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I guess it's easy to say that from your perspective. Nearly every one of these killings involved an officer engaging the victim while they were just living their lives not bothering anyone. Not everyone makes good decisions and many people choose the wrong decision every time when under pressure. We all know people like this. Just the presence of law enforcement creates a pressure situation.
Nearly every one of these incidents involved someone breaking a law or violating a city ordinance thus bringing the police. They weren’t just going about their loves doing nothing wrong. Then, when the police got involved, they almost without exception did not follow the command of the officer and most actively resisted. Why must you leave that out continually. The broken record is old.
 
We should allow armed suspects who evade arrest to prove whether or not they intend to stab an officer to death before lethal forms of subduing the threat is allowed. Just present the officer as a human piñata and see what happens.
 
Nearly every one of these incidents involved someone breaking a law or violating a city ordinance thus bringing the police. They weren’t just going about their loves doing nothing wrong. Then, when the police got involved, they almost without exception did not follow the command of the officer and most actively resisted. Why must you leave that out continually. The broken record is old.
They usually had the cops called on them for just living. If the cops were called on you every time you violated an ordinance, you'd be dead too. Must be nice to live in your ivory tower. What were Philando Castillle, Stephon Clark, Breonna Taylor, Atiatianna Jefferson doing?
 
They usually had the cops called on them for just living. If the cops were called on you every time you violated an ordinance, you'd be dead too. Must be nice to live in your ivory tower. What were Philando Castillle, Stephon Clark, Breonna Taylor, Atiatianna Jefferson doing?
I’ll give you Castile. Breonna Taylor was dating drug dealers and got caught in a crossfire. Stop acting like the police as an institution are out killing black people for sport.
 
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Why didn’t these cops let this good family man stab them in the gut and see what happens?
 
We should allow armed suspects who evade arrest to prove whether or not they intend to stab an officer to death before lethal forms of subduing the threat is allowed.
Good grief, did you watch the video?

If the victim actually had a knife on him, he sure as hell wasn't using it. He was getting to his damn car -- with his children in the backseat -- when he was shot seven times.

Although not yet official, the word was that this guy was responsible for breaking up the fight that caused a call to the cops, not the ones instigating it. But of course when the cops arrive, it's obvious he was the bad guy, right?

But I'm sure the chorus from our Usual Suspects will be that the cop feared for his life necessitating the need to shooting him
in the back as he bent down to get into the driver's seat of his vehicle.

And surprise, surprise, no police cam videos.
 
Breonna Taylor was dating drug dealers and got caught in a crossfire.
Bullshit. Her boyfriend was sleeping in the bedroom with her.

The drug dealer - who they suspected might be in the house - was arrested earlier that day. HEEEEELLLLLLOOOOOOO!!! This 'supposed drug den' was found to be clean. Zero drugs. Zero drug paraphernalia Zero anything illegal. Nadda. Yet THIS APARTMENT was deemed worthy of a 'No knock' SWAT-style drug raid??!?!? WTF??? Since when did knowing a guy who deals drugs become a death sentence?
Stop acting like the police as an institution are out killing black people for sport.
Stop ignoring the damning evidence to protect bad cops.
 
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Telling black men to respect police so they don't get killed is like telling women to dress appropriately so they don't get raped.
 
Good grief, did you watch the video?

If the victim actually had a knife on him, he sure as hell wasn't using it. He was getting to his damn car -- with his children in the backseat -- when he was shot seven times.

Although not yet official, the word was that this guy was responsible for breaking up the fight that caused a call to the cops, not the ones instigating it. But of course when the cops arrive, it's obvious he was the bad guy, right?

But I'm sure the chorus from our Usual Suspects will be that the cop feared for his life necessitating the need to shooting him
in the back as he bent down to get into the driver's seat of his vehicle.

And surprise, surprise, no police cam videos.

There are 2 different stories involved in this thread, I think you're confusing them into one. The guy with a knife was going into a convenience store when he was shot.
 
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Telling black men to respect police so they don't get killed is like telling women to dress appropriately so they don't get raped.

Absolutely no one said that. A good way not to get killed is not to resist arrest while armed, wave the weapon at officers, then run back to a car while again refusing to drop the weapon and submit to a legal arrest.

Yea I’d say that’s it.
 
I guess it's easy to say that from your perspective. Nearly every one of these killings involved an officer engaging the victim while they were just living their lives not bothering anyone. Not everyone makes good decisions and many people choose the wrong decision every time when under pressure. We all know people like this. Just the presence of law enforcement creates a pressure situation.
Yep officers should never pull over drunk/stoned drivers who may end up killing people so they don't stress the drunk out, and risk the drunk making another bad decision. They should never go to the place of a robbery as long as homeowners are not there to get injured.

The #1 place an officer should never be sent, is to protect elected officials and their homes in the cities being burned to the ground.
 
Yep officers should never pull over drunk/stoned drivers who may end up killing people so they don't stress the drunk out, and risk the drunk making another bad decision. They should never go to the place of a robbery as long as homeowners are not there to get injured.
Strawman
 
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Jacob Blake got shot in the back in front of his kids but he was trying to get in his car and leave so lethal force is ok im sure.
 
There are 2 different stories involved in this thread, I think you're confusing them into one. The guy with a knife was going into a convenience store when he was shot.
The entire story doesn’t matter when they can reduce it to poor unfortunate black man gets mercilessly slain by cops. No matter that he left one store where he was threatening people with a knife, resisted police, disobeyed lawful orders to the point where they had to deploy a taser which didn’t work, and then attempted to enter another store with actual innocent people in it with a deadly weapon.

Had the police not shot him and he went into the store and killed someone, it would’ve been “Why didn’t the police protect innocent black people? They just let this guy kill them.” They will spin their anti-police narrative no matter what and gaslight anyone that tries to inject reason and context. There are perfect examples of this in this very thread.
 
This entire movement is comprised of grains of truth built up with a mound of lies. You appear to support and defend the people leveraging that to tear apart society. That’s the real BS.
I just think that people shouldn't be killed for just being. I wish that you were with me on that.
 
I just think that people shouldn't be killed for just being. I wish that you were with me on that.
Oh, I agree with you on that sentiment. I just believe that you are egregiously misrepresenting the situation in a horrible way.

I wish that you wouldn't do that because it denigrates the actions and sacrifices of those that worked so hard to make the improvements that have occurred in American in the last 100 years. Misrepresentations, raising martyrs on lies, supporting racism when it favors your positions, and the like only serve to undermine the prospect of future gains and threatens to set back progress decades. It really is tragic. And you seem to pursue it with devoted fervor.
 
It's like the police can't help themselves. SMH.

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Police can't help themselves??? WHY, can't a person just give themselves up when the cops tell them to stop? Why resist arrest??? There would be ZERO cop killings if these suspects put there hands up where a cop knows he or anyone else is in danger. I just don't get this. If someone knows why these kids are taught to ignore what the cops are telling them please let me know. And its not a black thing, whites, latino's get shot and killed resisting arrest as well. Cops don't shoot people with there hands up in the air.
 
Police can't help themselves??? WHY, can't a person just give themselves up when the cops tell them to stop? Why resist arrest??? There would be ZERO cop killings if these suspects put there hands up where a cop knows he or anyone else is in danger. I just don't get this. If someone knows why these kids are taught to ignore what the cops are telling them please let me know. And its not a black thing, whites, latino's get shot and killed resisting arrest as well. Cops don't shoot people with there hands up in the air.
George Floyd didn't give himself up enough?
 
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Oh, I agree with you on that sentiment. I just believe that you are egregiously misrepresenting the situation in a horrible way.

I wish that you wouldn't do that because it denigrates the actions and sacrifices of those that worked so hard to make the improvements that have occurred in American in the last 100 years. Misrepresentations, raising martyrs on lies, supporting racism when it favors your positions, and the like only serve to undermine the prospect of future gains and threatens to set back progress decades. It really is tragic. And you seem to pursue it with devoted fervor.
The entire reason we are in this situation is because the government weaponizes the justice system against its own people, That hasn't changed in 100 years. Same stuff that Dr. King marched over.
 
The entire reason we are in this situation is because the government weaponizes the justice system against its own people, That hasn't changed in 100 years. Same stuff that Dr. King marched over.

No, it doesn't. And yes, it has.
 
George Floyd didn't give himself up enough?
No, no he didn't as he forced himself out of the back seat of a police car, flung himself to the ground multiple times when they attempted to seat him by himself against a wall, and then struggled against officers again before they needed 3 officers to forcefully restrain him.

Only after all of that did Chauvin's actions in controlling the situation come into play and then need to be answered for and Chauvin punished. But had Floyd given himself up in the multitude of opportunities that he had prior to the multiple-officer restraint, he might not have died (he did have a concerning number of drugs in his body that were probably wreaking havoc at that time).

Of course, you're doing what you always do and ignoring all of that to just paint police as evil.
 
The entire reason we are in this situation is because the government weaponizes the justice system against its own people, That hasn't changed in 100 years. Same stuff that Dr. King marched over.
That's another blatant lie. The justice system has changed considerably over 100 years, as has the visibility into that justice system. It's not perfect, and we as a citizenry can demand more resources for things that improve the prospects of the financially challenged, like providing more resources for public defenders. But to imply or outright state that the laws and the justice system are right now weaponized by the government the same way they were 100 years ago is just wrong.
 
That's another blatant lie. The justice system has changed considerably over 100 years, as has the visibility into that justice system. It's not perfect, and we as a citizenry can demand more resources for things that improve the prospects of the financially challenged, like providing more resources for public defenders. But to imply or outright state that the laws and the justice system are right now weaponized by the government the same way they were 100 years ago is just wrong.
Wrong. It's the same system that preys on the poor with a little lipstick on it. Not only are the resources for public defenders terrible as you said but police fines have increased in order to fund their budget. It's a terrible community relation strategy. Then you have private prisons which incentivize incarceration. The entire system is messed up.
 
The champagne and caviar world of 85....

Not really. I'm just not brainwashed enough to think that our judicial system exists today as it did 100 years ago. This is so false yet you say it as a fact so easily.
 
George Floyd didn't give himself up enough?

Do you not think for yourself? Watch the entire video, especially the beginning that the leftist didn't let anyone see until a couple months later. He resisted the entire time. I'm not saying he deserved to die but first comes the resisting part, once you resist the chance of something bad happening starts to go way up, for both the good guy and the bad guy. Again, I'm asking you leftist, why do these kids resist arrest? Why don't they give themselves up?
 
Do you not think for yourself? Watch the entire video, especially the beginning that the leftist didn't let anyone see until a couple months later. He resisted the entire time. I'm not saying he deserved to die but first comes the resisting part, once you resist the chance of something bad happening starts to go way up, for both the good guy and the bad guy. Again, I'm asking you leftist, why do these kids resist arrest? Why don't they give themselves up?
The chance of something bad happening starts to go up the closer the police get you.
 
The chance of something bad happening starts to go up the closer the police get you.
On that we can all agree. The National Institute of Justice agrees with you; although they note that the studies show the risk is higher to police than suspects. But you lay all of the blame on the police and that is nothing but a boatful of disgusting lies.
 
Again, I'm asking you leftist, why do these kids resist arrest? Why don't they give themselves up?
What about that 23-year-old Black man in Aurora Colorado who died in August after police officers confronted him as he was walking to a store because someone called the cops because he was wearing a facemask and "looked suspicious."

Officers put him in a choke hold and injected him with a sedative. Investigations by Aurora police and a district attorney produced no charges. This kid was as innocent as you or I would have been walking down the sidewalk but he was killed for, in the officers' testimony, "resisting arrest."

If you have learned anything about this McClain guy since his death, it was clear he was the second-coming of nerd, Steve Urkle.

Why didn't this kid give himself up? Hmmmmm
 
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What about that 23-year-old Black man in Aurora Colorado who died in August after police officers confronted him as he was walking to a store because someone called the cops because he was wearing a facemask and "looked suspicious."

Officers put him in a choke hold and injected him with a sedative. Investigations by Aurora police and a district attorney produced no charges. This kid was as innocent as you or I would have been walking down the sidewalk but he was killed for, in the officers' testimony, "resisting arrest."

If you have learned anything about this McClain guy since his death, it was clear he was the second-coming of nerd, Steve Urkle.

Why didn't this kid give himself up? Hmmmmm
I have never heard of an officer injecting someone with a sedative. So I looked, the officers did not inject ketamine, it was the FD. The state has guidelines for use and it is supposed to be used when the person exhibits a danger to themselves or others. From the USA Today article linked below, "Fire medic Jeremy Cooper told investigators that he requested ketamine following the fire department's protocol for when someone shows signs of "excited delirium." and "In a statement, Aurora Fire Rescue said an investigation into its personnel's actions during McClain's arrest found that "the actions of the responders were consistent and aligned with our established protocols. In fact, the initial findings indicate that our personnel demonstrated a high level of technical skill and professionalism while providing care to the patient.""

Now, a special investigator has been appointed to look into the situation. If they followed procedures according to policy and those are wrong, hopefully they'll change. If they violated procedures, then hopefully appropriate actions will be taken. But to represent it as police officers arbitrarily placing someone in a chokehold and then injecting them with a sedative that killed them is a dishonest representation of the events that occurred.

So, I ask you, why can't you be intellectually honest about anything?

 
I have never heard of an officer injecting someone with a sedative. So I looked, the officers did not inject ketamine, it was the FD. The state has guidelines for use and it is supposed to be used when the person exhibits a danger to themselves or others. From the USA Today article linked below, "Fire medic Jeremy Cooper told investigators that he requested ketamine following the fire department's protocol for when someone shows signs of "excited delirium." and "In a statement, Aurora Fire Rescue said an investigation into its personnel's actions during McClain's arrest found that "the actions of the responders were consistent and aligned with our established protocols. In fact, the initial findings indicate that our personnel demonstrated a high level of technical skill and professionalism while providing care to the patient.""

Now, a special investigator has been appointed to look into the situation. If they followed procedures according to policy and those are wrong, hopefully they'll change. If they violated procedures, then hopefully appropriate actions will be taken. But to represent it as police officers arbitrarily placing someone in a chokehold and then injecting them with a sedative that killed them is a dishonest representation of the events that occurred.

So, I ask you, why can't you be intellectually honest about anything?

That's exactly what happened. The kid was walking home not bothering anybody.
 
What about that 23-year-old Black man in Aurora Colorado who died in August after police officers confronted him as he was walking to a store because someone called the cops because he was wearing a facemask and "looked suspicious."

Officers put him in a choke hold and injected him with a sedative. Investigations by Aurora police and a district attorney produced no charges. This kid was as innocent as you or I would have been walking down the sidewalk but he was killed for, in the officers' testimony, "resisting arrest."

If you have learned anything about this McClain guy since his death, it was clear he was the second-coming of nerd, Steve Urkle.

Why didn't this kid give himself up? Hmmmmm

AGAIN, RESISTING ARREST RESULTS IN BAD OUTCOMES???? And it wasn't the officer that injected him but the fire rescue, medical professional.

Police said McClain refused to stop walking when they asked him to and he battled when they attempted to take him into custody.

Police body cam footage would show that an officer got close to McClain and touched him. “Stop tensing up, dude. Stop tensing up,” the officer said. McClain replied: “I am going home. … Leave me alone,” and “Let me go. No, let me go. I am an introvert. Please respect my boundaries that I am speaking.”

After a struggle, McClain was handcuffed and officers requested medical assistance. Aurora Fire Rescue later injected him with ketamine in an attempt to sedate him, police said. He suffered cardiac arrest during the ambulance ride to a nearby hospital.
 
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