Canadian trucker protest

[sk8knight]

Well this is Canada, so "the government" isn't applicable to you here.

Regardless of what you think about a law, it's not an excuse to be an asshole and make everyone else miserable. There are small businesses in Ottawa who are losing revenue every day since customers can't get around the assholes with the trucks blocking every road.

Conversely there are small businesses that are profiting more from the truckers being present than they have since the COVID lockdown laws forced them to close or greatly restricted their businesses.

Im not for blockades and obstructions as protests. But they do make a very strong point because they’re dangerous and disruptive. And like the BLM protests, there are a good many people in the general public that support the message as well.

 

[major.tom.foolery]

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Damn those white supremacists!!!!!

 

[UCFBS]

I couldn’t believe it was covered on nbc nightly news at about the 20 minute mark. It was like watching Vietnam era government propaganda.

Exactly. Isn't it funny how people are defending expansion of statism?!

 

[Crazyhole]

 

[Crazyhole]

Basically, if you protest against the government, you lose your ability to use a bank account. That's China level stuff.

 

[UCFBS]

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Fact check: true. Right leaning people enjoy freedom.

^^^ This has to be my personal favorite, straight out of 1984.

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[Cubs79]

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Basically, if you protest against the government, you lose your ability to use a bank account. That's China level stuff.

No it isnt, good grief. I am certainly not an expert on Canadian law, but financing illegal activity has always been a reason to freeze accounts. And yes, a blockade is an illegal activity.

 

[UCFBS]

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Basically, if you protest against the government, you lose your ability to use a bank account. That's China level stuff.

 

[Crazyhole]

No it isnt, good grief. I am certainly not an expert on Canadian law, but financing illegal activity has always been a reason to freeze accounts. And yes, a blockade is an illegal activity.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where does this fall on the fascism spectrum?

 

[Boston.Knight]

We are literally turning in to China

 

[Cubs79]

When did anyone freeze blm money with all the illegal activities? When did they make threats to steal property, revoke insurance, etc?

BLM was mostly in American, not Canada, so it has nothing to do with this. I dont know if any finances were frozen, but plenty of people were arrested, so if you want consistency with BLM, then shouldnt you be calling for truckers to be arrested?

 

[Cubs79]

On a scale of 1 to 10, where does this fall on the fascism spectrum?

You think freezing accounts that fund illegal activity is fascism?

 

[Crazyhole]

You think freezing accounts that fund illegal activity is fascism?

Deflection.

 

[Cubs79]

Deflection.

It is a dumb question, freezing accounts has happened for all kinds of reasons, and you know that. To try to say it is fascism now is stupid. Do you think it is ever ok to freeze accounts?

 

[Cubs79]

10 fascism. Unfortunately they have been programmed to not even know.

So, by this logic no accounts should ever be frozen if they are involved with illegal activity. No freezing accounts that fund terrorism or any kind of organized crime, money laundering or any type of financial fraud, etc etc.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Conversely there are small businesses that are profiting more from the truckers being present than they have since the COVID lockdown laws forced them to close or greatly restricted their businesses.

Im not for blockades and obstructions as protests. But they do make a very strong point because they’re dangerous and disruptive. And like the BLM protests, there are a good many people in the general public that support the message as well.

It’s simple to me: “My cause is so important that it justifies this” is never a good excuse or reason. Being an asshole for whatever cause doesn’t work.

 

[Crazyhole]

So, by this logic no accounts should ever be frozen if they are involved with illegal activity. No freezing accounts that fund terrorism or any kind of organized crime, money laundering or any type of financial fraud, etc etc.

By your logic, all the government has to do is make a law and if you don't comply, then can seize your bank account.

 

[Cubs79]

By your logic, all the government has to do is make a law and if you don't comply, then can seize your bank account.

They are freezing accounts because they are blockading streets, not because they arent complying with a law. The law only impacts American and Mexican drivers who cross the border, it doesnt even really affect Canadian drivers.

 

[Cubs79]

It’s simple to me: “My cause is so important that it justifies this” is never a good excuse or reason. Being an asshole for whatever cause doesn’t work.

i just dont understand how many of the same people who bitched and whined about BLM protests, are now not just supporting protests, but think the law shouldnt apply to them. Weird how so many peoples views do a complete 180 depending on the issue being protested.

 

[UCFKnight85]

The funny thing is that I used to cross the Canadian border by car 4-5 times a year. The Canadian border agents would basically wave you along with minimal questions or concern. Anything in your car? We don’t care!

When crossing back into the US the CBP would act like I was just returning from Syria. I got pulled aside twice for having a Saudi visa.

 

[Crazyhole]

They are freezing accounts because they are blockading streets, not because they arent complying with a law. The law only impacts American and Mexican drivers who cross the border, it doesnt even really affect Canadian drivers.

No. They are freezing accounts of people that donate to the truckers cause as well.

 

[Cubs79]

No. They are freezing accounts of people that donate to the truckers cause as well.

Because they are financially supporting an illegal actiivity.

 

[Crazyhole]

Because they are financially supporting an illegal actiivity.

So just make something like protests illegal, and then you can seize bank accounts of those that support it. Right?

 

[Cubs79]

So just make something like protests illegal, and then you can seize bank accounts of those that support it. Right?

The illegal part is the blockade. You are acting as if they are standing on a street corner holding signs, or just marching through the streets for a night and going home. I mean, Trump had protestors tear gassed just so he could get a photo op, and I am pretty sure a lot of you were ok with it, because you didnt believe in the cause. But, if you believe in the cause then I guess there shouldnt be any sort of consequences or something. They are also not "seizing bank accts", they are "freezing" them, which is a significant difference.

SO let me ask you. If someone is protesting should laws not apply to them? That seems to be what you are arguing. And does that apply to all protests, or just ones you support?

 

[Crazyhole]

The illegal part is the blockade. You are acting as if they are standing on a street corner holding signs, or just marching through the streets for a night and going home. I mean, Trump had protestors tear gassed just so he could get a photo op, and I am pretty sure a lot of you were ok with it, because you didnt believe in the cause. But, if you believe in the cause then I guess there shouldnt be any sort of consequences or something. They are also not "seizing bank accts", they are "freezing" them, which is a significant difference.

SO let me ask you. If someone is protesting should laws not apply to them? That seems to be what you are arguing. And does that apply to all protests, or just ones you support?

Where did tear gassing the protestors fall on the fascism spectrum? 1-10.

 

[Cubs79]

Where did tear gassing the protestors fall on the fascism spectrum? 1-10.

Is this what you are going to do now? Keeping asking this dumb question about some fictional scale and avoid the actual points of my post? Anyway, I will answer using your criteria, if freezing accts that support illegal acts is fascism in your view, then I would assume you would have to have tear gassing protestors as a 10 on the fascism scale.

WOuld you prefer the truckers were tear gassed like the BLM protestors?

 

[Crazyhole]

Is this what you are going to do now? Keeping asking this dumb question about some fictional scale and avoid the actual points of my post? Anyway, I will answer using your criteria, if freezing accts that support illegal acts is fascism in your view, then I would assume you would have to have tear gassing protestors as a 10 on the fascism scale.

WOuld you prefer the truckers were tear gassed like the BLM protestors?

The only point you've made is that the government can make whatever law it wants and if the people don't obey or support those who protest against it can be punished to any extent the government sees fit.

 

[Cubs79]

The only point you've made is that the government can make whatever law it wants and if the people don't obey or support those who protest against it can be punished to any extent the government sees fit.

Huh? I am pretty suring blockading the streets isnt a new law. Do you think blockading the streets should be legal I take it?

 

[Crazyhole]

Is THIS fascism?

 

[Cubs79]

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Is THIS fascism?

Towing vehicles for blocking streets is now fascism?

 

[Crazyhole]

Towing vehicles for blocking streets is now fascism?

Compelling companies to do something by force of government.

 

[Cubs79]

Compelling companies to do something by force of government.

He said nothing about forcing them.

 

[Cubs79]

Compelling companies to do something by force of government.

Do you think they should be able to theoretically block the roads forever? Seriously asking.

 

[Crazyhole]

He said nothing about forcing them.

What does the word "compel" mean when it comes to government?

 

[Cubs79]

What does the word "compel" mean when it comes to government?

Probably pay them, but I dont know, he will have to explain that.

 

[Crazyhole]

Do you think they should be able to theoretically block the roads forever? Seriously asking.

It wouldn't be necessary if Trudeau engaged in a good faith conversation with them. I have no doubt that they could come to an agreement.

 

[Cubs79]

Trump was elected because of "law and order". For the people who support Trump, how you go from "law and order", to laws shouldnt matter?

 

[Crazyhole]

Probably pay them, but I dont know, he will have to explain that.

Compel:

transitive verb​

1. To force (a person) to do something; drive or constrain: synonym: force.
2. To necessitate or require, as by force of circumstance; demand.
3. To exert a strong, irresistible force on; sway.

 

[Cubs79]

It wouldn't be necessary if Trudeau engaged in a good faith conversation with them. I have no doubt that they could come to an agreement.

An agreement how? Doesnt seem like a whole of negotiating room, it is either lift the mandates or dont.

 

[Crazyhole]

An agreement how? Doesnt seem like a whole of negotiating room, it is either lift the mandates or dont.

If that's the case, then JFK was correct. Leave no room for a peaceful revolution and you'll get a violent revolution.