Get ready to be callled a third grader by the idiot.
my Covid journey
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(and yet more 3rd grader logic ... sigh)
That's why I pegged this from the get-go, SARS-CoV-2 is the new HCoV-OC43.
Until we have a COMPLETE vector vaccine, something that emulates natural immunity, something that brings the spread down an order of magnitude, it will continue.
Heck, the BBC article laid it out well ... (READ!)
'Where in the body is the immunity?
This matters. There is a whole different suite of antibodies (known as immunoglobulin As) in the nose and lungs, compared with those (immunoglobulin Gs) that we measure in the blood.
The former is more important as a barrier to infection. Natural infection, because it is in the nose rather than a jab in the arm, may be a better route to those antibodies, and nasal vaccines are being investigated too.'
mRNA vector vaccines are called 'IgG-predominant' for a reason!
Stop with the 3rd grader "It's all about pro-vax v. anti-vax" utter bullshit to the 10th power! The mass media, social media and the mob won't stop to understand this, and that's the problem!
At least the BBC is 'coming around.' But the Brits are right behind the Israelis in the most detailed data aggregation and collection. They were the first to show the mRNA vaccines didn't even significantly reduce secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 and Alpha, well before Delta.
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You can find anything in the MSM right now. I wouldn‘t go there for information regarding COVID. That is not their area of expertise. Why trust one random immunologist from University of Edinburg over the entire CDC? If you really don’t trust the CDC than there is absolutely no hope for you and I am not going to waste anymore of my time debating this
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So you trust BBC over CDC? If only you were smart enough to realize how stupid you are
Wish I could like this a billion times. You’re dealing with a mongoloid.
I posted that for your benefit! And ... the US CDC is NOT in conflict with it!
Stop saying what you THINK the US CDC is advising! Stop applying arguments that have NOTHING to do with what we're saying!
I mean, we've been posting raw studies from the US NIH, Medrxiv and others, and you guys REFUSE to read them! So ... WTF do you want us to do at this point?! Seriously?! You won't read US NIH papers. You won't read Medrxiv submissions. You won't read Science and others either.
You say we lie that kids don't spread as much as adults, and the UK, Scandinavian, Berlin and other studies of hundreds of thousands to millions of people are just wrong. So ... WTF do you want us to do?
I mean, we've been posting raw studies from the US NIH, Medrxiv and others, and you guys REFUSE to read them! So ... WTF do you want us to do at this point?! Seriously?! You won't read US NIH papers. You won't read Medrxiv submissions. You won't read Science and others either.
You say we lie that kids don't spread as much as adults, and the UK, Scandinavian, Berlin and other studies of hundreds of thousands to millions of people are just wrong. So ... WTF do you want us to do?
I trust the US CDC, but you're utterly mis-stating what the CDC guidance is, and what it is not! The US CDC is debating this right now, especially those well entrenched with the US NIH.
That's why the CDC flipped on the distancing/masks back-forth-back-forth (let alone on mask effectiveness, which is another debate!) in June! The US CDC is utterly at odds with itself in various factions, and that's readily seen in the entire medical community!
They KNEW mRNA vaccines were NOT significantly reducing the spread with even Wuhan-1 and Alpha, and Delta was even worse. Sure enough, the Scandinavians showed the latter was even worse than what the Brits had found with the former.
The US CDC KNEW this was coming, but was pressured to 'open up.' That's the thing, every administration wants to 'open up' and say the vaccines work, and will end this thing. They will NOT, not in their current, INCOMPLETE vector form.
Which is why many authorities and experts are wondering if we're making the problem worse, and now the BBC actually let one speak! It's not just the BBC, it's just the first outlet that is not censoring or downplaying them.
They KNEW mRNA vaccines were NOT significantly reducing the spread with even Wuhan-1 and Alpha, and Delta was even worse. Sure enough, the Scandinavians showed the latter was even worse than what the Brits had found with the former.
The US CDC KNEW this was coming, but was pressured to 'open up.' That's the thing, every administration wants to 'open up' and say the vaccines work, and will end this thing. They will NOT, not in their current, INCOMPLETE vector form.
Which is why many authorities and experts are wondering if we're making the problem worse, and now the BBC actually let one speak! It's not just the BBC, it's just the first outlet that is not censoring or downplaying them.
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The pandemic is bad because unvaccinated people are getting hospitalized and over running the current medical system. Vaccines prevent hospitalization. When you say vaccines don’t work you are missing the point.
Where did he say they don't work? Seems to me like he's just saying that immunity from them is incomplete.
Yes, the pandemic is bad in that regard, and the primary cause of overloading our hospitals. No argument.
But ... the pandemic causing the most fiscal and other damage to this country is 100% artificially caused, because we're still trying to test and isolate, when that's impossible, and has been impossible for a long-time. And it only got worse in June ...
Because the US CDC was politically bullied into ending the social distancing and mask recommendations for adults in June, at the worst possible time, all while hypocritically pushing for the masking of kids, who don't even spread 1/10th as much as adults, per the 15 month Berlin study. Some of our policies are actually extending the pandemic!
Which brings me to ...
I NEVER said IgG-predominant mRNA vector vaccines did not work in that regard.
I NEVER said that!
I ONLY said ...
1) They were NOT designed to significant reduce the spread, and ...
2) They ended up being PROVEN they do not, with Wuhan-1 and Alpha, and virtually not at all with Delta
This is not debated any more in the medical community, but politicians are afraid if it's more known, it will inhibit vaccination. So we're censoring everyone pointing it out. Same with the sterilization benefits of natural immunity, especially IgA antibodies in the upper respiratory tract, compared to mRNA IgG vaccination, which seems to be inhibiting such generation, sadly enough. We had hoped it would be the opposite, but again, mRNA vaccines were NEVER designed to significant reduce the spread.
You're yet another person that came into these threads, and didn't bother to read anything I posted prior, and only read what @Ucfmikes and others say I'm promoting. The funny thing is ... he has backtracked so much, and actually had to agree with what I've said prior, but refuses to admit it!
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So what’s your issue with vaccines and what should we be doing differently in your opinion.? You type a lot without really saying anything
Sum bitch I like this new guy!!!! Took him about 5 minutes to figure out our resident idiot.
You catch on quick.
Other posters spend months trying to use logic and facts to change these idiots minds, not realizing that you can't use facts and logic to change the mind of someone who bases their worldview on their preconceived emotions and propaganda.
Where does this conflict with the CDC? Stop asserting things without reading!
Do I have an issue with vaccines? Did you think I am an anti-vaxxer or something?!
For starters, we should already have an updated, direct mRNA Delta or at least Gamma Booster, let alone Alpha, not a rehash of Wuhan-1. Most associated with the US NIH have utterly trashed the Pfizer CEO's Booster marketing in July for this reason.
We also need more domestic R&D put into an intra-nasal, live, attenuated virus vaccine, which the US NIH openly complained about 0 domestic R&D being spent in July 2020.
No, I quote a lot of authoritative studies.
Start with this thread...
This post has a lot of history...
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You’re delusional. I didn’t agree with anything that you said. Seek help and stop killing people. Nobody is going to ever give you credit for anything here in the WC, so stop searching desperately for a pat on your back to feed your insecurities.
Where the heck did you get this?! This is flat out false.
I've never heard anyone argue any natural immunity is limited to the variant of infection, let alone it generates IgA, IgG and IgM antibodies, especially sterilization of the upper respiratory tract with IgG, massively reducing spread.
The mRNA vector vaccines currently create a SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 spike protein, and are IgG-predominant, which means largely in the blood. That's why they were never designed to significantly reduce the spread on their own.
That's why the hope was always the combination of natural infection would create the missing protection, while the IgG antibodies from mRNA vaccination would allow that to happen without serious illness. But that hasn't happened.
Furthermore, the spike is now 18 months out of date. That's why everyone is screaming for an update to a Lambda, Delta, Gamma or at least Alpha. That was the original promise of mRNA vectors, quick and cheap updates.
The Adenovirus mRNA vectors also seem to be lasting longer, and create more T-cells. The negative is that they take longer to protect, and could be neutralized before protection if someone has an immunity or builds one against the Adenovirus.
He won't answer but it's nothing to do with the field of medicine.
something in computers. Probably installing memory at Best Buy
GEEK SQUAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those guys are absolutely people who I turn to when it comes to knowing how to navigate a pandemic.
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So why are we seeing breakthrough infections in those with natural immunity but not those who were vaccinated?
Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated Americans have tested positive
The 125,682 "breakthrough" cases in 38 states represent less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people fully vaccinated since January.
www.nbcnews.com
Maybe because you haven't been looking for the reports?
Huh? We're not seeing breakthrough infections of the mRNA vaccinated?!
And where are you getting that natural immunity is at a higher rate of breakthroughs?!
The data has been the opposite!
Seriously! I don't know if it's the US Media or assumption, but he's got it utterly twisted around.Maybe because you haven't been looking for the reports?Breakthrough Covid cases: Data shows how many vaccinated Americans have tested positive
The 125,682 "breakthrough" cases in 38 states represent less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people fully vaccinated since January.
I guess censoring Dr. Rand Paul, MD and others who have posted peer-reviewed studies is really doing a number on people. It's why I still cannot believe we've reached this state of 'assumption/hope' > 'peer-reviewed studies.'
You article posted just supported that vaccines are better that natural immunity by far, so what the hell are you arguing?
I guess there have been no breakthrough cases among the vaccinated, and that explains why the vaccinated need another booster shot.
I know both of these morons outside of the WC and I can tell you that they are the LAST people that you would ask about this topic
ADDITIONALLY, neither has ever worked in a field REMOTELY related to this topic
DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM AND DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE IF YOU CARE TO LIVE!
People are really brainwashed by mass and social media out there ... pure echo chamber at odds with the US NIH and others.
Is it Covid-resistant? or Covid-proof? If so, for how long?
Yes, because you guys cannot or don't bother to read, so I used 3 colors/bold sets basically showing what you guys continually ignore and explains why the pandemic is not close to ending.
I met with doctor today. She has these letters after her name, M.D. We discussed my prognosis, listened to my heart and lungs, checked my pulse ox and discussed flying to Orlando this weekend to see my son and the knights play some football.
In that discussion I brought up the vaccine and when to do it. Guess what Shuck, a genuine medical doctor , said don't do it. One I should wait like 9 months and two the data is showing based on her sources that Mu variant is not covered by the current generation of vaccines.
she said it's like a protein or two different than the vaccines cover. Then says as she reminded me of my genetics and microbiology classes that when viruses mutate it is often just a protein or two different than the current generation. She said with Delta I got all the proteins and my body would recognize the majority of the Mu proteins and would defend against the virus and if I got it ,it would most likely just like a cold or sinus issues .
So, do Iisten to the good folks in the water cooler or do I Iisten to the person with the credentials of MD? I am struggling here.
Yeah. I mean you spent some time in the hospital with Covid. You probably got a good deal of antibodies. Ideally the vaccine would have come first. At this point I wouldn’t necessarily race to get the current gen vaccine unless it is required for something like travel (or at least makes things easier). You probably have a sufficient amount of short term protection going forward. They are currently testing vaccine formulations to target the newer variants. I would wait on those if I were you too. Only problem is if it starts being required for access places.
I have said that same thing. The only hiccup with comparing it to the vaccine and saying that it's an either/or proposition is that vaccinated people get exposed to the virus as well, so they would also obtain immunity against all 29 proteins.
Sad that people harshly criticize others who are trying to do the right thing. My daughter got Covid and lost her sense of taste and smell for a month after it was over so she got the Covid shot. You do what you think makes sense. The truth is that we ALL don't know exactly what the long term ramifications of this situation are so some tolerance for both sides of the discussion is sorely needed. Heck we don't even know exactly what started the pandemic. Everybody playing the expert is what's killing these boards 
I am not nor ever was antivaccine. I have said it a few I earned a degree in biology at UCF. I had to take genetics, cell physiology,microbiology among others and a couple years of chemistry. I told my doctor that my degree makes 1/4 doctor and she laughed then said you're right. lol.
I have also shared my son in Orlando has epilepsy. He takes a drug with a huge list of side effects. we are given those side effects and we make the best choice possible with all the knowns ..seizure that could likely kill him or a drug that might have long term health issues including death. it's a sucky situation.
My beef with the vaxxer crowd is the denial that bad stuff IS happening and it appears that it's not being reported or could be under reported. my doctor thinks it's bring under reported. In the last week my neighbor dies of Delta , fully vaccinated.My brother in law cousin is KILLLED by the vaccine, dead in 3 days. A friend's nephew gets vaxxed and about the time I leave the hospital is dead from the vaccine shot he got at the beginning of August and never recovered from.
Until all this I know about 30 People who got Covid ,never went to the hospital ,none are vaccinated and all recovered in a week. Until my neighbor Rusty died I didn't know anyone personally that has passed and this past week I learn of others through family and friends that died from the vaccine itself. I wonder if any of these deaths are reported?
So making the epilepsy drug analogy I think vaccine hesitant people read these stories of deaths from the vaccine itself or breakthrough cases and wonder if the risk is worth it? I think if they are like where most people they know got Covid and it's was like a weird flu for a few days that they are rolling the dice .
If you want more to get vaccinated then they need to come clean and be as transparent as gin here and list all the side effects from cardiac to what ever, list the percentage of brak through,list how you can transmit it to others and list how you can still get sick . You have to give people data they can trust and list the pros and cons to taking the shot. Until then people that are left don't trust it. It doesn't matter how right you guys are on the vaccinated side of it. This is where we are in this. Trust is the issue and you can be right all day long but if people don't trust you, it doesn't matter.
I listen to MY doctor ,not the WHO,not the internet,not CDC and definitely not any politician right or left . However , I see the core issue here from a dad who has a son who is 23 now and had meningitis at 24 days old leaving him severely disabled and my other kid having epilepsy.
Trust in procedures, medicine and doctors is key. Frankly, y'all I think those antivaxxers just don't trust it and again y'all can be right until the cows come home,but they don't trust it. calling them names doesn't help and publicly wishing for them to die surely doesn't win hearts and minds of people you are trying to influence.
The only thing here to do is get transparent on all of it. Give people sound data,sound known side effects and true frequency like any other perscripton drug is required to do by law , do that and you build trust .
I have also shared my son in Orlando has epilepsy. He takes a drug with a huge list of side effects. we are given those side effects and we make the best choice possible with all the knowns ..seizure that could likely kill him or a drug that might have long term health issues including death. it's a sucky situation.
My beef with the vaxxer crowd is the denial that bad stuff IS happening and it appears that it's not being reported or could be under reported. my doctor thinks it's bring under reported. In the last week my neighbor dies of Delta , fully vaccinated.My brother in law cousin is KILLLED by the vaccine, dead in 3 days. A friend's nephew gets vaxxed and about the time I leave the hospital is dead from the vaccine shot he got at the beginning of August and never recovered from.
Until all this I know about 30 People who got Covid ,never went to the hospital ,none are vaccinated and all recovered in a week. Until my neighbor Rusty died I didn't know anyone personally that has passed and this past week I learn of others through family and friends that died from the vaccine itself. I wonder if any of these deaths are reported?
So making the epilepsy drug analogy I think vaccine hesitant people read these stories of deaths from the vaccine itself or breakthrough cases and wonder if the risk is worth it? I think if they are like where most people they know got Covid and it's was like a weird flu for a few days that they are rolling the dice .
If you want more to get vaccinated then they need to come clean and be as transparent as gin here and list all the side effects from cardiac to what ever, list the percentage of brak through,list how you can transmit it to others and list how you can still get sick . You have to give people data they can trust and list the pros and cons to taking the shot. Until then people that are left don't trust it. It doesn't matter how right you guys are on the vaccinated side of it. This is where we are in this. Trust is the issue and you can be right all day long but if people don't trust you, it doesn't matter.
I listen to MY doctor ,not the WHO,not the internet,not CDC and definitely not any politician right or left . However , I see the core issue here from a dad who has a son who is 23 now and had meningitis at 24 days old leaving him severely disabled and my other kid having epilepsy.
Trust in procedures, medicine and doctors is key. Frankly, y'all I think those antivaxxers just don't trust it and again y'all can be right until the cows come home,but they don't trust it. calling them names doesn't help and publicly wishing for them to die surely doesn't win hearts and minds of people you are trying to influence.
The only thing here to do is get transparent on all of it. Give people sound data,sound known side effects and true frequency like any other perscripton drug is required to do by law , do that and you build trust .
This spells anti-vaxxer like crazy. Even the wording. I work in healthcare and I’m not seeing it. I’m calling BS on all of what YOU ARE SEEING
Here’s a few people for you to know. Now show me the vaccination deaths. 100% of anti-vaxxers have stories about people dying from vaccines, but amazingly COVID DOESN’T TOUCH the other UNVACCINATED super humans that THEY KNOW.
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We aren’t here for snowflakes ❄️ not to trust people who call them names making stupid decisions. Reputable physicians are recommending vaccinations and the great majority of them have been vaccinated. If you don’t trust science for no logical good reason, or mostly don’t UNDERSTAND IT, just say you’re not taking it because you’re ignorant. You have waited this long and that’s all one has to know about where your head is at
CHICAGO — The American Medical Association (AMA) today released a new survey (PDF) among practicing physicians that shows more than 96 percent of surveyed U.S. physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated.
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