Because conference alignment isn't reshuffling cards. Once you are in then you are in for life. Reality is that the P5 has 2 slots available at the most. If UCF misses this train then UCF is doomed of any big time athletics status ever. Win and they will be a top candidate. More 0-12 or seasons with no P5 wins will get UCF a permanent place in G5 world. Enough with the other criteria pipe dream. They would have earned an invite already if that is all the big 12 cared about. Just WIN
Hey B12, so who has more potenial??????
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Because conference alignment isn't reshuffling cards. Once you are in then you are in for life. Reality is that the P5 has 2 slots available at the most. If UCF misses this train then UCF is doomed of any big time athletics status ever. Win and they will be a top candidate. More 0-12 or seasons with no P5 wins will get UCF a permanent place in G5 world. Enough with the other criteria pipe dream. They would have earned an invite already if that is all the big 12 cared about. Just WIN
100% of this board thinks your an asshole and all you have to do is be yourself. Easy task. Thanks for the coffee yesterday. It tasted great.
BTW.., time after time your posts have had major fails you dick.
Never is a pretty strong word. We were
on par with UF in 2013 and 2014, so you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Stick to your day job (or night job) and stop embarrassing yourself. Can you change your name on here to Alabamasbitch? It fits.
Why are a Longhorn and Gator troll on this board telling us UCF Knights that we aren't good enough to join the Big 12?
Could it be because you aren't?
In this part of the country (midwest-southwest), when one thinks about sports in the state of Florida, one thinks about University of Florida, Florida State and Miami. No one thinks about directional schools like UCF or USF. You are most likely 4th and 5th in your state in terms of relevance (and that is not good).
But still ... he (and now you) have not answered the question, and keep dodging it ...
If no G5 qualifies ... which P5 program is the Big 12 going to steal from another P5 conference?
BTW, I actually see a P4 in the future ... with the PAC (which will get interesting), Big 10 (highest revenue programs) and even the ACC picking off a few (more basketball), leaving a few others currently in the Big 12 out.
I live in the midwest (Kansas City to be exact) right in the heart of Big 12 country.. and believe it or not everyone here knows who UCF is. People ask me all the time "Did you go to UCF?" When they see the license plate and stickers... so yeah. In Texas, you're probably right, but Texas believes they can be their own nation.
Texas was its own nation before it joined the US. Don't you know your Texas history or US history?
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Silly that you are advertising UCF (via license plate and stickers) and that anyone would even be stupid enough to ask, "did you go to UCF?" That doesn't prove UCF is known for anything in this part of the country. I can't keep from laughing at the notion that you would think UCF is meaningful here.
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The Gaytors once said the same thing about FSU.
But Florida has been FSU's b**** over the last few years.
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And Texas isn't meaningful in Florida either. Yea people know who they are...primarily because Texas is seen as an arrogant ass that thinks they are God's gift to college football even though they have not done squat in the last five years.
Just as silly as someone having a Texas sticker on their car in Florida? Hypocrite!
Umm...actually it does. You claimed that no one even knows about UCF in the midwest-southwest and he gave you concrete evidence to the contrary. Again, maybe a remedial course on reading comprehension should be in your future plans.
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For UT it is because they are in denial that the B12 has any issues and that their only choices are among schools like UCF. That truth hurts.
UF because he is a typical UF fan.
Just as silly as someone having a Texas sticker on their car in Florida? Hypocrite!
Umm...actually it does. You claimed that no one even knows about UCF in the midwest-southwest and he gave you concrete evidence to the contrary. Again, maybe a remedial course on reading comprehension should be in your future plans.
Anyone could advertise their school via license plate and stickers. We see that all the time. It doesn't mean their school is meaningful in this part of the country, unless it is a school that is already in a power conference.
I guess that was way above your level of comprehension.
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Correct me if I am wrong: Does UCF even have a national championship in football?
The last I heard, the only reason UCF was invited to join the Big East (excuse me, the old Big East) was because the conference was in desperation mode.
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Maybe someday, in another lifetime, they might make a movie about UCF football:
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I BEG Texas to go in its own. I lived in Houston for a year over a decade a go. But like I said, I blew your "theory" out of the water, people in the midwest (which is where I live) know who UCF is... BTW it was nice of the Big 8 to save you guys from being in the mountain west in the mid 90's.
Which is exactly why the B12 will be making a similar move soon else they go the way of the Big East. You know it is going to happen. It may or may not be UCF but it will be a program with no more accolades than UCF. Face it, you are stuck looking at adding a couple of G5 programs, and what really concerns you is that they will likely compete in the B12 pretty quickly and then potentially pass you much like Baylor and TCU have.
Dude, you are trying too hard. You already made a fool of yourself with your original post.
You've had one national championship since UCF football has been in existence. Congrats! Mighty impressive. Florida schools have tallied 11 in that time,. Texas is a joke and would be 4th behind the Florida schools if not 5th or 6th.
And no, you heard wrong. the only reason UCF wasn't invited earlier to the Big East was because our little sister school didn't want us in. The conference disintegrated afterwards because the basketball schools (and USF) got what they wanted. Now, the Big 12 is headed down the exact same path... and UT is the biggest to blame for all of it. You should be proud of your school.
In all honesty, we're going to have a good laugh at your expense in 25 years for sure, possibly as little as 10 years.
I.e., you do understand what you're investing in, correct?
Revenue, viewership and ... most importantly ... the ability to compete.
Saying UCF is of no interest, revenue and viewership-wise, is like saying Arizona State is of no interest.
Saying UCF cannot complete, recruiting in a G5, is like saying Boise State cannot complete.
When you put that altogether, and look at some of the recent P5 acquisitions, revenue, viewership and ability to compete, and you have the best G5 available. So ... one more time, although you seem keen on dodging the real question ...
What P5 program is the Big 12 going to steal from another P5 conference?
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But did you know ... Miami is not the #3 fanbase in the state Florida any more?
Wait 10 years, and then 25. You're making fun of a school that wasn't even planned before the early '60s, didn't open until the late '60s, and is in now the 3rd most populous state, the institution that is not closing its doors on students, growing, pumping out graduates at a high rate and represents a broad diversity of graduates.
The dynamics are changing, and that's what the Big 12 is debating. Not if they would take UCF, but if they should take a G5 at all! Because no P5s are going to switch, and the only option is a top G5 ... if they are going to take any G5.
Did you read what Pitt's AD said ... loud and publicly?! They basically called out Genshaft without mentioning her name ("one institution")! WVU then struck in cohorts with Pitt. WVU was our biggest advocate in joining the Big East, and they were not alone.
I.e., ESPN has long had the metrics that UCF is the absolute 'best buy" in G5 viewership per dollar, period, not even debated, covered by the NY Times, USA Today and others. It is undisputed, and our #1 advantage over Boise State, who has a far more consistent rate of success (even back to when UCF was only playing D-IAA/FCS).
SIDE NOTE: The Big East actually wanted both Boise State and UCF, because both provided the BCS points very necessary. But, alas, Boise joined, then backed out after the Big East fell apart.
So because the Big East - ESPN deal was tied to adding UCF, and the basketball schools + Genshaft was all it took to shoot it down. So the Big East "held out for less money." The second that deal was turned down -- literally a week later -- Pitt and WVU left. Done. They had their "Plan B."
And the rest spilled all over the Florida Legislature, where UCF grads were the majority represented. Yes, UCF grads. Apparently you missed that because people outside of Florida don't follow Florida politics. They just make fun of Florida instead.
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Notice how skillfully UT4Texas ignores any question or statement presented that he has no argument for?
He just falls back on the same lame grade school insults and his belief that only a school already in the P5 could possibly be relevant. Despite the fact that any of the top 4 G5 schools would routinely beat 50% of the schools in P5 conferences.
He just falls back on the same lame grade school insults and his belief that only a school already in the P5 could possibly be relevant. Despite the fact that any of the top 4 G5 schools would routinely beat 50% of the schools in P5 conferences.
It's the same thing as when Oregon sports writers said, "You go to Orlando for Disney, not football."
When you start pointing out how UCF offered Frost more of a salary + staff budget ($4M -- the latter being far more important to him, hence why he reduced his own salary) than either Iowa State or Syracuse could meet (final counters at $3.2M or less), they just cannot believe it. Then factor in what Frost thought of recruiting and other potential, and it became obvious.
But they think UCF is nothing with no following at all. Because ... as UT "I know the pulse of the nation" Texas says ... most of the nation has never heard of UCF. I'm sure if you go back to before 2000, not many had heard of Boise State either. But the big difference here is ... Sheer money and viewership that makes UCF more valuable than 25%+ of P5 programs now ... and the gap is only getting bigger.
As I said, in 25 years, old and retired, we'll all laugh at all this. I'm hoping closer to 10 years, and likely so in Florida, but in 25 ... oh yeah, nationwide.
I imagine we have seen the last of the Texas Longhorn.... BTW you should be extremely thankful that the Big 8 threw you and the rest of the state a lifeline so you didn't end up in the Mountain West.
UCF was always going to get into the Big East, that is undisputed. The question was only ... "when."
- The basketball schools + Genshaft decided that UCF wasn't needed, and turned down the ESPN deal that required them to add UCF. Adding UCF also brought a very needed BCS point, although Boise added far more (but didn't have the revenue).
- That, in turn, caused both Pitt and WVU to almost immediately announce (just after a week) they were going to the ACC and Big 12, respectively. Pitt's AD was very explicit on noting "one institution."
- And that, in turn, started the whole Big East going into "survival mode," the Florida Legislature reminding Genshaft that she served the Florida taxpayer, and USF flipping to sponsoring UCF's entry..
And the Big East "held out" for "less money," ala Seinfeld. I'm sure Genshaft, in her dying days, will admit this was one of her biggest mistakes. But until then, she's a public servant, and will state nothing of the sort.
SIDE NOTE: BTW, you fellow Knights do realize the head of sports desk of one of the local Morgantown network affiliates is a UCF grad, right? I was working not far from Morgantown at the time, and got to talk to him several times (including at a Marshall game). WVU was our biggest advocate, by far.
I remember that championship game. It was the one where Vince -I scored a 6 on the Wonderlic, while a score of 10 is the threshold for literacy, yet I still managed to earn a degree from University of Texas- Young completely took over the game, and won it for the longhorns. It was pretty exciting though.
I'm still awaiting an answer to my question. Which P5 is the Big 12 going to steal?
I think the whole thread was about potential, if the Big 12 should expand. That's still something for the Big 12 to decide, which they have not.
But if you listen to UT4Texas here, only another P5 program will satisfy.
I think there is a small number of fans like myself who will of course will welcome the P5, but aren't too unhappy with the AAC. Instead of obsessing over something we can't control, just starting to get excited about the upcoming season.
In all honesty, if the AAC can get the TV revenue, I'm all for staying in. ESPN is undergoing a major "wake up call," fiscally right now, and that might help out the AAC in the long-run. Especially if the AAC can continue to rack up wins against the P5.
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Exactly. I'm not depressed that we are in the AAC. We actiually were the weak link in 2015, but that should change
Potentially, we could have USF, Cincinatti, ECU, Temple, Houston, UCF, Memphis, and Navy all beating P5 teams here and there or at least playing with them. UConn and Tulane would be the lesser teams. With SMU being the "Vanderbilt" Other than the TV contract, is that really so dreadful?
The Gaytors once said the same thing about FSU.
But Florida has been FSU's b**** over the last few years.
96, 06, 08 and many other years of championship contention. Bet you were a quiet little boy in the 00s huh.
UCF has......a fiesta bowl win? A super kewl win v 6-6 Georgia in the liberty bowl?
HAHA don't try and piggyback off FSU, UF and Miami's national titles to form a point. Who would honestly rather be UCF than Texas even with their recent struggles? Tell me you guys aren't this arrogant.
