Impeachment Thread: Trump retaliating at anyone who wasn't willing to commit criminal obstruction
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It did appear Vindman was dancing around the "talking to the media question" until the end. But I think he was trying to convey that yes he knew the people from NSC who were in charge of talking to the media and he had no idea what they may have communicated to the media. So he couldn't answer "yes" or "no" because he didn't know what those folks had done, but he knew them. The clarification came when Nunes framed the question if he knew "personally" of anyone speaking to the media, then he said "no."
The 5th Amendment deal wasn't over the media question I don't think - it was over naming the myserious "intelligence official" who he said he spoke to. Nunes says "hey take the 5th or answer the question" - Vindman's lawyers says "we're just following the committee's rule that we not name individuals in the intelligence community."
So blame Schiff for the rule, but I don't see how Vindman did anything wrong there.
Most people know that what Trump is accused of doing is wrong. Now that it's becoming crystal clear that the Republicans have no way of refuting the testimonies that have been given, the new word is: 1) a giant waste of time; and 2) even if Trump did it (duh), it's no big deal.
The question was if he knows which agency in the intelligence community went to the media. I'm assuming there are more than 1 employees in each agency so it wasn't a threat to out the whistle blower. Schiff jumped the gun on that question.
Question: When it comes to the recent impeachment hearings, which one of the following statements comes closest to your point of view?
- 51%: Trump's actions were wrong and he should be impeached and removed from office.
- 6%: Trump's actions were wrong and he should be impeached but not removed from office.
- 13%: Trump's actions were wrong, but he should not be impeached or removed from office.
- 25%: President Trump's actions were not wrong.
None, quite honestly. I don't know if what he did was wrong because I think there are details from the background that could swing my opinion either way. I havent heard anything yet that pushes me off of the fence. If this was 100% about 2016 election interference then I am solidly on the side of trump. If its 100% about Burisma I'm probably 50/50. If its 100% about biden then I'm probably 90/10 against trump. There are just too many unknowns and we havent heard officially from the other side to be able to make a determination.
Weird. Ambassador Volkmer changed his testimony today and said, upon reflection, he NOW believes there was a connection between the halting of military aid and an investigation of the Bidens.
I'm guessing the Deep State must have got to him.
I'm guessing the Deep State must have got to him.
Weird. Ambassador Volkmer changed his testimony today and said, upon reflection, he NOW believes there was a connection between the halting of military aid and an investigation of the Bidens.
I'm guessing the Deep State must have got to him.
That IS weird. He had no reason to think that was the case but now has a clear understanding of what was going on.
Again, sondland is the only person of repute that can affect the hearing. Taylor, Williams, and Vindman were all unconvincing (Williams was the most credible) and yovanovitch was used for nothing other than the sympathy factor.
What's weird is that the committee essentially let him off the hook with perjury. We're now to believe this veteran foreign services professional helped Zelensky craft a statement designed to placate Trump by assuring him of Urkraine's seriousness in pursuing an investigation of Burisma -- but never saw its political connection with the Bidens??!? OOOOooookay.
So if Sondland agrees he actually said the things his colleagues -- particularly the comments of Republican witness Tim Morrison -- attributed to him, it's going to be bad. So unless Sondland decides to fall on his sword for the President and claims he did what he did on his own, tomorrow's hearing will be game, set, and match when it comes to an impeachment vote.
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What's weird is that the committee essentially let him off the hook with perjury. We're now to believe this veteran foreign services professional helped Zelensky craft a statement designed to placate Trump by assuring him of Urkraine's seriousness in pursuing an investigation of Burisma -- but never saw its political connection with the Bidens??!? OOOOooookay.
Yeah, i would say so. Up to this point it's all been hearsay and 3rd or 4th party accounts
If sondland testifies that trump gave him the directive to make sure that Ukraine was of the understanding that aid wouldn't be released unless they investigated Biden and made a public announcement about it, then this is over. No innuendo, no assumptions from people who heard something, just an actual witness to what trump is accused of. Sondland should be able to provide that.
The question about him is whether the left will accept his testimony because he has already changed his story. If he comes forward with information that doesn't make a clear case will you go with it, or will you say that he's already discredited himself by changing his testimony? I'm all in for getting off the fence, are you?
Sondland already changed his story once because his colleagues had different recollections that he needed to jive with or raise the issue of perjury. Now there are new testimonies from Taylor and Morrison that he'll have to address tomorrow.
How he decides to address them is tomorrow's drama.
Either direction?
Either Sondland confirms what he was reported to have said to others (including to a dinner party full of diplomats) or he pleads the Fifth and clams up.
The quote that really resonated with me from yesterday's hearings was when asked why he had so much faith in America, Lt. Col. Vindman said, "Here right matters."
OP believes that Trump is first President in history to give supporters Ambassador jobs.
This never happened under any other President.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/obama-donors-top-embassy-jobs-rewards
This never happened under any other President.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/10/obama-donors-top-embassy-jobs-rewards
Yea this is going to be fascinating. There seems to be a greater-than-zero chance he could plead the 5th at some point. If he recognizes that his prior testimony could be classified as perjury, he has three choices - double down and lie again, tell the truth while trying to frame it as "refreshing his recollection", or plead the 5th. How crazy would that be? Of course, the House could grant him immunity specific to perjury on his prior testimony. So if you're Sondland's attorney, and you believe his prior testimony could be perjury, wouldn't it make sense to angle for that specific immunity from the house?
Well, based on quotes so far from today's opening statement, I don't see the 5th coming. It sounds like he's full on coming clean. This is going to be a doozy...
Yep, Sondland isn't stupid. I think he realized at the time of his revision of his initial testimony that he wasn't going to be Trump's fall guy.
I wonder what Trump is going to tweet about Sondland this morning.
No kidding. It looks like his priority here is to cover himself by throwing everyone else under the bus. He's focused on proving that this wasn't a "rogue" process, but that it was exactly what Trump wanted done, and Sondland was keeping everyone in the loop. He's bringing texts and emails apparently...
I don't want to discuss how Sondland got his job, I want to discuss how Hunter Biden got his. MAGA
He needs to take the fall for Trump. Disloyal MF'er! At least Pompeo and Guiliani are loyal and will protect Trump.
It's looking like we need to add Pompeo and Pence to the removal list.
This post hasn't aged well. I wonder if Wayne still likes it.
@Crazyhole you got your first hand knowledge I anxiously await your calls for removal from office
It's pretty close to that. Nunes has his work cut out for him to try to take it apart
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