So far there are 14 plays who have opted to redshirt and not play the remainder of the season. Will there be more remains to be seen. Is this a cause of concern? Has Gus lost the team?
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I would say the bigger negative is the players leaving are local players from Apopka and Sanford. Makes it tougher next go round to have players from the local schools to commit.
Also doesn't seem to be much talk about John Walker status, he shouldn't play more than 4 games. However, I would think his return next year is not guaranteed either.
Also doesn't seem to be much talk about John Walker status, he shouldn't play more than 4 games. However, I would think his return next year is not guaranteed either.
Of course but with the redshirt rules mixed with NIL transfer this is the new college football. With the playoffs now bowl games really don't matter other than extra practice.
it is pretty obvious Walker is going to transfer if this coaching staff remains in place
so i haven't been here for some time now, as a k-state fan we don't play. i thought gus's bus was loaded and said the knights were a b12 dark horse. now they have turned into a dark house. what the hell happened - injuries, transfers, qb?
14!?! That number seems higher than I thought it was?
Townsend, Wells, Threats, Call, Boomer, Moore. One offensive lineman (Dorsey). Who else am I missing?
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No surprise. No reason for him to play. Now if Malzahn can't keep him on the team, then his one lone positive attribute is lost.
Now this is interesting. Pretty massive miss by the staff to now have your high paid QB captain will not even see the field anymore.
When he said this, how do you not follow up with what is KJ Jefferson's status, and are you really saying the 17-year old is a better option as backup than the 3-year SEC starter?
I'm fine with us going with Brown. There's talent there, and KJ wasn't getting it done, so see what Brown has and figure out if you have to go back to the portal again next season, but why is KJ just out of the picture completely?
Only hope is to avoid NIL pay. However, knowing how this has been managed so far they are probably going to have some stipulation that requires them to pay him more not to play.
This is interesting, is it possible for NIL money to be contingent on starting or playing a certain amount of games?
I don't know if that feels right, when it's a college kid we're talking about. I know it's common practice in professional contracts.
These are professional contracts. K.J. and the rest of these guys are being paid to play football. And for the most part they aren't kids or even students -- they are 18 or older, and they jump from school to school like hired mercenaries. There is no reason to continue acting like these are kids playing for their schools and the love of the game.
Details of professional contracts are publicly known. These NIL deals are not. I just don’t understand why some of our reporters don’t ask the question, “Is KJ no longer playing for NIL reasons?”
No most pro contracts dont stipulate playing or starting. Dashaun Watson can sit at home and get $100 Mil. There are bonuses put in on getting TDs, sacks etc. But the contract gets paid base pay no matter what. With NiL I think it should be weekly payouts. If a guy is still on team in good standing, he gets paid. If he sits out, bye bye money.
I’m talking about incentives, not the base salary. In baseball players might have incentives if they have a certain amount of games or hit a certain amount of home runs. Same in football games played, receptions, tackles. I’m purely speculating but maybe Jefferson had incentives that would get him more money if he played a certain amount of games, or TD passes or something, and some money man said we’re not paying that incentive, so now KJ isn’t even an option even though he’s still on the team.
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What a mess all of this paying of players in any form is turning out to be. How does a coach or a school even know whether they have a team year to year. When Universities start paying them directly I think it will get even worse. Seems all this wasn't thought through very well.
You’re saying KJ told Gus he’s not playing anymore because the money won’t get paid it Gus was told not to play him because they aren’t paying? That wouldn’t be smart on NIL to refuse to pay. No one would come here. It’s probably just Gus getting backlash for KJ not winning do he’s saving him from the constant outcries. But maybe the money won’t get paid. I don’t know. Wouldn’t be good though.
I’m speculating that Gus was told to make sure that KJ doesn’t play rest of the year, and only reason I can think why is money. Save him from constant outcries? KJ is coming from SEC country. You don’t think there were constant outcries throughout the state of Arkansas when they were going 4-8 last year? I can buy KJ is not getting it done so let’s see what Jacurri, our other transfer QB, has. What I can’t buy, is one week being 100% completely all in on KJ, and the next KJ is not even in the picture. He’s so not in the picture that the 17 year old is above him in the depth chart now. There’s gotta be more to the story.
I mean, this stuff is not always a conspiracy. Gus is a terrible, completely inept in-game coach, but he wants to win. No coach wants to lose.
He brought in KJ because he thought it was the right move, and now he’s pivoting because he doesn’t think he gives the team the best chance to win. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is, can Grandpa Boom coach up the other quarterbacks enough to actually close out winnable games? I don’t question that he wants what is best for the program. I just seriously question if Gus will ever find consistent success when he’s the one calling plays, managing the clock, making in-game critical decisions.
He’s not nearly as harmful to the program on Sunday-Friday. It’s just for a few hours on Fall Saturdays that Malzahn has hurt this program so much.
He brought in KJ because he thought it was the right move, and now he’s pivoting because he doesn’t think he gives the team the best chance to win. Nothing wrong with that.
The problem is, can Grandpa Boom coach up the other quarterbacks enough to actually close out winnable games? I don’t question that he wants what is best for the program. I just seriously question if Gus will ever find consistent success when he’s the one calling plays, managing the clock, making in-game critical decisions.
He’s not nearly as harmful to the program on Sunday-Friday. It’s just for a few hours on Fall Saturdays that Malzahn has hurt this program so much.
Again, the fact that KJ is no longer starting I’m not batting an eye at. What’s giving me pause is the fact that they’re treating KJ like he’s no longer even on the team even though he’s dressed the last 2 games.
People on this board have ****ing reading comprehension issues. KJ is getting what he’s promised. I’m simply asking the question, are stats based incentives part of NIL, goals to meet, that would possibly get him more money. That’s what the previous poster implied, and I could see that as a reason why KJ is not just replaced but completely out of the picture.
C’mon, Gus is a bad football coach. He’s not mentally handicapped. We weren’t the only team in on KJ Jefferson in the off-season. We’ve had last minute drives to try and tie or win the game both of the last two games. Say Brown had been hurt on or before the last two drives, do you think the right guy to bring in would be the guy with almost 700 career college completions or the 17 year old with 0 college completions? From what Gus is indicating, it would’ve been the guy with 0. There has to be more to the story.
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Believe me, I’m not a big fan of Gus. I agree with you about him. That being said KJ it is not good. Our offensive scheme does not help either.
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