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Cops at it Again - Black Woman Dies

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http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/21/sandra-blands-death-in-jail-all-for-not

Reason w a quality short read (as usual) shows another good for nothing pig "just doing his job" on a power trip & woman winds up dead. Literally brings Cartman "respect my authority" to mind.

Like how these particular Mensa cops tell a citizen to stop filming - but I thought "if you got nothing to hide" guess it only works against freedom

"The dashcam video of when and how the police ended up dragging Sandra Bland out of her car in Texas, then sending her to jail where she died, is circulating, and it's as appalling as anyone could have guessed.

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This is the modern police state, as we've been warning/revealing to you for many years here. The police have an array of ridiculously petty reasons to begin interacting with us, all intended just to get money from us. (In this case, lane change with failure to signal.)

Once such an interaction begins, the cop can and will order you to do anything he wants for any reason he wants.

If you resist, he will physically assault you and arrest you and, in this case, essentially kill you as Bland died in jail, an alleged suicide now being investigated as murder, as Matt Welch wrote earlier today.
 
Thank God we have Ron Paul fans to warn us peons of the coming modern police state*
 
Completely crazy that this woman is now dead over a failure to signal. I hope they get that pos and hes charged with her death. Would love to see him rot in a cell the rest of his life.
 
This isn't a sign of a new modern police state, it's just more indication that some of the shittiest people in America end up being cops. The more stuff like this comes out, the more departments will have to work harder to screen out the very small fraction of idiots that behave this way

The most racist POS I knew growing up is now a police officer in Belton, TX. Talked about getting a tattoo on his chest that said "watch out n!gger the klan's getting bigger" so he could flex it and have the message get bigger. Absolute meathead moron, now he's a cop. On the other side, one of the brightest guys I know is an officer for Flagler county. Most cops fit in the latter category.
 
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UCFWayne said:
Completely crazy that this woman is now dead over a failure to signal. I hope they get that pos and hes charged with her death. Would love to see him rot in a cell the rest of his life.
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The arrest was complete shit.

But, I'm still not making the connection between this arrest and her winding up dead in a cell. Unless they're literally saying that prison guards came into the room to murder her, which would seem highly unlikely.
 
I think that all people who don't use turn signals should be killed. This state would drop behind Montana in population.
 
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I just want to know if a cop can arrest you for smoking in their presence.
 
Why are the conversations around things like this held at such a low level? The title of the blogpost:
Sandra Bland's Death in Jail: All For Not Putting out a Cigarette When Illegitimately Ordered to by Cop.

Her death in jail probably had little to do with her not putting out a cigarette and the cop did not order her to put out it out. He asked politely. The arrest seemed unnecessary, but why does the rhetoric surrounding this situation have to be some good guy/bad guy narrative where the only possible outcome is that cops are evil? This is childish thinking. The situation is much more complex than this blog is willing/capable of presenting. Real life doesn't work like a cartoon where the villains are always bad and the hero is always good.
 
UCFEE said:
This isn't a sign of a new modern police state, it's just more indication that some of the shittiest people in America end up being cops.
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Usually a profession of last resort for people who ****ed up as teenagers, can't get a real job, and are at least smart enough to realize being a cop is easy and requires no knowledge.*
 
Happy Hands said:
Why are the conversations around things like this held at such a low level? The title of the blogpost:
Sandra Bland's Death in Jail: All For Not Putting out a Cigarette When Illegitimately Ordered to by Cop.

Her death in jail probably had little to do with her not putting out a cigarette and the cop did not order her to put out it out. He asked politely. The arrest seemed unnecessary, but why does the rhetoric surrounding this situation have to be some good guy/bad guy narrative where the only possible outcome is that cops are evil? This is childish thinking. The situation is much more complex than this blog is willing/capable of presenting. Real life doesn't work like a cartoon where the villains are always bad and the hero is always good.
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This is absolutely correct, and will blow the minds of simpletons like EE.
 
UCFEE said:
Probably was suicide, she had depression and PTSD. This kind of incident and the complete disregard for another human's rights is the exact kind of thing that can trigger someone with depression.
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TIL: EE is also a psychiatrist.
 
Happy Hands said:
Why are the conversations around things like this held at such a low level? The title of the blogpost:
Sandra Bland's Death in Jail: All For Not Putting out a Cigarette When Illegitimately Ordered to by Cop.

Her death in jail probably had little to do with her not putting out a cigarette and the cop did not order her to put out it out. He asked politely. The arrest seemed unnecessary, but why does the rhetoric surrounding this situation have to be some good guy/bad guy narrative where the only possible outcome is that cops are evil? This is childish thinking. The situation is much more complex than this blog is willing/capable of presenting. Real life doesn't work like a cartoon where the villains are always bad and the hero is always good.
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He executed a legal stop for the lane signal. He had a warning ticket when she became combative after refusing to identify (which is a crime in most states during a Terry stop). He asked her to put out the cigarette, which whether you believe it or not could be used as an incapacitating agent if shoved into someone's face. So he's still within his perfect rights. She refused a lawful order while lawfully detained. He ordered her out of the car where he can see everything that she is doing since she is being combative and not following orders and this worries him. She refused another lawful order.

At this point (and really any point previous to this) people sometimes pull guns out from the multitude of places the cop cannot see in the car. She did not, but it happens all over the country a hell of a lot more often than you'd think. So, while you don't have a problem with everything to this point, if you're this officer, his coworkers, or his wife you'd look at it differently.

He then attempts to pull her out of the car where she resists and tries to handcuff her. This is also for his safety. She continues to resist and won't let him cuff her and won't sit down to where she is not a potential threat. They go off camera where you hear the struggle. After she is finally cuffed and seated, you hear him ask the other officer if he saw what she did and she said yes. He says she kicked him and the other officer points out something on his pants, which I'd assume is a footprint. So she resisted with violence.

At the end, he pointed out the warning ticket that he was writing her and she'd have been long gone if she had been respectful and not combative in the first place.

None of this had anything to do with her hanging herself in her cell. Which is the most likely case especially since the motion activated camera wasn't activated for the time frame where she was hanged.
 
sk8knight said:
He executed a legal stop for the lane signal. He had a warning ticket when she became combative after refusing to identify (which is a crime in most states during a Terry stop). He asked her to put out the cigarette, which whether you believe it or not could be used as an incapacitating agent if shoved into someone's face. So he's still within his perfect rights. She refused a lawful order while lawfully detained. He ordered her out of the car where he can see everything that she is doing since she is being combative and not following orders and this worries him. She refused another lawful order.

At this point (and really any point previous to this) people sometimes pull guns out from the multitude of places the cop cannot see in the car. She did not, but it happens all over the country a hell of a lot more often than you'd think. So, while you don't have a problem with everything to this point, if you're this officer, his coworkers, or his wife you'd look at it differently.

He then attempts to pull her out of the car where she resists and tries to handcuff her. This is also for his safety. She continues to resist and won't let him cuff her and won't sit down to where she is not a potential threat. They go off camera where you hear the struggle. After she is finally cuffed and seated, you hear him ask the other officer if he saw what she did and she said yes. He says she kicked him and the other officer points out something on his pants, which I'd assume is a footprint. So she resisted with violence.

At the end, he pointed out the warning ticket that he was writing her and she'd have been long gone if she had been respectful and not combative in the first place.

None of this had anything to do with her hanging herself in her cell. Which is the most likely case especially since the motion activated camera wasn't activated for the time frame where she was hanged.
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You never fail to amaze me and I thank you!
 
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sk8knight said:
Good. I assume you disagree. Please, tell me which parts of my opinion of the view that you disagree with. I'd like to know where I'm wrong.
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It's amazing because by your logic, a cop can really detain anyone for any reason.

If a man armed with a gun and a taser fears for his safety over a woman armed with a cigarette, then that officer might as well fear for his safety in any situation. In that case, the officer can order anyone to do what he wants, that's a problem.

Look, most officers are good people, but when someone obviously fcked up lIke this and it's caught on camera, don't make up shit to defend them.
 
UCFEE said:
It's amazing because by your logic, a cop can really detain anyone for any reason.

If a man armed with a gun and a taser fears for his safety over a woman armed with a cigarette, then that officer might as well fear for his safety in any situation. In that case, the officer can order anyone to do what he wants, that's a problem.

Look, most officers are good people, but when someone obviously fcked up lIke this and it's caught on camera, don't make up shit to defend them.
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No, there are plenty of laws governing why an officer can detain someone. And plenty of laws governing what he can do during that stop. You should look those up. Start with Terry stop.

You obviously have never done that and so it's easy for you to say that I "make shit up."

He's not afraid of the cigarette. He's afraid of the hidden threat that he can't see and doesn't know about. Which becomes more of a threat the more combative that someone becomes.
 
Whether or not anyone wants to admit she was extremely threatening & combative. This fine constable should've shot this criminal on the spot.
 
Back to the article, and others like it- it's pure garbage written by morons.

The cop was a dick and this traffic stop should have gone much differently, but in no way does this implicate the officer in her actual death. If she killed herself then I'm guessing she had a lot bigger demons than this.
 
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Whether or not anyone wants to admit she was extremely threatening & combative. This fine constable should've shot this criminal on the spot.
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Also a stupid troll. I can agree he might've responded differently and it sucks that this happened and even that he should get some sensitivity training. But, in my non-expert non-lawyer opinion, I didn't see anything that he did that directly violated the law.
 
UCFKnight85 said:
Back to the article, and others like it- it's pure garbage written by morons.

The cop was a dick and this traffic stop should have gone much differently, but in no way does this implicate the officer in her actual death. If she killed herself then I'm guessing she had a lot bigger demons than this.
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If you watch the video, he was polite to her until his request for her to put out the cigarette was denied. There is also a traffic stop on the video before her's. He is polite to that person as well. I might question his judgement in the arrest (It seemed to go from 0-60 fast), but he doesn't seem like a dick in the video.
 
Happy Hands said:
If you watch the video, he was polite to her until his request for her to put out the cigarette was denied. There is also a traffic stop on the video before her's. He is polite to that person as well. I might question his judgement in the arrest (It seemed to go from 0-60 fast), but he doesn't seem like a dick in the video.
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If he's giving her a warning why does she need to put out her cigarette?
 
MACHater02 said:
If he's giving her a warning why does she need to put out her cigarette?
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Because it was rude and he was having trouble communicating with her. Also, I gave you another option. Also, if he is going to ask her out of the car, you wouldn't want that cigarette falling into the car. There's a ton of reasons. Why didn't she just do it?

Also, I'm pretty sure this came after she refused to identify.
 
sk8knight said:
Because it was rude and he was having trouble communicating with her. Also, I gave you another option. Also, if he is going to ask her out of the car, you wouldn't want that cigarette falling into the car. There's a ton of reasons. Why didn't she just do it?

Also, I'm pretty sure this came after she refused to identify.
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I know, I know. She was wielding her incapacitating agent, it was his only option. Don't do it again and have a nice day was out of the question. LMFAO!
 
MACHater02 said:
I know, I know. She was wielding her incapacitating agent, it was his only option. Don't do it again and have a nice day was out of the question. LMFAO!
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I didn't say it was his only option. I think, in hindsight and being able to watch the video in my own sweet time, what you've said is obviously the more appropriate action. But IMO, the requests were lawful (could very well be wrong) and they both escalated the situation. He'll be judged by the standard of objective reasonableness when that time comes.
 


Why didnt the cop arrest this guy? I guess its because of his whiny non threatening voice lol.
 
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