Impeachment Thread: Trump retaliating at anyone who wasn't willing to commit criminal obstruction
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The notes are alarming. Guy must be in early stages of dementia. Needs to reference notes to understand that a quid pro quo is bad and he didn’t request one. Also needs notes to remind him he is the president. Crazy.
Sondland verified that this was trumps words going back 3 months ago during the call. Making an issue out of this is the same reach as saying obama needed a teleprompter.
Yikes.
NO QUID PRO QUO COVEFFE is the same as using a teleprompter....even bigger yikes. Imagine being @Crazyhole level inbred. How do you get through a normal day with such a severe disability?
Very good question. The same question that could be asked of dozens of other appointed officials like Devos, Tillerson, and pretty much every treasury secretary in my lifetime. It always goes back to who gave the most money to a campaign and who has the most to gain personally. I'll give credit to Obama for generally breaking this trend, but he also appointed people who were more political in nature which is equally disconcerting.
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Personally I believe Trump on this one, he has no motivation to lie. And it's not like he has a history of lying.
You'd have to be crazy to suggest he's lying. TDS! TDS! TDS!
You'd have to be crazy to suggest he's lying. TDS! TDS! TDS!
to think that after 3 years these trump supporters still can't accept the fact that they elected a liar.
not only does he lie, but he seasons his lies with a special blend of racism and sexism. guess that happens to be DRUMPF supporters favorite flavor
Trust me, Sondland's admitted note-taking deficiencies as well as his complaints about his inability to access his State Department notes was his lawyerly way of avoiding potential perjury charges for his previous testimony.
Yea I though he played that brilliantly. Hat tip to his lawyer on that whole plan. Gave him this over-arching plausible story on why all these other guys remember stuff (they take notes) and why he doesn't (not a note taker - no access to files).
sondlands testimony looked pretty bad but then admitted it was all based on his bias. what is that quote about assuming? it makes an ass out of you and me. alot of hype that failed to deliver actual evidence.
the senate trial is going to be fun.
the senate trial is going to be fun.
I love that you think anyone cares about the idiotic political thoughts from someone who don't even know "a lot" is two words.
Sondlands bias? Haha OK. You're talking about an alwaystrumper who's now just looking to avoid jail time.
It's not his "bias". He presumed what the POTUS meant because the POTUS didn't specifically say "we are holding the money until the announcement of an investigation". Pompeo and Rudy did that but they aren't allowed to testify. Either Trump dictated this or somebody below him did, which is it?
Incredibly important testimony from Hill, and I don't mean in terms of impeachment.
I thought she was incredible, in speaking outside of partisan nonsense, and highlighting the level to which Putin is screwing with all of us. And yes "both sides" need to be keen and aware to this, and make sure you're not part of an echo machine that starts with a whisper from Russian intelligence and ends up shared on your Facebook Feed.
I thought she was incredible, in speaking outside of partisan nonsense, and highlighting the level to which Putin is screwing with all of us. And yes "both sides" need to be keen and aware to this, and make sure you're not part of an echo machine that starts with a whisper from Russian intelligence and ends up shared on your Facebook Feed.
“we did not think we were engaging in improper behavior” — that no one expressed any concerns. And he admitted that Trump never told him of any “preconditions” for aid or a meeting.
Asked outright, “No one on this planet told you that President Trump was tying aid to investigations. Yes or no?”, he answered, “Yes.”
The followup: “So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations.”
Sondland’s answer: “Other than my own presumption.”
So the money withheld itself? The announcement of an investigation of the Bidens wasn't asked?
A typical deep state democrat probably working for Ben Ghazi.
Dr. Hill is so British, she packs a lot words into each sentence, the Republicans will run out of time.
i dont know if he did that. i know a great way to find out, lets look at the transcripts to be sure.
To a person, everybody who testified has said that they "assumed" or "heard" this was the case. Schiff recognized it and pivoted to the meeting being about official business. It was a smart move on his part and when his impeachment articles are written up I'm willing to bet that he won't refer to the aid, other than as an aside.
If only the POTUS would release the phone call.
It's possible that I missed it, but were any of the witnesses asked if the transcript was accurate?
Everybody who testified said they 'assumed' or heard' it because it was the State Department's policy towards Ukraine for crying out loud!!!
Funny how the Ukrainian military money flowed and the Presidential "no quid-pro-quo" talk started once word leaked that there was a whistleblower. Just a freakish coincidence, right? That's as believable as the one where diplomats said with straight faces that they failed to connect the dots between Trump's interest in the Ukrainian Company, Burisma, and dirt on the Bidens.
Sounds like you are picking and choosing what to believe from the testimonies. On one hand, you believe the part where it was official state dept policy (although everyone said it wasn't and giuliani was running a shadow policy). On the other hand, you don't believe that those same people were being honest about not making the connection between Burisma and Biden.
Once again, your confirmation bias supersedes your ability to be objective.
That is exactly what you've been doing.
One of the few 'power people' who was directly involved an willing to testify (Sondland) said it was everybody, including the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Energy.
Besides straining credibility, keep in mind that Volker and Sondland's inability to connect Burisma and the Bidens was a way to protect themselves from perjury given their earlier under-oath testimonies.
The WH omitted Burisma in their notes, it was not a transcript. The real transcript is locked down on a server.
They assumed because everybody was on the same page. Like if you go to someone's house and they walk out of the kitchen with a cake and candles, the entire room will assume it's someone's birthday. Trump was working through Rudy, Pompeo and maybe Pence to Volcker, Taylor, Sondland, Perry and others. The top man never asks for the crime to be committed, that's why Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Gates and Stone are in jail.
That's interesting, and it almost seems better for Trump. If he was directing his comment towards Burisma then it gives the perception that he was more concerned about corruption than about Biden. I wonder if the transcript they released was intended to draw attention to Biden, thinking this would never get to this point of impeachment. I just can't see why they wouldn't include "Burisma" in the transcript if he actually said it.
I get your angle, but I'm pretty sure that the guys who were convicted are in jail for crimes not related to Trump.
So this whole shadow vs official foreign policy thing has been a really interesting storyline to follow. A huge intention of Sondland's testimony yesterday was to shout to the mountaintops that he was part of the official policy - in communication with Pompeo, Mulvaney, and ultimately Trump.
I think Fiona Hill did a great job of sorting this all out for us. Unbeknownst to her, Bolton, Taylor, etc was that they were being cut out of what was, from the perspective of having POTUS support, an official channel. But there were two channels. She described her channel as the the one representing stated US foreign policy, while the other channel represented a "domestic political errand." I think that's a better way to think of these two channels.
