On top of that, that's not in a season where a team will only play 9 games.
DG having a top 10 season of all time and not in Heisman Duscussion. BS
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On top of that, that's not in a season where a team will only play 9 games.
1 out of 3 is not rare. I never said he was going to win it. I said having 2 losses doesn’t disqualify anyone. Period. The perception of our opponents is more of a factor than 2 losses.
2 losses after 10 to 12 games is different than 2 losses after 4 games. He is considered by the media to be a small conference, system QB.
The Heisman is a subjective poll based on opinion so the outcome is innately biased to begin with. It doesn't matter. What matters is what happens on the field.
Sure, it's a thrill but since the modern era of football began (~1991), not a chance in hell someone not from a BCS/P5 conference gets it. 2,567 yds rushing....dwell on it. That was 8th place. Sure, these were great college players but it also has little bearing on your pro career. In fact, it's a cautionary tale for teams taking Heisman guys that are QBs. Almost all of them were busts.
Of the 28 players below, only a handful really panned out at as a "Heisman" level talent in the NFL (3 of 28):
Desmond Howard (Special Teams. Definitely special and a game-changer...his actual WR stats are pretty abysmal over his career but was a game changer, and a Superbowl MVP)
Eddie George - Elite
Charles Woodson - All World
Above average careers (4 of 28):
Carson Palmer - Solid career
Reggie Bush - Elite talent but over time, his stats are probably barely above average. Couldn't carry the load of being a full-time starter but was a terror out of the backfield.
Ricky Williams - Elite talent but off-field issues limited his long-term prospects as "great". He certainly had several great season.
Cam Newton - Solid Career
The rest are average of busts (18 of 28):
Gino Toretta - Bust
Charlie Ward - Went to the NBA
Rashaan Salaam - Bust
Danny Wuerfel - Bust
Ron Dayne - Avg at best
Chris Weinke - Bust
Eric Crouch - Bust
Jason White - Bust
Matt Leinhart - Bust
Troy Smith - Bust
Tim Tebow - Bust
Sam Bradford - Bust
Marc Ingram - Very Solid Professional RB
RG3 - Bust
Johnny Manziel - Bust
Famous Jameis - A solid Pro QB but already relegated to backup status
Marcus Marrieta - Bust
Derrick Henry - All World
Unknown (4 of 28):
Lamar Jackson - Too early to assess
Baker Mayfield - Too early to assess
Kyler Murray - Too early to assess
Joe Burrow - Too early to assess
Sure, it's a thrill but since the modern era of football began (~1991), not a chance in hell someone not from a BCS/P5 conference gets it. 2,567 yds rushing....dwell on it. That was 8th place. Sure, these were great college players but it also has little bearing on your pro career. In fact, it's a cautionary tale for teams taking Heisman guys that are QBs. Almost all of them were busts.
Of the 28 players below, only a handful really panned out at as a "Heisman" level talent in the NFL (3 of 28):
Desmond Howard (Special Teams. Definitely special and a game-changer...his actual WR stats are pretty abysmal over his career but was a game changer, and a Superbowl MVP)
Eddie George - Elite
Charles Woodson - All World
Above average careers (4 of 28):
Carson Palmer - Solid career
Reggie Bush - Elite talent but over time, his stats are probably barely above average. Couldn't carry the load of being a full-time starter but was a terror out of the backfield.
Ricky Williams - Elite talent but off-field issues limited his long-term prospects as "great". He certainly had several great season.
Cam Newton - Solid Career
The rest are average of busts (18 of 28):
Gino Toretta - Bust
Charlie Ward - Went to the NBA
Rashaan Salaam - Bust
Danny Wuerfel - Bust
Ron Dayne - Avg at best
Chris Weinke - Bust
Eric Crouch - Bust
Jason White - Bust
Matt Leinhart - Bust
Troy Smith - Bust
Tim Tebow - Bust
Sam Bradford - Bust
Marc Ingram - Very Solid Professional RB
RG3 - Bust
Johnny Manziel - Bust
Famous Jameis - A solid Pro QB but already relegated to backup status
Marcus Marrieta - Bust
Derrick Henry - All World
Unknown (4 of 28):
Lamar Jackson - Too early to assess
Baker Mayfield - Too early to assess
Kyler Murray - Too early to assess
Joe Burrow - Too early to assess
That year that guy should not have won it. Ask Jim Brown of Syracuse who deserved it. But being black hindered his chances. 1958 i believe or 59. The Heisman used to be racist.
Heisman has never been an indicator for NFL success. Heisman is typically a combination of a hot player, on a successful team, that has an offensive scheme that tailors specifically for that player to amplify stats.
On top of that in most cases you get drafted by a team that is terrible.
For QB, unless your last name is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson you are basically an also ran to borderline nobody for the last 20 years (Mahomes can be added soon). 1/4 of the teams is lead by guys who have been starting for 10+ years.
Average RB career in NFL is 2.5 years. Virtually all RBs are busts now, either based on the game being pass focused, or its almost impossible to have enough carries to have meaningful yard totals and not end up injured.
UCF plays an offense that racks up stats, and gives the opportunity for Heisman attention. However, just like a lot of those Heisman QBs... Crouch, Manziel, Mariota. Milton success in college does not translate to NFL. And likely the same will apply Gabriel. You can even be an amazing talent, but end up on team with no quality receivers or an offensive line that leave you getting crushed every game. Neither Milton nor Gabriel can survive an NFL season taking beatings like a Cam Newton or Deshuan Watson has.
On top of that in most cases you get drafted by a team that is terrible.
For QB, unless your last name is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson you are basically an also ran to borderline nobody for the last 20 years (Mahomes can be added soon). 1/4 of the teams is lead by guys who have been starting for 10+ years.
Average RB career in NFL is 2.5 years. Virtually all RBs are busts now, either based on the game being pass focused, or its almost impossible to have enough carries to have meaningful yard totals and not end up injured.
UCF plays an offense that racks up stats, and gives the opportunity for Heisman attention. However, just like a lot of those Heisman QBs... Crouch, Manziel, Mariota. Milton success in college does not translate to NFL. And likely the same will apply Gabriel. You can even be an amazing talent, but end up on team with no quality receivers or an offensive line that leave you getting crushed every game. Neither Milton nor Gabriel can survive an NFL season taking beatings like a Cam Newton or Deshuan Watson has.
7 schools from C-USA in 2007 are in AAC in 2020, with Cincinnati being far-and-away the biggest upgrade of 2020 AAC. The 2020 versions of Temple of USF would fit well with 2007 C-USA. Navy is a slight upgrade for 2020 AAC.
DG is getting some attention already; it would be be more akin to KZ 2017 if UCF 2020 played more like Cincinnati 2020 or UCF 2017. Team-play matters in modern Heisman balloting. DG can really help his cause with a big win over Cincinnati.
