Conference Realignment Thread

[PositYourself]

I don't understand how a conference can function for fans beyond 16 teams.

With 16, you've got 2 divisions with your team playing the 7 in your division and then alternating 2 cross-division games every year. So you'd be playing each cross-div team at least once every 4 years.

As a fan, I wouldn't be happy playing cross-divisional teams every 5 or 6 or 7 years (depending on how many teams you had - 18, 20, 24 or 30).

I don't understand how 24 or 30 teams would viably work for fans, in terms of the frequency of play between schools.

 

[Knight59]

Any guesses which four?

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Word is it will be called the PAC-It-In conference, cause they’re done as a P5!

 

[80'sKnight]

How would adding those 4 help them in any way other than to say the PAC still exists?

I've read so many articles that just keeping the PAC alive was the most important thing in life. Bizarre. How does adding 8 or more G5 make PAC anything more than a G5+?

By the way, one 'expert' said 4 from AAC, 4 from MWC would make a $10 million TV contract, because of the numbers of eyes- even if they don't actually watch any of it.

 

[Yaes]

I've read so many articles that just keeping the PAC alive was the most important thing in life. Bizarre. How does adding 8 or more G5 make PAC anything more than a G5+?

By the way, one 'expert' said 4 from AAC, 4 from MWC would make a $10 million TV contract, because of the numbers of eyes- even if they don't actually watch any of it.

And there may be some truth to that for a while but don't they make money by number of viewers and advertising? No viewers, why advertise?

 

[Central Floridave]

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

With playing teams not as often, you create a must buy a ticket and go because you can’t just say , we’ll go next year. You have to wait a few years to see them again in person.

 

[vroomba]

All of this conference realignment is unsustainable. It's really just a shake up to align the top brands with each other, its just slowly coming. If top brands like bama/oklahoma/ohio st/michigan/clemson etc could form their own league and just play each other they would. Luckily for us I believe the brands in the B12 are relatively on par with each other, so hopefully that provides some stability. That's probably what the future of CFB will look like, similarly sized brands in their own tiers.

 

[Poolside Knight]

 

[U C to the F]

That’s funny af lmfao

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

All of this conference realignment is unsustainable. It's really just a shake up to align the top brands with each other, its just slowly coming. If top brands like bama/oklahoma/ohio st/michigan/clemson etc could form their own league and just play each other they would. Luckily for us I believe the brands in the B12 are relatively on par with each other, so hopefully that provides some stability. That's probably what the future of CFB will look like, similarly sized brands in their own tiers.

Nah. Clemson has not been great the last couple years and sucked most years before Dabo. Wing good happens in cycles. Bana sucked for a few years before Saban. We beat them and we weren’t great.

 

[DaShuckster]

All of this conference realignment is unsustainable.

Yep.

It's really just a shake up to align the top brands with each other, its just slowly coming. If top brands like bama/oklahoma/ohio st/michigan/clemson etc could form their own league and just play each other they would.

Trust me, that's EXACTLY what the acquisitions in the SEC and B1G are all about. News flash to the Big XII: They don't plan to share.

Luckily for us I believe the brands in the B12 are relatively on par with each other, so hopefully that provides some stability.

And that is good for the league's future existence. But that said, the playoff system in college football is on the verge of changing dramatically.

Don't shoot the messenger, but the future national championship format is shaping up to be a 'mini-NFL' with a National Conference (B1G) and an American Conference (SEC.) Schools not in either two conferences will be left to figure out their own playoff system if they can generate enough TV interest.

 

[Gwoz]

Nah. Clemson has not been great the last couple years and sucked most years before Dabo. Wing good happens in cycles. Bana sucked for a few years before Saban. We beat them and we weren’t great.

Clemson has finished with double digits wins every year since 2011, they are not finishing in the top 6 like they did for 6 years in a row, but finished in the top 15 the last two year. 99% of the league would love to be that version of 'not great'.

Any team can have off years, key injuries, bad luck, bad coach hire. However, revenue gaps is only growing with the latest tv contracts and makes it easier to pick up the best coaching staffs and players. Back when Alabama lost to UCF their tv payout was around $1 million, in 2024 it will be $70 million. Big Ten teams went from getting less than a million around 2000 to now will get $100 million.

College football landscape in 2000 was amateur athletics, college football in 2023 is not. I am not familiar enough with how NFL, NBA formed and consolidated other professional leagues, but it feels like that's where this is headed.

From a marketing and TV revenue standpoint, ESPN, CBS, FOX would absolutely find it more lucrative to just have 30-40 teams to focus on. The general population (which a lot larger than Alumni) is more likely to tune in for Texas to play Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma then Texas to play Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, or even the current relevant TCU. Will it get stale over time, absolutely, but in the meantime every game will have monster ratings with the hope of making each school like an NFL brand.

 

[Yaes]

Yep.

Trust me, that's EXACTLY what the acquisitions in the SEC and B1G are all about. News flash to the Big XII: They don't plan to share.

And that is good for the league's future existence. But that said, the playoff system in college football is on the verge of changing dramatically.

Don't shoot the messenger, but the future national championship format is shaping up to be a 'mini-NFL' with a National Conference (B1G) and an American Conference (SEC.) Schools not in either two conferences will be left to figure out their own playoff system if they can generate enough TV interest.

Alas, I'm afraid that is the way things are going. Can't do anything about it but I don't like it.

 

[Yaes]

Clemson has finished with double digits wins every year since 2011, they are not finishing in the top 6 like they did for 6 years in a row, but finished in the top 15 the last two year. 99% of the league would love to be that version of 'not great'.

Any team can have off years, key injuries, bad luck, bad coach hire. However, revenue gaps is only growing with the latest tv contracts and makes it easier to pick up the best coaching staffs and players. Back when Alabama lost to UCF their tv payout was around $1 million, in 2024 it will be $70 million. Big Ten teams went from getting less than a million around 2000 to now will get $100 million.

College football landscape in 2000 was amateur athletics, college football in 2023 is not. I am not familiar enough with how NFL, NBA formed and consolidated other professional leagues, but it feels like that's where this is headed.

From a marketing and TV revenue standpoint, ESPN, CBS, FOX would absolutely find it more lucrative to just have 30-40 teams to focus on. The general population (which a lot larger than Alumni) is more likely to tune in for Texas to play Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma then Texas to play Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, or even the current relevant TCU. Will it get stale over time, absolutely, but in the meantime every game will have monster ratings with the hope of making each school like an NFL brand.

Most likely but lIke I said, don't like it!

 

[80'sKnight]

Has anyone else read of the fanatical sadness of the magical letters PAC leaving NCAA football forever? "OMG 100 years of history gone." Just the outpouring of 'how horrible' that the PAC has died. It's gotten so silly that if they added Elon, W. Georgia, Columbia, usf, and Slippery Rock, they'd still want to call it a power conference. Knew I was right the worst thing our ex-conference did was let the name Big East go. Just stupid. Or maybe we should have just name the conference some mixture of the magical PAC letters.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Has anyone else read of the fanatical sadness of the magical letters PAC leaving NCAA football forever? "OMG 100 years of history gone." Just the outpouring of 'how horrible' that the PAC has died. It's gotten so silly that if they added Elon, W. Georgia, Columbia, usf, and Slippery Rock, they'd still want to call it a power conference. Knew I was right the worst thing our ex-conference did was let the name Big East go. Just stupid. Or maybe we should have just name the conference some mixture of the magical PAC letters.

Even called the Big East, would have been 6th best Conference and not P5 worthy.

 

[HailToPitt725]

Has anyone else read of the fanatical sadness of the magical letters PAC leaving NCAA football forever? "OMG 100 years of history gone." Just the outpouring of 'how horrible' that the PAC has died. It's gotten so silly that if they added Elon, W. Georgia, Columbia, usf, and Slippery Rock, they'd still want to call it a power conference. Knew I was right the worst thing our ex-conference did was let the name Big East go. Just stupid. Or maybe we should have just name the conference some mixture of the magical PAC letters.

Had to throw a “like” for the Slippery Rock reference!

 

[U C to the F]

Even called the Big East, would have been 6th best Conference and not P5 worthy.

P6 baby!

 

[80'sKnight]

Even called the Big East, would have been 6th best Conference and not P5 worthy.

Yes, but probably would have had an easier path to a power conference level, since most talking heads in NCAA football are just name queens. Performances my Memphis, UCF, Cincy, Houston would have had an easier acceptance to these talking heads if they could have said 'The Big East is back.' It wouldn't have taken much since the Big East was seen by many as the weakest of the BCS.

 

[DaShuckster]

Yes, but probably would have had an easier path to a power conference level, since most talking heads in NCAA football are just name queens. Performances my Memphis, UCF, Cincy, Houston would have had an easier acceptance to these talking heads if they could have said 'The Big East is back.' It wouldn't have taken much since the Big East was seen by many as the weakest of the BCS.

I agree. Name is everything. There's a reason why the Big Ten kept its name after Penn State's admission made it eleven.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

I agree. Name is everything. There's a reason why the Big Ten kept its name after Penn State's admission made it eleven.

Yes in that instance. But if 6 of the best 10 leave and 6 lesser schools take the place,same name won’t mean much. PAC 10 will lose credibility even if it keeps name.

 

[DaShuckster]

Yes in that instance. But if 6 of the best 10 leave and 6 lesser schools take the place,same name won’t mean much. PAC 10 will lose credibility even if it keeps name.

But consider this: If the remaining Pac schools were to merge with the Mountain West, changing the conference's name to the Pac 10 would be a no brainer. Would it be the same as before? Nope. But it would have a heck of a lot more prestige than remaining the Mountain West.

In the business world, big corporations buy smaller companies for their name all the time.

 

[Yaes]

But consider this: If the remaining Pac schools were to merge with the Mountain West, changing the conference's name to the Pac 10 would be a no brainer. Would it be the same as before? Nope. But it would have a heck of a lot more prestige than remaining the Mountain West.

In the business world, big corporations buy smaller companies for their name all the time.

I agree 100%

 

[80'sKnight]

If I remember right, back in the 80s, when I was at UCF, wasn't it called 'Goodwill'? The name brand was it's goodwill. The old conference gave up everything when it became the American.

 

[Central Floridave]

funny clip

 

[Spectrumalaska]

Yes in that instance. But if 6 of the best 10 leave and 6 lesser schools take the place,same name won’t mean much. PAC 10 will lose credibility even if it keeps name.

You are describing your new conference.
By your very definition the name has lost credibility.

There is no P5 now.

Good luck in “Midgets and Misfits”, this year.

 

[ucfmba2k2]

If I remember right, back in the 80s, when I was at UCF, wasn't it called 'Goodwill'? The name brand was it's goodwill. The old conference gave up everything when it became the American.

Gave it up for pennies on the dollar. Basically sold the name to the basketball schools for $50mm

 

[beelit47]

You are describing your new conference.
By your very definition the name has lost credibility.

There is no P5 now.

Good luck in “Midgets and Misfits”, this year.

Says the midget and misfit from a school that cant win games

 

[SkiDog291]

You are describing your new conference.
By your very definition the name has lost credibility.

There is no P5 now.

Good luck in “Midgets and Misfits”, this year.

LOL...Nobraska has won like 10 games in the past 7 yrs. Let that sink in. You guys suck, really bad and it won't be getting better soon. Once the B1G adopts pay-per-performance, you'll be the misfits worrying about being dropped like Wazzu and OSU. Save this post.

 

[muckdawg24]

Saw something that Cal and Stanford are exploring joining the B12 if the ACC deal fails.

 

[Guinness_Knight]

Cal and Stanford can kick rocks. Absolutely don’t want them anywhere near our conference.

 

[U C to the F]

Cal and Stanford can kick rocks. Absolutely don’t want them anywhere near our conference.

Same, I just don’t get the appeal of either, especially the entire remaining Pac-4. There’s that rumor going around too. It would be bad for UCF to go that far west when it isn’t needed, nor good football quality adds.

 

[The Knightman Cometh]

100% in the camp that wants nothing to do with the leftover Pac12 teams, especially the California schools. McMurphy recently put out that B12 has not been in contact with any of those schools

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

No on Stanford. Their academic requirements will keep football from being consistent.

 

[DaShuckster]

LOL...Nobraska has won like 10 games in the past 7 yrs. Let that sink in. You guys suck, really bad and it won't be getting better soon. Once the B1G adopts pay-per-performance, you'll be the misfits worrying about being dropped like Wazzu and OSU.

As a life-long Nebraska fan, I feel compelled to respond. I wasn't a part of your fight and I'm not replying in order to beat my chest and engage in a WWE-style rant. Truth is, I'd love to see both Nebraska and UCF succeed.

The Cornhuskers have been through some really tough times, the worst in my lifetime. But the program is one of college football's Bluebloods. Every game in Nebraska's Memorial Stadium has been sold out since 1962. Tell me, how many schools in this country could experience six straight, bowl-less, losing seasons while continuing to sell out a 90,000-seat stadium?

If you think the program will never return to the limelight, keep an eye on them the next few years. You might be surprised.

Save this post.

I will.

 

[U C to the F]

As a life-long Nebraska fan, I feel compelled to respond. I wasn't a part of your fight and I'm not replying in order to beat my chest and engage in a WWE-style rant. Truth is, I'd love to see both Nebraska and UCF succeed.

The Cornhuskers have been through some really tough times, the worst in my lifetime. But the program is one of college football's Bluebloods. Every game in Nebraska's Memorial Stadium has been sold out since 1962. Tell me, how many schools in this country could experience six straight, bowl-less, losing seasons while continuing to sell out a 90,000-seat stadium?

If you think the program will never return to the limelight, keep an eye on them the next few years. You might be surprised.

I will.

I think Matt Rhule was a great hire. They have the facilities, they have the money and they are in the perceived P2 (hate that term). To say they will never be good again, I doubt that. The Big10 is pretty weak outside Mich/OSU, they could come up quickly. I see them being good again with the right coaching staff.

 

[Knight59]

I think Matt Rhule was a great hire. They have the facilities, they have the money and they are in the perceived P2 (hate that term). To say they will never be good again, I doubt that. The Big10 is pretty weak outside Mich/OSU, they could come up quickly. I see them being good again with the right coaching staff.

Ok. You’re a top recruit in Florida, Texas, California. Do YOU want to live in NEBRASKA?!?

 

[U C to the F]

Ok. You’re a top recruit in Florida, Texas, California. Do YOU want to live in NEBRASKA?!?

Ugh, no…but I would t want to go to Michigan or OSU either, I hate the cold.

 

[DaShuckster]

Ok. You’re a top recruit in Florida, Texas, California. Do YOU want to live in NEBRASKA?!?

LOL YOU want to say THAT after the summer that Florida, Texas, and California have just had?

Nebraska has everything that anyone living in the middle of Texas has except the weeks-long, triple-digit temps and the frequent tornados.

 

[80'sKnight]

In Texas and Florida you get to experience male gonads that aren't hiding inside your body during the winter.