January 2020 to August 2021 = 5 months? (hint: 12+8=20)
the least you can do is make your argument in good faith, don't be like them.
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the least you can do is make your argument in good faith, don't be like them.
I really don’t know where you guys are going with this. The country is about 50% vaccinated, hospitals are full of unvaccinated people, cases and deaths are rising, new strains are forming, restrictions are increasing, football is once again being threatened, and we continue to argue that this is a nothingburger.
It’s just the Flu
If we can’t tailgate and have full stadiums without masks, I’m going to be so freaking annoyed. College football and traveling are my passions and both are being severely disrupted. I can’t control sickness and death amongst unvaccinated people. I did my part
Advocating death? You’re over the edge, brother. I’m not anti-vaccines by any means but you’re as far in one direction as the people you make fun of are in the other.
You’ve been acting like COVID is killing people in numbers that are unprecedented and well beyond anything else but the fact is we had half the COVID deaths last year as we hid both cancer and heart disease. My point is that we can eliminate a portion of the deaths from both heart disease and some cancers through aggressive behavioral adjustment but you don’t see the same fervor because we accept those scary things are a fact of life. We don’t tear down Presidents and Governors on the absolute failure to stem off those tons of deaths for decades. And we don’t hate each other based on it either. COVID is no joke but you can take a step back and see that our emotional responses are not equal.
They’ve been counting deaths since the Doctor in Washington first alerted the public to an emerging pandemic. I was off by a bit over a month. It was Feb 6, 2020.
buddy, there are 12 months in a year.
august is the 8th month of the year.
12+8 =/=17
Where are you really going with this? I just responded above. Are you not sick of this? We aren’t going to overthrow the government or riot. The ONLY thing that is going to end this are vaccines
Advocate the ones that we have until something better comes along. We aren’t going back to the 14th century. Vaccines are here to stay
March 13, 2020 to August 13 2021 is 1 year and 5 months. This wasn’t anything until mid-March 2020. Although EXACT dates aren’t really the point. I’m just saying March 13th, 2020 because that’s when all hell basically broke loose
675,000 deaths in basically less than 1 1/2 years is a lot.
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I was trying to find the number of flu tests administered in those 2 seasons to see if there was some context but can't find those numbers. If anyone could, it might help understand why that happened.hold on to your triggers
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Upcoming 2020-2021 Influenza Season
What you need to know about the upcoming 2020-2021 influenza season in the United States.
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According to the CDC, it was 1675 positive cases.
March to August is 5 months. US wasn’t seeing Covid deaths until March. And even then it was a tiny handful.
Upcoming 2020-2021 Influenza Season
What you need to know about the upcoming 2020-2021 influenza season in the United States.
According to the CDC, it was 1675 positive cases.
Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates
CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.
www.cdc.gov
39 to 50 million the year before.
How many people died from the flu in 2019-2020?Preliminary In-Season 2021-2022 Flu Burden Estimates
CDC's weekly cumulative in-season estimates of flu cases, medical visits, hospitalizations and deaths in the United States.
39 to 50 million the year before.
The graphic compares 2 different things. 38 million is an estimate for flu cases, not actual positive cases. Non-chuds can tell this based on the fact that it is exactly 38 million while the number of cases confirmed via test last year was 1822. There weren’t 38 million positive tests the year before. It’s a CDC estimate. Next to no one is actually tested for influenza.Upcoming 2020-2021 Influenza Season
What you need to know about the upcoming 2020-2021 influenza season in the United States.
According to the CDC, it was 1675 positive cases.
first reported case was in january, meaning it was probably around before the exact date even.
regardless, only 6% of people died from just Covid.
what's 6% of 650,000? 39,000! a shockingly similar number the average number of deaths from pneumonia/influenza, but smaller. more people die from suicide than just covid.
even gunshot deaths have been counted as Covid deaths.
so no, as a healthy person you're not gonna get me into hysterics over the flu no matter how good it feels when you pat your own back.
**** you are dumb as shit. 6% died of Covid? The rest just died of Covid symptoms. Lol.
I would guess that it was probably in the normal range. 20- 60 thousand. That's why I say it would be interesting to see if we just weren't testing for it as much since we were so focused on Covid, or if the numbers actually did drop that much.
You don’t have to comply or get hysterical, but whatever you’re fighting, it’s a losing battle
There are rare years where we have 80k - 120k influenza deaths and influenza affects young much more severely than COVID does (although the mutations of SARS COV 2 are more concerning for youths). COVID is worse than influenza right now but it’s not 100x worse. We’ve just accepted influenza as a fact of life so it didn’t matter when we spiked from 20k deaths to 80k deaths YOY.
My point is the same as it’s been since day one: take the proper precautions and live life with the new normal. Don’t let it tear us apart and don’t let power-hungry politicians use it as a crisis to enact whatever great change they want to push through. And remember that life has always been and will always be fragile so live it with love and respect.
FluView Summary ending on March 13, 2021 | CDC
Everything you need to know about the flu illness, including symptoms, treatment and prevention.
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Looks like we conducted about 1.1 million flu tests in this last flu season.
This is why I don't want to participate any more. The statistics are all there, but people don't want to compare apples to oranges.
Yes, there have been tens of not hundreds of thousands of estimated flu cases in 2020-2021, and not just a couple of thousand.
But they are still down 2-3 orders or magnitude from every year before. That's due to social distancing and masks.
And many flu, like pneumonia, deaths are being reported by the US Media, while the CDC at least tries to keep them separate.
That's why we have so many non-SARS-CoV-2 kids on TV in hospitals. In reality, flu kills a lot too, and spreads fast, but not as much as SARS-CoV-2... unless its Flu A variants, which kill even more!
In fact, it's similar to OC43-CoV in the 1890s, it's killing everyone... but kids. And kids aren't spreading it like the flu. The only difference is we have mRNA vaccines in 2021+, but they don't significantly reduce the spread.
Only reduce death.
This isn't hard, but it requires everyone to be objective, and ignore the 3rd grade US Media and politicians.
Yes, there have been tens of not hundreds of thousands of estimated flu cases in 2020-2021, and not just a couple of thousand.
But they are still down 2-3 orders or magnitude from every year before. That's due to social distancing and masks.
And many flu, like pneumonia, deaths are being reported by the US Media, while the CDC at least tries to keep them separate.
That's why we have so many non-SARS-CoV-2 kids on TV in hospitals. In reality, flu kills a lot too, and spreads fast, but not as much as SARS-CoV-2... unless its Flu A variants, which kill even more!
In fact, it's similar to OC43-CoV in the 1890s, it's killing everyone... but kids. And kids aren't spreading it like the flu. The only difference is we have mRNA vaccines in 2021+, but they don't significantly reduce the spread.
Only reduce death.
This isn't hard, but it requires everyone to be objective, and ignore the 3rd grade US Media and politicians.
Including kids that cannot be mRNA vaccinated, and I'd be surprised if we see anything under 18, under 16 for Pfizer, get approval anytime soon.
I'll recheck the submissions, but Pfizer's initial 12-15 results for placebo only showed further how mRNA vaccines don't help kids 12-15.
this is an interesting interview:
John Whyte, MD; Eli Adashi, MD
JOHN WHYTE: Welcome, everyone. You're watching "Coronavirus in Context." How does this pandemic end? Well, I think I have someone to talk to today who has the answers. Dr. Eli Adashi is professor of medical science at Brown University and the author of a commentary recently in JAMA: “Potential COVID-19 Endgame Scenarios, Eradication, Elimination, Cohabitation, or Conflagration?” Dr. Adashi, thanks for joining me today.
ELI ADASHI: My distinct pleasure. Good to meet you, John.
JOHN WHYTE: You know, it's what's on everyone's mind: “How does this end?” And I think the Delta variant has changed some of our thinking about it. So let's walk through it, if we can, each of these scenarios.
ELI ADASHI: Well, eradication is, of course, the ideal option, shall we say, that all of us would embrace wholeheartedly, and it refers to the outright elimination of the virus from the face of the Earth. And we have done this before, as you probably know, for smallpox for example.
JOHN WHYTE: Took a long time to do that, though.
ELI ADASHI: Took a long time, yes. And we might be near, but not quite there, with polio, which, of course, has also been with us now well over 50 years. There are a few pockets in Asia that have yet to be eradicated. But there has been a persistent and consistent effort to accomplish this, and we're very close. So in theory, it is accomplishable, but whether or not this will be the circumstance here is clearly too early to even imagine or daydream about.
JOHN WHYTE: And many areas of the world are in the single digits in terms of vaccination. As you point out, eradication is a global strategy. And as you and I know, in many ways, there is vaccine nationalism. That's going to be hard to overcome as we think through an eradication strategy. Well then, let's talk about what's an elimination strategy and do you think that's possible given what's been going on in the last few weeks.
ELI ADASHI: So elimination is a less aspirational goal, or a lesser aspirational goal, than eradication because it does not aim to eliminate the virus from the face of the Earth. Instead, it seeks to selectively eliminate the virus from specific regions, nations, continents. But certainly not in a way that would allow us to say this is now behind us.
JOHN WHYTE: But as you point out, it's not complete removal of the virus from the world.
ELI ADASHI: I mean, we probably cannot even, at this point in the history of this pandemic, claim to ever say full-fledged or 100% elimination. But examples of circumstances where one is close would be Israel, for example, wherein vaccination rates are probably the highest they are anywhere at this time. In fact, as you know, they're moving now to administer boosters to individuals over 60 and who are immunocompromised.
So it's a developed nation with 7 million citizens, which is mightily different than a developed nation with 330 million citizens. And while I'm not sure that Israel is free of the nationalism that you alluded to earlier or the anti-vac sentiments that are clearly very strong here, they have been able to accomplish impressive numbers. And there are a few other examples that I think are aspiring to that and, in the final analysis, all of us want to get there.
JOHN WHYTE: Sure. But do you think we'll get there, Dr. Adashi, or we're going to have a cohabitation strategy? Which means somehow it becomes endemic, we figure out a way to live with the virus. That's what some people are saying now: Let's stop focusing on every single case and focus on how do we manage it, how do we minimize death in severe cases.
ELI ADASHI: Yes. I agree with you that cohabitation is the most likely realistic scenario in the near future --
JOHN WHYTE: What's near future? What's near -- that's what everyone wants to know: What's the near future?
ELI ADASHI: We're still talking years, John, I don't think we're talking months. Just look at the vaccination rate in the United States for example, we've got a long way to go.
JOHN WHYTE: Yeah, did you feel differently, say, 2 months ago, when there seemed to be more light at the end of the tunnel? Has the Delta variant changed your perspective in terms of what the end game is?
ELI ADASHI: Well, it did. But you realize, John, that this paper was submitted probably 4 or 5 months ago, and so --
JOHN WHYTE: You were prescient in terms of what was going on.
ELI ADASHI: I was simply uncertain as to the outcome and nobody, even though I know many people who are in the know, I never really received a fully satisfactory explanation of what the near-term or long-term future might be. So that's when I recruited this mini-team of ours and we tried to think through the scenarios. And one of the goals we were hoping to accomplish is to give everybody else a framework to work with so that we all speak the same language in a way.
JOHN WHYTE: Let's talk about that last one, conflagration. Which sometimes means battle, fighting; it means different nuances to folks. What do you mean by it in the setting of COVID-19?
ELI ADASHI: Well, it's effectively a state of war between us, and what I would characterize is an equal-opportunity assassin that is out there to serve itself, survive, and thrive at our expense. It's really --
JOHN WHYTE: That's different than cohabitation because we're not having these frequent episodes or epicenters where people are dying.
ELI ADASHI: No, this is an all-out war that claims more victims, as you know, than conventional wars. And I perhaps will use this opportunity, if you will allow me, to say two more things. One is as bad as the Delta variant may be, the notion of a so-called doomsday variant should still be on our mind because the virus is evolutionarily evolving all the time. And the more living space we allow it, the more likely it is to take advantage of its mutation ability.
What I would say could be a game-changer, and I'm sure you have thought about it, is the one ingredient that is still missing in the total mix, and that is a therapeutic. It would introduce a measure of confidence that the vaccines cannot provide at this point because of the anti-vaccine sentiment, because of the nationalism, et cetera. But just imagine there was an effective therapeutic that your primary care provider could call into the pharmacy, you would take it, and in a matter of days, you'll be back to normal and you certainly avoid hospitalization, let alone in ICU.
JOHN WHYTE: Well, I wanted to ask you that. That was actually going to be my next question: Where is the optimism Dr. Adashi? And your optimism may be, it sounds like, in the role of therapeutics because drugs --
ELI ADASHI: I think so.
JOHN WHYTE: Because people are, typically, aren't as anti-therapeutics. No one saying don't give me monoclonal antibodies, don't give me remdesivir. Even though we're going to continue to have new therapies and additional therapies as really a 360-degree strategy, including more testing and more frequent testing.
ELI ADASHI: This must be a truly difficult problem, or we haven't thrown that enough financial or intellectual resources, or both.
JOHN WHYTE: Well, Dr. Adashi, I want to thank you for your thought leadership on this issue and really creating the dialogue about what is our endgame, because that's what we all want to know.
ELI ADASHI: Absolutely. Thank you very much.
John Whyte, MD; Eli Adashi, MD
JOHN WHYTE: Welcome, everyone. You're watching "Coronavirus in Context." How does this pandemic end? Well, I think I have someone to talk to today who has the answers. Dr. Eli Adashi is professor of medical science at Brown University and the author of a commentary recently in JAMA: “Potential COVID-19 Endgame Scenarios, Eradication, Elimination, Cohabitation, or Conflagration?” Dr. Adashi, thanks for joining me today.
ELI ADASHI: My distinct pleasure. Good to meet you, John.
JOHN WHYTE: You know, it's what's on everyone's mind: “How does this end?” And I think the Delta variant has changed some of our thinking about it. So let's walk through it, if we can, each of these scenarios.
ELI ADASHI: Well, eradication is, of course, the ideal option, shall we say, that all of us would embrace wholeheartedly, and it refers to the outright elimination of the virus from the face of the Earth. And we have done this before, as you probably know, for smallpox for example.
JOHN WHYTE: Took a long time to do that, though.
ELI ADASHI: Took a long time, yes. And we might be near, but not quite there, with polio, which, of course, has also been with us now well over 50 years. There are a few pockets in Asia that have yet to be eradicated. But there has been a persistent and consistent effort to accomplish this, and we're very close. So in theory, it is accomplishable, but whether or not this will be the circumstance here is clearly too early to even imagine or daydream about.
JOHN WHYTE: And many areas of the world are in the single digits in terms of vaccination. As you point out, eradication is a global strategy. And as you and I know, in many ways, there is vaccine nationalism. That's going to be hard to overcome as we think through an eradication strategy. Well then, let's talk about what's an elimination strategy and do you think that's possible given what's been going on in the last few weeks.
ELI ADASHI: So elimination is a less aspirational goal, or a lesser aspirational goal, than eradication because it does not aim to eliminate the virus from the face of the Earth. Instead, it seeks to selectively eliminate the virus from specific regions, nations, continents. But certainly not in a way that would allow us to say this is now behind us.
JOHN WHYTE: But as you point out, it's not complete removal of the virus from the world.
ELI ADASHI: I mean, we probably cannot even, at this point in the history of this pandemic, claim to ever say full-fledged or 100% elimination. But examples of circumstances where one is close would be Israel, for example, wherein vaccination rates are probably the highest they are anywhere at this time. In fact, as you know, they're moving now to administer boosters to individuals over 60 and who are immunocompromised.
So it's a developed nation with 7 million citizens, which is mightily different than a developed nation with 330 million citizens. And while I'm not sure that Israel is free of the nationalism that you alluded to earlier or the anti-vac sentiments that are clearly very strong here, they have been able to accomplish impressive numbers. And there are a few other examples that I think are aspiring to that and, in the final analysis, all of us want to get there.
JOHN WHYTE: Sure. But do you think we'll get there, Dr. Adashi, or we're going to have a cohabitation strategy? Which means somehow it becomes endemic, we figure out a way to live with the virus. That's what some people are saying now: Let's stop focusing on every single case and focus on how do we manage it, how do we minimize death in severe cases.
ELI ADASHI: Yes. I agree with you that cohabitation is the most likely realistic scenario in the near future --
JOHN WHYTE: What's near future? What's near -- that's what everyone wants to know: What's the near future?
ELI ADASHI: We're still talking years, John, I don't think we're talking months. Just look at the vaccination rate in the United States for example, we've got a long way to go.
JOHN WHYTE: Yeah, did you feel differently, say, 2 months ago, when there seemed to be more light at the end of the tunnel? Has the Delta variant changed your perspective in terms of what the end game is?
ELI ADASHI: Well, it did. But you realize, John, that this paper was submitted probably 4 or 5 months ago, and so --
JOHN WHYTE: You were prescient in terms of what was going on.
ELI ADASHI: I was simply uncertain as to the outcome and nobody, even though I know many people who are in the know, I never really received a fully satisfactory explanation of what the near-term or long-term future might be. So that's when I recruited this mini-team of ours and we tried to think through the scenarios. And one of the goals we were hoping to accomplish is to give everybody else a framework to work with so that we all speak the same language in a way.
JOHN WHYTE: Let's talk about that last one, conflagration. Which sometimes means battle, fighting; it means different nuances to folks. What do you mean by it in the setting of COVID-19?
ELI ADASHI: Well, it's effectively a state of war between us, and what I would characterize is an equal-opportunity assassin that is out there to serve itself, survive, and thrive at our expense. It's really --
JOHN WHYTE: That's different than cohabitation because we're not having these frequent episodes or epicenters where people are dying.
ELI ADASHI: No, this is an all-out war that claims more victims, as you know, than conventional wars. And I perhaps will use this opportunity, if you will allow me, to say two more things. One is as bad as the Delta variant may be, the notion of a so-called doomsday variant should still be on our mind because the virus is evolutionarily evolving all the time. And the more living space we allow it, the more likely it is to take advantage of its mutation ability.
What I would say could be a game-changer, and I'm sure you have thought about it, is the one ingredient that is still missing in the total mix, and that is a therapeutic. It would introduce a measure of confidence that the vaccines cannot provide at this point because of the anti-vaccine sentiment, because of the nationalism, et cetera. But just imagine there was an effective therapeutic that your primary care provider could call into the pharmacy, you would take it, and in a matter of days, you'll be back to normal and you certainly avoid hospitalization, let alone in ICU.
JOHN WHYTE: Well, I wanted to ask you that. That was actually going to be my next question: Where is the optimism Dr. Adashi? And your optimism may be, it sounds like, in the role of therapeutics because drugs --
ELI ADASHI: I think so.
JOHN WHYTE: Because people are, typically, aren't as anti-therapeutics. No one saying don't give me monoclonal antibodies, don't give me remdesivir. Even though we're going to continue to have new therapies and additional therapies as really a 360-degree strategy, including more testing and more frequent testing.
ELI ADASHI: This must be a truly difficult problem, or we haven't thrown that enough financial or intellectual resources, or both.
JOHN WHYTE: Well, Dr. Adashi, I want to thank you for your thought leadership on this issue and really creating the dialogue about what is our endgame, because that's what we all want to know.
ELI ADASHI: Absolutely. Thank you very much.
NYC mayor just came out with a vaccine mandate to go places. May want to post that
Good. Let’s restore some confidence that you aren’t killing an unvaccinated spreadneck when you go out to eat. These people have families after all.
It makes sense, although I don't like it. They know that northern states are going to get hit again this winter.
