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These are the type of comments perpetuating the downward spiral of civility in this country.

Can anyone list some examples of sane politicians so we can establish a standard for comparison. All parties have radicals, bet everyone can name a few from each major party.

Instead of resorting to mindless name calling (that's what usf does), we should be considering both sides of an argument and establishing an independent, individual opinion instead of blindly joining the team with the same color jersey.

Focus on substance, content, forward looking vision/results. People with no vision nor solution path just like to make noise and disrupt.

Everyone side has radicals, but the GOP radicals are running the show, where as the Dem radicals are people who dont really have significant leadership roles for the most part.
 
Everyone side has radicals, but the GOP radicals are running the show, where as the Dem radicals are people who dont really have significant leadership roles for the most part.
Which ones?

Like the role of US president, speaker of the house, majority leader of the senate?

Media has gotten very good at distorting reality to fit a narrative. All sides are apart of it... It's up to individuals to exhibit some individualism in thought. I battle Republicans the same way.

The power pendulum has been swinging back & forth for decades, I don't like how radical many on the left is getting, stand back and review some of the policies, some are far too socialistic... Balance is imperative...Musk's illustration isn't too far off, I'd say even Republicans have been dragged to the left some.

What other independent thoughts can be shared?
 
These are the type of comments perpetuating the downward spiral of civility in this country.
Oh give me a f*king break!!! MY comments are 'perpetuating the downward spiral'???!? Have you been paying ANY attention to the batshit craziness the nutjobs on the Right have given us?

Focus on substance, content, forward looking vision/results. People with no vision nor solution path just like to make noise and disrupt.
I would be thrilled to engage in honest-to-goodness discussions of current events and the issues facing our country here. But the the vast majority of WC posts have zero to do with anything remotely resembling progressive vs. conservative thoughts and ideas. It's all mostly nutjob bullshit. I long for 'the good ole' days' when the Birther Movement was considered the craziest wacko conspiracy you could ever imagine.
 
Everyone side has radicals, but the GOP radicals are running the show, where as the Dem radicals are people who dont really have significant leadership roles for the most part.
In Florida yes, Nationally no.
 
Everyone side has radicals, but the GOP radicals are running the show, where as the Dem radicals are people who dont really have significant leadership roles for the most part.
It only seems like this because the federal government leaders are propped up old figureheads that never moved too far from their positions so they look moderate. But take a second to survey their staffers and you'll find loads of people who are anything but centrist. Not to mention that the young Democrats are the most activated of all of the politicians.
 
It only seems like this because the federal government leaders are propped up old figureheads that never moved too far from their positions so they look moderate. But take a second to survey their staffers and you'll find loads of people who are anything but centrist. Not to mention that the young Democrats are the most activated of all of the politicians.
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

What are these 'wild-eyed radicals' on the 'evil' left plotting that equals the sh*t the Right is doing?

What rivals retailiating against a company for---gasp---disagreeing with a State government decision let alone overturning Roe v Wade and setting up the government to take control of women and their right to her own body?

Inquiring Minds want to know.
 
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

What are these 'wild-eyed radicals' on the 'evil' left plotting that equals the sh*t the Right is doing?

What rivals retailiating against a company for---gasp---disagreeing with a State government decision let alone overturning Roe v Wade and setting up the government to take control of women and their right to her own body?

Inquiring Minds want to know.
Your party has formed a disinformation ministry of truth and an environmental Justice org. Spare me the theatrics.
 
It only seems like this because the federal government leaders are propped up old figureheads that never moved too far from their positions so they look moderate. But take a second to survey their staffers and you'll find loads of people who are anything but centrist. Not to mention that the young Democrats are the most activated of all of the politicians.

I dont care about their staffers, I care about policy. IF you are going to say the Democrats are radical, then you have to actually point to radical positions the party holds. And I dont mean every Democrats personal stances, because yes, you probably can find some radical views from an individual here and there, but that the actual party supports and tries to get passed. The Biden administration, the house, senate, etc, have done absolutely nothing radical. The biggest focus has probably been on infrastructure for goodness sake, which is something any country needs.
 
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I dont care about their staffers, I care about policy. IF you are going to say the Democrats are radical, then you have to actually point to radical positions the party holds.
This is the point where our Usual Suspects can be expected to post a crazy tweet from some obscure nobody and say: "SEE? This is how RADICAL you crazy libs are!!!"
The Biden administration, the house, senate, etc, have done absolutely nothing radical. The biggest focus has probably been on infrastructure for goodness sake, which is something any country needs.
THIS! ^^^^
 
Bottom line is Dems should be cheering on this action. A Mega Business is no longer getting special perks that no one else gets. That is something every liberal should like, not be complaining about. The bottom line is they don't like that it was a conservate body that did it, and it happened as a result of that business towing the progressive woke agenda. If Disney was pushing for an end to abortion and the Gov was a Democrat, they would be cheering him on.
 
I dont care about their staffers, I care about policy. IF you are going to say the Democrats are radical, then you have to actually point to radical positions the party holds. And I dont mean every Democrats personal stances, because yes, you probably can find some radical views from an individual here and there, but that the actual party supports and tries to get passed. The Biden administration, the house, senate, etc, have done absolutely nothing radical. The biggest focus has probably been on infrastructure for goodness sake, which is something any country needs.
Dude, you have lost all concept of what is radical and what is not. Or maybe the truth is that you are way the hell left and they haven’t done enough for you. But either way, remember that your team has created new departments and new levers of power. Don’t come crying when they’re used against you.
 
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Dude, you have lost all concept of what is radical and what is not. Or maybe the truth is that you are way the hell left and they haven’t done enough for you. But either way, remember that your team has created new departments and new levers of power. Don’t come crying when they’re used against you.

Every department in this country was created by political parties, that in and of itself is not radical. If you are talking about the "ministry of Truth" thing, that isnt a new department it is under the dept of homeland security. The dept of homeland security was established by the Bush administration, so if you think creating new departments is radical, then I would assume that Bush has to be a radical, correct? And also with regards to this, the purpose is to combat foreign propaganda, which is a national security issue. It is certainly possible it wont end up being a good thing, I understand the concerns with it, but if it is only used for the intended purpose, then I dont know that is necessarily a bad thing.
 
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The dept of homeland security was established by the Bush administration, so if you think creating new departments is radical, then I would assume that Bush has to be a radical, correct?
It would be fascinating to see a list of all the old Republican programs and policies that would be considered 'radical' today in the eyes of this Trumpster generation. Trust me, it would be a long one.
 
Every department in this country was created by political parties, that in and of itself is not radical. If you are talking about the "ministry of Truth" thing, that isnt a new department it is under the dept of homeland security. The dept of homeland security was established by the Bush administration, so if you think creating new departments is radical, then I would assume that Bush has to be a radical, correct? And also with regards to this, the purpose is to combat foreign propaganda, which is a national security issue. It is certainly possible it wont end up being a good thing, I understand the concerns with it, but if it is only used for the intended purpose, then I dont know that is necessarily a bad thing.
GOP recently spends just as much or more overall than Democrats. They just focus it on fighter jets rather than social programs or infrastructure.
 
GOP recently spends just as much or more overall than Democrats. They just focus it on fighter jets rather than social programs or infrastructure.
We have a Democrat President proposing we spend a few more billion dollars on Ukraine's military defense. Has everybody noticed this is massive deficit spending that both Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill are greenlighting without a peep?

If this money was earmarked for early childhood education or some other program to help our own people, the Republicans in Congress -- along with some conservative Democrats -- would be crying up a storm.
 
Someone who lives there can correct me if this is wrong with regards to Disney's special govt status. But, everything I am reading seems to indicate if the special status is removed, it just puts less of a financial burden on Disney, and more on tax payers in the 2 counties. So Desantis plan with Disney is to essentially make it cheaper for Disney to operate, while residents pick up the tab? How is this a bad thing for Disney?
I work with RCID all the time. It's very well run. Much stricter than any of the other municipalities I've worked with.
 
The new authoritarian GOP platform: If you businesses don't STFU and support everything we do, you're toast.
Disney should have 0 "SPECIAL" protections. They should be treated just like every other business. And only get their mega perks when congress passes special spending bills.
 
Disney should have 0 "SPECIAL" protections. They should be treated just like every other business. And only get their mega perks when congress passes special spending bills.
If you feel that way, fine and dandy. But you're ignoring the fact that States and cities across this nation have always offered "SPECIAL" deals (e.g. tax breaks, protections, etc.) to entice bigass corporations to locate in their neck of the woods. I could have sworn that kind of wheeling and dealing is called Capitalism.

What made this particular situation noteworty is that Florida's Republcan Governor and State legislature decided to 'punish' Disney by withdrawing one of their original incentives for not supporting their nonsense culture war bill.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, this silliness is guaranteed to backfire on DeSantis and his legislative cronies.
 
If you feel that way, fine and dandy. But you're ignoring the fact that States and cities across this nation have always offered "SPECIAL" deals (e.g. tax breaks, protections, etc.) to entice bigass corporations to locate in their neck of the woods. I could have sworn that kind of wheeling and dealing is called Capitalism.

What made this particular situation noteworty is that Florida's Republcan Governor and State legislature decided to 'punish' Disney by withdrawing one of their original incentives for not supporting their nonsense culture war bill.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, this silliness is guaranteed to backfire on DeSantis and his legislative cronies.
generally speaking these are usually tax breaks and have a time limit on them. And no I don't like that either, but that is different than a permanent set aside.
 
generally speaking these are usually tax breaks and have a time limit on them. And no I don't like that either, but that is different than a permanent set aside.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH....if the "SPECIAL" treatment local and state governments provide is only temporary, it's DIFFERENT. Got it.
 
Disney should have 0 "SPECIAL" protections. They should be treated just like every other business. And only get their mega perks when congress passes special spending bills.
I’m all for getting rid of lobbyists and special interest, but the basis for doing it shouldn’t be a partisan grudge against a single company.
 
GOP recently spends just as much or more overall than Democrats. They just focus it on fighter jets rather than social programs or infrastructure.
The federal government was already spending 71 billion directly on infrastructure and shipped 81 billion to the states. the add on bill would have spent 550 billion extra, 65 billion would go to internet including a $30 per month subsidy to pay peoples access. 66 billion for high speed rail which few people use or want to use. On top of the $71 billion per year the feds are already spending, Local and States spend over $191 billion, assuming 81 billion of that came from Feds, you have 152 Billion per year spent. Those #s tell me it isn't what is spent, but rather how poorly it is spent. The $55 billion extra would have been spent over 5 years, so basically $11 billion of borrowed money yearly which is amounts to a 7% increase per year is supposed to be a fix it all up. Sorry I don't think so.
 
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I hope Disney pulls Desantis card. Orlando aint s**t w/o Disney, you guys better tell Desantis 2 show more respect.
 
What's Disney going to do? Pick up and move? To shithole Alabammer?????????

BTW, Disney fired their PR Chief three months into the job. I wonder why?!??!
People will go to Disney, wherever they build it. The people that visit disney can give 2 s**ts about a city in Florida that doesn't have any beaches. So yes, take Disney out of Orlando and you guys will not even be able to hold onto the Orlando Magic.
 
Disney infrastructure in Central Florida is immense... Certainly Quantifiable, but day-um, hard to justify a relo / reconstruction that large of scale.
The tax increase will be of a large scale to the people of Orlando should they pull his card as well.
 
People will go to Disney, wherever they build it. The people that visit disney can give 2 s**ts about a city in Florida that doesn't have any beaches. So yes, take Disney out of Orlando and you guys will not even be able to hold onto the Orlando Magic.
Yeah, they aren’t realistically going to build 4 new parks in a different location. Would take an enormous capital investment. They also have a mutual benefit from having Universal in Orlando (who is building a 3rd park) and a massive hotel infrastructure already in place.
 
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People will go to Disney, wherever they build it. The people that visit disney can give 2 s**ts about a city in Florida that doesn't have any beaches. So yes, take Disney out of Orlando and you guys will not even be able to hold onto the Orlando Magic.

So there'd be less competition for sports dollars in Orlando? 🤔
 
People will go to Disney, wherever they build it. The people that visit disney can give 2 s**ts about a city in Florida that doesn't have any beaches. So yes, take Disney out of Orlando and you guys will not even be able to hold onto the Orlando Magic.

You're on to something. Just get a bunch of 18 wheelers and pack Disney up to move everything to Illinois. People will go.
 
People will go to Disney, wherever they build it. The people that visit disney can give 2 s**ts about a city in Florida that doesn't have any beaches. So yes, take Disney out of Orlando and you guys will not even be able to hold onto the Orlando Magic.
Not gonna happen... When I was living in Ohio the beaches were a very important supplement to our Florida /Disney Trips. Can't say we would have flown into Memphis for the Parks and BBQ.
 
You're on to something. Just get a bunch of 18 wheelers and pack Disney up to move everything to Illinois. People will go.
100%. Maybe we could do this Dunkirk style and get the citizens of central Florida to pack up Disney’s shit in their own vehicles and drive it up north. I could probably fit most of the Swiss family treehouse in my F-150.
 
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