actual political discussions. My goal is to get others to actually think for themselves instead of regurgitating Trump soundbites or throwing out personal attacks intended to be viewed as "rebuttals."

But I don't claim to be an innocent. When you play in a pig sty, you're gonna get dirty. And when the other side often behave like a bunch of Second grade playground bullies, it can be tough. But I try to consider the maturity level of the people I'm dealing with and strive to remain patient.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Good one, Wayne. You guys are SO damn witty I'll tell ya.

Anybody who follows this board knows I am here to engage in actual political discussions. My goal is to get others to actually think for themselves instead of regurgitating Trump soundbites or throwing out personal attacks intended to be viewed as "rebuttals."

But I don't claim to be an innocent. When you play in a pig sty, you're gonna get dirty. And when the other side often behave like a bunch of Second grade playground bullies, it can be tough. But I try to consider the maturity level of the people I'm dealing with and strive to remain patient.

lol this guy is more self righteous than most corny superhero figures

 

[UCFWayne]

Good one, Wayne. You guys are SO damn witty I'll tell ya.

Anybody who follows this board knows I am here to engage in actual political discussions. My goal is to get others to actually think for themselves instead of regurgitating Trump soundbites or throwing out personal attacks intended to be viewed as "rebuttals."

But I don't claim to be an innocent. When you play in a pig sty, you're gonna get dirty. And when the other side often behave like a bunch of Second grade playground bullies, it can be tough. But I try to consider the maturity level of the people I'm dealing with and strive to remain patient.

you are better than ninja and chicken. i believe in second chances and think you can eventually learn from baseless racist claims of the past.

im glad you are here and occasionally enjoy your political discussions. i would even have a beer with you.

 

[DaShuckster]

i would even have a beer with you.

A sure sign there is still hope for this country.

 

[fried-chicken]

you are better than ninja and chicken. i believe in second chances and think you can eventually learn from baseless racist claims of the past.

im glad you are here and occasionally enjoy your political discussions. i would even have a beer with you.

What in the world is this bullshit.

 

[DaShuckster]

What in the world is this bullshit.

Don't fall for it, f-c!

This is Wayne's clever attempt to sow seeds of dissension among our little band of liberals. Everybody knows all of us evil socialists are 'all for one and one for all,' right comrades?

 

[UCFKnight85]

What in the world is this bullshit.

I agree. You're at least honest about your preference for left wing attacks and personal insults; DaShuck does the same but parades around like a moral orbiter.

 

[fried-chicken]

I agree. You're at least honest about your preference for left wing attacks and personal insults;

 

[UCFKnight85]

The Socialist Queen from NY strikes again

Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez demanded Tuesday night that President Donald Trump explain why American taxpayers are still funding Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). But she failed to mention the fact that she voted to continue funding ICE just one week earlier.

 

[DaShuckster]

The Socialist Queen from NY strikes again

Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez demanded Tuesday night that President Donald Trump explain why American taxpayers are still funding Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). But she failed to mention the fact that she voted to continue funding ICE just one week earlier.

LOL I appreciate the chuckle today, 85. We're facing the biggest crisis of Presidential leadership in our lifetimes....but let's focus our outrage on a newly-elected Congresswoman!!!

 

[UCFKnight85]

LOL I appreciate the chuckle today, 85. We're facing the biggest crisis of Presidential leadership in our lifetimes....but let's focus our outrage on a newly-elected Congresswoman!!!

Ah yes, the "let's play dumb" leftie approach to your new socialist overlord in the party. She just did primetime interviews on most every single major network and Kamala Harris just had to play lip service to her failed "soak the rich" tax scheme for her 2020 run, but sure - she's just another newly elected congresswoman.

Just because she's a Palin-esque embarrassment doesn't mean you guys get to run from her. She's the new face of the DNC.

 

[Husk in butt]

I feel like at any point she will scream out....aliens are coming!

 

[DaShuckster]

Ah yes, the "let's play dumb" leftie approach to your new socialist overlord in the party.

Our new overload?

Does this mean you guys have squeezed the last "Rally our Joe Sixpack Base" juice out of Hillary?

You've got to give the Old Broad credit, she was still your Go-To Girl two years past any relevancy!

 

[UCFKnight85]

Our new overload?

Does this mean you guys have squeezed the last "Rally our Joe Sixpack Base" juice out of Hillary?

You've got to give the Old Broad credit, she was still your Go-To Girl two years past any relevancy!

HRC is far too moderate and right wing for this new DNC crew. If you aren't cheering 70% tax rates and abolishing ICE then you're not welcome to the party.

 

[DaShuckster]

HRC is far too moderate and right wing for this new DNC crew. If you aren't cheering 70% tax rates and abolishing ICE then you're not welcome to the party.

ACK, 70 percent tax rates!!!!
ACK, abolishing ICE!!!

I'm thinking our little Trumpster's boogieman stories might be scarier if we weren't in the midst of the biggest crisis of Presidential leadership in our lifetimes.

 

[UCFKnight85]

ACK, 70 percent tax rates!!!!
ACK, abolishing ICE!!!

I'm thinking our little Trumpster's boogieman stories might be scarier if we weren't in the midst of the biggest crisis of Presidential leadership in our lifetimes.

The most prominent Democrat who would be running in 2020, and has already declared, is on record wanting to abolish ICE.

You're so wrong about so many things, it's just comedic at this point. Or are you defensive since you're lined up with extremists?

 

[DaShuckster]

The most prominent Democrat who would be running in 2020, and has already declared, is on record wanting to abolish ICE.

The most prominent, huh? Which one of the two dozen potential candidates was it?

You're so wrong about so many things, it's just comedic at this point. Or are you defensive since you're lined up with extremists?

If history tells us anything, it's usually that American voters like to periodically swing the pendulum. Going from Obama to Trump is a prime example. My gut tells me the LAST THING voters want in 2020 is to embrace an extremist.

 

[UCFBS]

Color me shocked that the left wingers here rush to declare that they know better than CBP.

Just like they know better about guns than cops too.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Pretty clear what the professionals on the border think:

View embedded media

But meh what do they know? We need to list to rabid left wingers and Democrats. They know better than the men and women of the CBP.

The great wall of China works also

 

[UCFBS]

The great wall of China works also

More seriously now, both the Czech Republic and Romania have been looking at the Hungarian approach. Their wall has been extremely effective.

That said, to play devil's advocate, I'm not sure a wall in the US would work as well. Mexico is another story. Mexico is building a wall, which will work much like the Hungarian wall. People aren't seeking to move to Mexico, just like Hungary, but travel through Mexico to the US, like Hungary to Germany.

The biggest problem for the three (3) nations is when Germany started incarcerating illegal immigrants (yes, that's the official, EU term) that did not obtain refugee status. At point during its peak, nearly 1M were interned, as their jails had overflowed (yes, they do put them in jails in Germany).

Given both the Czechs and Romanians continue to sue the EU and Germany, and the EU courts have been at the mercy of Germany (who has their own, fiscal mess to deal with over this), they are considering the Hungarian route. It's a rather sad tale that is not told in the US, as the 3 nations saw 3x as many undocumented residents (to use the US PC term) as Germany itself.

No one likes to talk about this. One thing the wall in Hungary did was completely cut the head off organized crime growth. That's what every CBP, DEA, DHS and ICE agent I know have been talking about.

I.e., they could care less about the immigration debate, but organized crime has exploded ... with mom'n pop operations springing up over the last 6 years because it's now a market valuing at tens of billions of dollars per year.

E.g., even the Obama administration admitted as such by 2013, that earlier policies had only hurt everyone.

Again, just like cops on guns, people ignore them and listen to the US media. I prefer to talk to actual agents that deal with it first hand. They hate seeing the atrocities. They know how to make things better. They know where the real issues are.

And they are much better now, in 2018, than they were in 2013, or even just 2016.

Just like the kid on the cover of Time magazine, his mom had $6,000 to pay organized crime. Those who don't end up running drugs, guns or humans on their backs as 'payment.' The exploding market is scary, and agents should know.