I have to laugh at your arrogance (trying to elevate UCF to something that it is not) and yet you fail to see this.
Market value? lol
Florida State, University of Florida and Miami already carry the state of Florida, not UCF or USF.
Hey B12, so who has more potenial??????
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I have to laugh at your arrogance (trying to elevate UCF to something that it is not) and yet you fail to see this.
Market value? lol
Florida State, University of Florida and Miami already carry the state of Florida, not UCF or USF.
Still asking for charity, I see.
Just how well did you guys fill your stadium this past year, with every loss at home?
So much for your TV market, huh? I wonder how many of you here were at the last UCF home game:
UCF's final loss in its 0-12 season brought us the saddest fan images of all time - SBNation.com
Not to worry. I don't hate UCF, just pointing out some facts that are probably important to the Big 12 when considering its options on expansion candidates.
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No charity. Just using facts to demonstrate that IF the B12 expands, UCF is a top candidate.
This year we averaged 30,065 fans per game. Interestingly enough, in 2014 Cincinnati only averaged only 28,840 in a year when they were conference co-champions. So much for that Cincinnati TV market I guess.
Don't let these facts hit you in the ass on your way out!
No charity. Just using facts to demonstrate that IF the B12 expands, UCF is a top candidate.
This year we averaged 30,065 fans per game. Interestingly enough, in 2014 Cincinnati only averaged only 28,840 in a year when they were conference co-champions. So much for that Cincinnati TV market I guess.
Don't let these facts hit you in the ass on your way out!
Trying to prop up UCF at Cincinnati's expense? 2014? lol - We aren't talking about Cincinnati's market here.
UCF attendance dips as Knights drop to 0-6 with loss to UConn - Orlando Sentinel
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Try again.
Football Class Rankings - ESPN
Btw, UCF doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting into the Big 12 unless Texas says yes.
Damn Knightsweat! Why did you piss off the Texas fan? Now there is no way we are getting in the Big 12.
Who the hell cares about Texas? We've been relevant more recently than they have. It's been since about 2009 with a bunch of top recruiting classes since that didn't amount to crap. They are stuck in eternal mediocrity at this point. Charlie Strong? We disposed of him and Louisville. I bet in 2-3 years we jump ahead of Texas again. UCF is a sleeping giant that had a bump in the road. Just wait. We're not going to suck for long. Mark my words.
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We don't need to be anyone's bitch. We will win games and get an invite sooner than later from a conference that wants to make money since that's what it's all about. It's a matter of when, not if. Frost will lead us there.
The Gators haven't been exactly world beaters in awhile. FSU and Michigan made them look very pedestrian at best. Stop beating your chest like a gorilla until you get back to relevant. That's not too much to ask with a top 10-15 recruiting class for like the last 25 years
Yep, try the ACC. You have so much to offer them.
Wait........ they already have Florida State and Miami. Not much UCF can offer there.
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Isn't Florida already in a power conference? And FSU?
Not likely either one of those schools would allow UCF in, no matter what.
You would bend over in a heart beat if it meant a power conference would take UCF.
As a fan, I want to see wins, rankings and going to bowl games. If the school gets a P5 invite then great. I don't see the money go to my pockets, do you? When's the last time your P5 status put you in an access bowl? When's the last time Texas handed you a check? When's the last time Texas lost less than 4 games?
We're not desperate. Yeah.., so 2015 sucked for us. What has all power conference stuff done for you since 2009? When we get the invite, we will get it. At that time, the school will become elite and be rich. Last I've read UCF still gives a good education and players are getting nice uniforms, so why would we be so desperate for money? We have been winning except for 2015.
You guys are under way more pressure to perform because of your "history and status." I would worry about Texas winning games if I were you. Don't act like
hot shot because something (P5) was given to you back in the day. If you had to earn it then Vanderbilt wouldn't be in P5. Just had to be in the right place at The right time. We're new to this game, but you'll hear from us soon enough.
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But how many P5 teams are regularly beating Top 10 teams? You remove the SEC and ... well, maybe only 1 to no more than 2 teams in the other 4 conferences!
Heck, among the G5 -- the best of all time, Boise State -- shows even they haven't exactly been beating Top 10 teams with regularity either. So ... what is the "qualification" here?
So now it's "net worth," even UCF comes in higher than a great number of P5 teams in the recent NY Times study. I.e., even this "children of the poor" argument seems to include a number of P5 teams, compared to UCF.
No ... you're talking about wishing for a small number of already P5 teams -- most already in the SEC -- which even the Big XII committee admitted and recognized are not going to leave the other P5 conferences for the Big XII!
So ... get real! There are maybe only 4-5 G5 teams that are the only candidate, of which UCF is included. Either that ... or nobody. Sorry, but truth.
It's just funny how many of the P4 feel so self-entitled, when they couldn't take their top 2 from each -- and compete, aggregately -- against the same number in the SEC alone.
But the decision makes in Austin listen to the opinions of random Texas fans.
I'm assuming the Texas state sports life is a corrupt as the state of Alabama, so what exactly does UT have to force the other Texas schools to vote their way. It can't be any sports power since the new conference football power is elsewhere.
I mean just wait until it finally sinks into the Texas sports brain that the SEC is considered by most to be the best conference and watch the power shift as UT becomes the lesser brother in Texas.
Yes congrats. Because winning against P5 is key to conference realignment. That is why Rutgers and Maryland were such big additions to the B10 and Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC. Big history of winning there. It had nothing at all to do with the TV markets or new recruiting bases. Those teams were such power houses that they demanded respect. The B12, especially UT, is like a monkey with his hand in the food trap. They can't let go of a penny to invest in their own league. Wins against P5 are irrelevant in the equation. TV Screens, fan base, potential money. That is the only thing that drives realignment. Right now expansion does not help the B12 much because of the LHN.
UT is the biggest hurdle that the B12 has to further success. The LHN is a bust to ESPN, but a goldmine to UT, and because of it there is no real hope for a lucrative B12 network.
Money. As long as there is the LHN there is no real hope for a B12 network. Thus obtaining new markets does not help much. UT sits pretty collecting while the rest of the conference watches.
I've always liked this map (from 2014):
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#7,38.021,-87.348
When you zoom into areas, it will show you market percentages. It gives a good perspective of what market the "available schools" bring. Cincy isn't even in the top 3 in their own county. Nor is USF. UConn brings the most. Memphis looks big, but the Orlando population is roughly 3X that of Memphis. UCF is now the majority in Orlando (and surrounding areas). (Yes, UF is #2, but they are number 2 up in UConn territory also.) And I wish they did this map 5 years ago to show just how much UCF has gained in that time.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#7,38.021,-87.348
When you zoom into areas, it will show you market percentages. It gives a good perspective of what market the "available schools" bring. Cincy isn't even in the top 3 in their own county. Nor is USF. UConn brings the most. Memphis looks big, but the Orlando population is roughly 3X that of Memphis. UCF is now the majority in Orlando (and surrounding areas). (Yes, UF is #2, but they are number 2 up in UConn territory also.) And I wish they did this map 5 years ago to show just how much UCF has gained in that time.
Including ESPN screwing itself in the deal too.
- http://www.burntorangenation.com/20...k-been-a-complete-disaster-for-texas-and-espn
Really I think it hurts the egos of Texas fans to think that the future of their conference lies in adding a couple of programs like UCF. They like to think of the B12 as this major power conference. But in reality they are the least desirable of all conferences. They are only an issue at all because they are currently the only P5 conference with any need for additions. Given the choice UCF would rather be in the ACC, but since there is likely to be no openings there or anywhere else they are stuck in hoping to become a part of the B12.
Well ... there's really only a P1 these days, and that's the SEC.
Maybe a P2 if you look at just under half of the Big 10 member's incomes.
Everyone else is just trying to "hold on" to what they have, beyond 1, 2 or, at most, 3 teams.
Both performance and monetary-wise, most of the rest of the P3-P4 really cannot throw the "P5 results" and "children of the poor" arguments around without finding themselves standing inside their own glass house with an stone launcher on uncontrollable full-auto.
And you just defined the ultimate downfall of the B12 conference. The B12 is at the mercy of a greedy, self absorbed program that will gain at the expense of the others. But hey this is America. If you can do it than great. But the B12 will not grow as a conference in quality, size or money as long as UT holds this power. Eventually OU or someone else will leave and the dominos will fall.
Wait ... what?
Was your point that if you're a G5, you're rank is low? So ... what P5 is the Big 12 going to add? I mean ... really? REALLY?!
Did you just make our point for us?
When you are pumping out more than 12,000 graduates a year and a majority of them settle in the Orlando area your footprint is going to grow.
Reality is going to hit sometime, either buggy-whip manufacturer Texas will leave for the PAC and be a little fish or some of the other Big 12 teams grow some balls and vote for their own interest. I'm betting they already regret adding W. Virginia who in the past has been vocal about expansion, and if Texas votes to add they'll hate adding a non-Texas team who they can't dominate politically.
No shit Sherlock! No one stands a chance of getting into the B12 unless Texas says yes. Wow...you set a new standard for stupid!
Texas just needs the LHN to hold out for more money from ESPN. That'll solve everything.
We know a guy if you need help.
From your post, I can tell you are not knowledgeable regarding these affairs.
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