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If they don't see criminal activity or the rights of another citizen being violated (see or told), keep it moving.
Ok. So the police know there have been a string of property crimes in a neighborhood that they patrol every day and know most of the residents. They see someone that they’ve never seen before walking in the neighborhood at 3 AM with a backpack and gloves in the middle of summer. In your world, you don’t want the police to make contact with that person and proactively protect your property?

Or a guy acting strangely keeps parking up around the local high school takesquite an interest in the buildings, Looking at the entrances and exits, the times people come and go, etc. He is on public propertythat he has a “right” to be on but he doesn’t ever pick up or drop off a student. In your world, you don’t want the police to make contact and see if this guy is a potential active shooter or sexual predator?
 
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You have to be insane to want to be a cop. Let's say you either reallllllly believe in what you're doing, just want a paycheck or have some real dark motives. What's the distribution?
 
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Ok. So the police know there have been a string of property crimes in a neighborhood that they patrol every day and know most of the residents. They see someone that they’ve never seen before walking in the neighborhood at 3 AM with a backpack and gloves in the middle of summer. In your world, you don’t want the police to make contact with that person and proactively protect your property?

Or a guy acting strangely keeps parking up around the local high school takesquite an interest in the buildings, Looking at the entrances and exits, the times people come and go, etc. He is on public propertythat he has a “right” to be on but he doesn’t ever pick up or drop off a student. In your world, you don’t want the police to make contact and see if this guy is a potential active shooter or sexual predator?
The first example, introduce yourself and then move along. I'm not following the second the example. He's chilling on public property not bothering anyone? Introduce yourself and move along. Apparently one of us wants a police state, who's the communist?
 
The first example, introduce yourself and then move along. I'm not following the second the example. He's chilling on public property not bothering anyone? Introduce yourself and move along. Apparently one of us wants a police state, who's the communist?
You’re using terms of which you obviously do not know the meaning in an effort to cast me as, what? Evil?

All I have left to say is that forcing the police to behave as you wish them to will have very little effect on people in rich neighborhoods and a huge effect on those living in poor neighborhoods. Not in the positive way that you wish because you are basing your irrational position on a very small number of incidents at the expense of the people who are victims of crime in a much, much larger number of individuals. I really don’t understand why your position is to make vulnerable minority populations more vulnerable. Maybe you can explain that.
 
@firm_bizzle Can you team up with LeBron and tell your peeps to stop committing so much damn crime and putting them in potentially dangerous situations?

 
Another boring day in the UCFMikes household. Worked a 13 hours day, hit the gym, went home and while sitting in my house, the cops broke down the door and started shooting at me!!!

Oh wait..., cops don’t usually bother people who aren’t committing crimes. See how that works.

Funny, they didn’t bother my black next door neighbors either today. My guess is that they weren’t committing crimes either

See how that works.
 
You guys are right, cops don't have any issues with black people at all. This whole media circus has all been made up by the left.*

Seriously Trump people, what do you think liberals are getting out of this?
 
You guys are right, cops don't have any issues with black people at all. This whole media circus has all been made up by the left.*

Seriously Trump people, what do you think liberals are getting out of this?
I just don’t see cops targeting black people in my life. I see cops targeting people committing crimes of all races. If I acted like some of these criminals, I would fully expect for the cops to shoot at me and possibly kill me. I basically have never committed any major crime in my life. No excuses and no free passes.
 
Seriously Trump people, what do you think liberals are getting out of this?
This seemed to only become political lately with the violent protests and the talk of defunding the police which the left seem to embrace or tolerate more than conservatives
 
You’re using terms of which you obviously do not know the meaning in an effort to cast me as, what? Evil?

All I have left to say is that forcing the police to behave as you wish them to will have very little effect on people in rich neighborhoods and a huge effect on those living in poor neighborhoods. Not in the positive way that you wish because you are basing your irrational position on a very small number of incidents at the expense of the people who are victims of crime in a much, much larger number of individuals. I really don’t understand why your position is to make vulnerable minority populations more vulnerable. Maybe you can explain that.
I don't know what to tell you. The people who live in those communities are marching in the streets asking the police to change their methods but you and others who don't live in the community know best, right?
 
I don't know what to tell you. The people who live in those communities are marching in the streets asking the police to change their methods but you and others who don't live in the community know best, right?

Insanely hilarious and ironic post given that 80% of black people want the same or more policing in their neighborhoods, while white Democrats keep gutting police departments to appease far left activists instead of protecting their own people. Against their wishes.
 
You guys are right, cops don't have any issues with black people at all. This whole media circus has all been made up by the left.*

Seriously Trump people, what do you think liberals are getting out of this?
No one said there aren’t issues that can be worked on. Of course there are. That’s not even in the realm of what is being accused though.
 
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I don't know what to tell you. The people who live in those communities are marching in the streets asking the police to change their methods but you and others who don't live in the community know best, right?
I lived in a community that was majority black in Chicago until middle school. I went to a majority black school through middle school. I am not unfamiliar with being poor, as my family spent time on food stamps and going to the county health clinic. My father spent most of my high school years in jail for theft and possession of crack. Many of the people that I knew from middle and high school have spent extensive time in jail. I got the shit kicked out of me more than once when I didn’t go along on their adventures, some of which ended them in jail. I’ve been searched multiple times by the police for being a white kid in the black neighborhood where I lived. I’ve had the shit kicked out of me and had my life threatened numerous times for being the white kid living in a poor black neighborhood. Sometimes by the same people that I played basketball with the day before and went to school with and thought were friends. I’ve been the target of racism. I’ve seen white racism against black friends. I could’ve easily settled into the life of the people in those neighborhoods. I made choices and pursued actions, despite many failures and against much adversity, that led to me graduating from UCF with a college degree that I paid for at the age of 27.

I’m sure that’s the upbringing you’d have pegged me for, right?

I also married a police officer. She is an amazing woman who works the worst neighborhood in the community. She believes in community oriented policing and treats everyone with respect and dignity. I’ve consoled her when she worked a drive-by shooting where a thug fired an AK-47 at two teens, resulting in an innocent girl dying. One round blew out her back and destroyed all of her organs. I listened to her frustration that the family and friends of this innocent victim went out and marched for a violent criminal that they didn’t know in Minnesota but can’t be bothered to make one positive action for the innocent killed in their own community who was their sister, cousin, niece, daughter. Ive seen the police be the only people to console grieving mothers. I’ve seen all of those people that you portray as evil struggle with the after effects and the inability to do anything because no one in the community will say anything. Many of them cried for weeks. They got into the job to help and are finding it harder and harder to do so because of the sentiment that is getting stirred up for political purposes. She did not get into the job to be unfairly demonized by people who are unwilling to look at all of the facts surrounding situations before proclaiming that she and her colleagues are wrong, criminal, and evil. To constantly hear “we don’t know all the facts but our police are wrong.”

I’ve seen or lived both sides of this debate. I feel that I have a good perspective to share even though I have opinions that differ from those that seem to be prevalent right now. I’m also not going to just be silent while you and others misrepresent reality because you are either ignorant of the totality of circumstances or you have an ulterior motive that must be served at all costs. Maybe, just maybe, one time you’ll actually challenge your own assumptions and consider a different perspective.
 
Blake's mother just came out, blasting the rioting terrorists in the streets, and said she has the utmost respect for President Trump and recognized that she missed a call directly from him.
 
I lived in a community that was majority black in Chicago until middle school. I went to a majority black school through middle school. I am not unfamiliar with being poor, as my family spent time on food stamps and going to the county health clinic. My father spent most of my high school years in jail for theft and possession of crack. Many of the people that I knew from middle and high school have spent extensive time in jail. I got the shit kicked out of me more than once when I didn’t go along on their adventures, some of which ended them in jail. I’ve been searched multiple times by the police for being a white kid in the black neighborhood where I lived. I’ve had the shit kicked out of me and had my life threatened numerous times for being the white kid living in a poor black neighborhood. Sometimes by the same people that I played basketball with the day before and went to school with and thought were friends. I’ve been the target of racism. I’ve seen white racism against black friends. I could’ve easily settled into the life of the people in those neighborhoods. I made choices and pursued actions, despite many failures and against much adversity, that led to me graduating from UCF with a college degree that I paid for at the age of 27.

I’m sure that’s the upbringing you’d have pegged me for, right?

I also married a police officer. She is an amazing woman who works the worst neighborhood in the community. She believes in community oriented policing and treats everyone with respect and dignity. I’ve consoled her when she worked a drive-by shooting where a thug fired an AK-47 at two teens, resulting in an innocent girl dying. One round blew out her back and destroyed all of her organs. I listened to her frustration that the family and friends of this innocent victim went out and marched for a violent criminal that they didn’t know in Minnesota but can’t be bothered to make one positive action for the innocent killed in their own community who was their sister, cousin, niece, daughter. Ive seen the police be the only people to console grieving mothers. I’ve seen all of those people that you portray as evil struggle with the after effects and the inability to do anything because no one in the community will say anything. Many of them cried for weeks. They got into the job to help and are finding it harder and harder to do so because of the sentiment that is getting stirred up for political purposes. She did not get into the job to be unfairly demonized by people who are unwilling to look at all of the facts surrounding situations before proclaiming that she and her colleagues are wrong, criminal, and evil. To constantly hear “we don’t know all the facts but our police are wrong.”

I’ve seen or lived both sides of this debate. I feel that I have a good perspective to share even though I have opinions that differ from those that seem to be prevalent right now. I’m also not going to just be silent while you and others misrepresent reality because you are either ignorant of the totality of circumstances or you have an ulterior motive that must be served at all costs. Maybe, just maybe, one time you’ll actually challenge your own assumptions and consider a different perspective.
That's an impressive story about you and your wife. I didn't mean to imply that you don't have a valid perspective because you are white but more specifically of those neighborhoods. You and I don't live there or understand the dynamics on the ground in each of these places. You have a valid point that police are scapegoated, they always have been. They are literally the face and only interaction between the people and our government. Change might happen faster if the people went directly to where those who make decisions live and work.
 
Another boring day in the UCFMikes household. Worked a 13 hours day, hit the gym, went home and while sitting in my house, the cops broke down the door and started shooting at me!!!

Oh wait..., cops don’t usually bother people who aren’t committing crimes. See how that works.

Funny, they didn’t bother my black next door neighbors either today. My guess is that they weren’t committing crimes either

See how that works.
Take a covid test.
 
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This is an interesting comment that a friend of mine from high school just posted on FB.

"I agree with you on much of your position here, and I used to believe the same about restrained and targeted action to "root out the bad apples" in the police. But seeing the circular pattern of violence first hand here in Chicago has changed that perspective. Our policing systems in this country are fundamentally broken. Their training, performance review and oversight are wrought with systemic errors. The way we armor police for war and then put them on the "thin blue line" tells them not to protect us, but to protect themselves and protect each other. These are systemic issues. Now you add a "bad apple" into that broken system and he infects literally hundreds of others, because the system is built to reinforce group think. There are cities that have addressed this pretty successfully, none are perfect some have really made substantive changes. But the moment we are in now, and the release of righteous anger against the police is truly about that broken process. That process wants to protect itself so it will not be changed easily or without a fight. It will take an upheaval to fix it, and we can all just pray this is the hard beginning of a better chapter ahead."
 
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This is an interesting comment that a friend of mine from high school just posted on FB.

"I agree with you on much of your position here, and I used to believe the same about restrained and targeted action to "root out the bad apples" in the police. But seeing the circular pattern of violence first hand here in Chicago has changed that perspective. Our policing systems in this country are fundamentally broken. Their training, performance review and oversight are wrought with systemic errors. The way we armor police for war and then put them on the "thin blue line" tells them not to protect us, but to protect themselves and protect each other. These are systemic issues. Now you add a "bad apple" into that broken system and he infects literally hundreds of others, because the system is built to reinforce group think. There are cities that have addressed this pretty successfully, none are perfect some have really made substantive changes. But the moment we are in now, and the release of righteous anger against the police is truly about that broken process. That process wants to protect itself so it will not be changed easily or without a fight. It will take an upheaval to fix it, and we can all just pray this is the hard beginning of a better chapter ahead."
The thin blue line meaning has been twisted. They are a thin blue line between civility and anarchy. It was never meant to refer to a self-protective brotherhood that it has been used as lately to denigrate police.

I can understand why someone from Chicago would hold such a view. I grew up fearful of police interactions too. And Chicago has had issues with its tactical squad for years, among other things.

It’s also unfair to say that we armor police for war. That is wholly inaccurate on a huge number of levels. That statement is made by ignorant people who don’t actually know what the armaments of war are and what tools police have and the legal responsibilities and limitations of the two groups. It is unfair to police and also unfair to ask them to do the jobs they have to do while also telling them we can’t get them basic protections that are available but can’t use because some people think they look like scary war weapons.
 
Again, he escalated the encounter. You're right, before the police were called to service and initiated the encounter, he was doing nothing wrong. The moment that he disobeyed a lawful order from a police officer, he did something wrong. How is it that you can't understand that?
You got all of that from a 7 second phone video?
I don't know what to tell you. The people who live in those communities are marching in the streets asking the police to change their methods but you and others who don't live in the community know best, right?

Those aren't the people in those neighborhoods that are marching. The people in those neighborhoods have been quite vocal in their support of the police and that defunding the police would be idiotic and would cause crime to go even higher!
 
You got all of that from a 7 second phone video?
I got that from the body cam video released by the Aurora, CO police department and embedded in the article below. It helps to know what to look for and know common police procedures. There's no doubt he would be surprised given the way the police approached. You can hear the police issuing lawful orders and trying to explain to him what is happening and what they are going to do from the beginning and when the surprise wore off. He made a conscious choice that he was going to resist being placed in handcuffs. First mildly and then more actively. During that process, you can also hear one of the officers say "He grabbed your gun" after he really started combating the police.

From what I can see they attempted to employ nothing but less/non-lethal techniques to try to end the physical situation. They called for FD transport. This one looked and sounded very different than the Chauvin-Floyd interaction.

In any case, there's a special prosecutor on the case now so we'll see what comes out of it.

 
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There's no doubt he would be surprised given the way the police approached. You can hear the police issuing lawful orders and trying to explain to him what is happening and what they are going to do from the beginning and when the surprise wore off.
You can also hear McClain asking them to respect his boundaries after they assaulted him for crying out loud.

Wouldn't you be freaked out if the police assaulted you? Oh, but he 'had it coming to him' because he continued walking down the sidewalk and didn't stop immediately when they told him to. By the way, remind me again why he was stopped in the first place.
 
Violent left wing domestic terrorists' have basically turned Kenosha into a warzone and are now getting people killed.
 
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Where and when was this video taken, who is the guy that’s talking, why is he dressed like an officer but refers to other officers as “the cops?” I’d like to have those answers before I give a lot of credence this video. Especially since it was posted by Shaun King, who emerged on the scene as an activist but now tries to convince everyone that he’s a journalist.
 
Where and when was this video taken, who is the guy that’s talking, why is he dressed like an officer but refers to other officers as “the cops?” I’d like to have those answers before I give a lot of credence this video. Especially since it was posted by Shaun King, who emerged on the scene as an activist but now tries to convince everyone that he’s a journalist.
Why is he dressed like an officer? Are you new to the right wing tactical hillbilly dads known as veal team six?

Its kind of their thing.
 
These guys were offered water by the police. Same damn team. Throw the entire department away.


Here, let me help you: when lunatic mobs are running through a town, setting fire to that town and assaulting people in the process, private citizens who have property and livelihoods in that town have the right to legally arm themselves to defend their property.

There, hope that helps.
 
Here, let me help you: when lunatic mobs are running through a town, setting fire to that town and assaulting people in the process, private citizens who have property and livelihoods in that town have the right to legally arm themselves to defend their property.

There, hope that helps.
So do you think this kid shooting people was legit? Just checking.
 
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So do you think this kid shooting people was legit? Just checking.

In the video where he's on the ground with a mob after him? Absolutely. The first video in the car parking lot is less clear so I really can't say. I wasn't even really talking just about him - I'm talking about the many, many other armed people who were standing outside businesses and gas stations to protect that property while the media labeled them as a "militias".
 
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Here, let me help you: when lunatic mobs are running through a town, setting fire to that town and assaulting people in the process, private citizens who have property and livelihoods in that town have the right to legally arm themselves to defend their property.

There, hope that helps.
And drive from the next state to do it! Gotta kill people because stuff is more important. #maga
 
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He needs a statue. At least he did something. One less punk destroying businesses and hurting others.
Chill out bro people died. What if he shot some republicans that just happened to be passing through?
 
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