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St. Cloud geriatrics nurse. Apparently she does in home visits with patients who are elderly and cannot get to a doctor.
Side note. Is Berenson now saying the virus is deadly after more than a year of downplaying it? It took a while, but good that he finally came around.
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She’s an ARNP. Never heard of her. Coincidence. She’s not affiliated with a medical practice that I know of. Apparently, she works independently and sees homebound patients. These patients are old. Not enough facts and too many variables. Elderly patients were vaccinated and had COVID and died of illnesses that the elderly die from. Got itSt. Cloud geriatrics nurse.
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Makes sense. Old people that probably would have died anyway. Just more sensationalism.St. Cloud geriatrics nurse.
It says in the article that Berenson included that she treats homebound patients. In other words patients that are too sick to visit a doctors office.
Medicare defines “homebound” status as being those patients that require assistance when leaving the home and that when they do, it requires a considerable, taxing effort.
Very sick and elderly patients with minimal family assistance and they can’t drive. Many even on oxygen. Could they have been vaccinated, tested positive for COVID and died? Definitely believable. Should a person not get vaccinated or a booster because of this? Uh……..no
It's just more crap that muddies the water. People are doing the same thing with vaccinated deaths that was done with covid cases and deaths, particularly among younger people and the very old.
And you wonder what I've been reading since last year, let alone the initial results of various mRNA vector vaccines.
^^^ It's not just anti-vaxxers people.
That's 3rd grader logic.
And here's the kicker...
By the time the statistics of early 2021 came in on the initial mRNA vaccines, it was already May-June. And what we learned about even pre-Delta was sombering.
So as Delta came in, the NIH, even portions of the CDC, were screaming the narrative was going to backfire. But the distancing and masks ended, and... yeah, 7+ weeks later.
We must be educated to be free.
Instead, we're mainly 3rd graders.
Some of you were confused by me.
I'm not anti-vax, I still distance and mask.
Now you know why I posted.
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So we agree on this.
But it's because people like yourself called me an idiot and claimed you showed my statements to doctors who also said I was an idiot, that you're now backtracking and won't admit everything is going down like I said it would.
Because I'm not an anti-vaxxer like you claim.
I'm taking issue with your 3rd grader messaging.
You’re an idiot for about 100 other reasons. We don’t agree on anything that you’re saying and haven’t discussed a situation like this. Nobody said that the vaccines are 100% effective and these cases haven’t even been verified. It’s hearsay You’re constantly being proven wrong and never address it. You just change the subject and YOU ARE AN ANTI-BIG PHARMA, ANTI-VAXXER CONSPIRACY THEORIST,
Elderly people die you moron and this old “3rd grader” argument isn’t a good look for you. Take your medicine and get a job you babbling lunatic
Yes, the ones you make up, but I don't actually state, or ones that you state, but literally are nothing I've ever said. Hence ...
Because all you do is argue with me, not any detail ... if I'm not 'with' you on everything from the get-go, I'm 'against' you on everything after that ... regardless of what I say.
Did you not read anything I've posted prior?
It's 100% effective at not stopping the pandemic, that's something you refuse to admit, now that enough doctors are even saying that the early 2021 mRNA vaccine data proved this by May-June. Delta just amplified it.
The spread is not significantly reduced by IgG preominate mRNA vaccines, and nothing will until we have a mass of people sporting a more natural immunity of IgM, IgG and, most of all, IgA antibodies in the upper respiratory tract too.
That's why kids, as well as people who recover, spread it far, far less than the mRNA vaccinated. It's why Dr. Rand Paul, MD was 100% correct when he stated that he didn't need a mRNA vaccine to protect others, although it would still boost his largely blood-bourne IgG anti-bodies.
The difference between you and I is that you make UN-verified statements.
I continually WAIT for verification on everything I post ... and from authorities.
You stated the same smallpox/polio dribble that wasn't even accurate, let alone applicable from the get-go, were proven wrong, and from then on ... you hated on me.
You are the biggest, continual, unrelenting asshole in this thread because of how you treat everyone you think even disagrees with you, and then you paint them however you want, regardless of what they actually say. You stay things about me I never said or even elluded to!
You have done that to dozens of people who will no longer post because of you. What annoys you most is that I keep posting information that continually breaks all your assumptions. I admit I'm 'adamant' at times, but at least I'm not insulting everyone like you, and your cabal of a few others, who do.
Hearsay is all you've been spewing from the get-go. You never offer facts or authorities, and you would constantly say I 'cherry pick' when I actually posted authorities, regulatory agencies, etc... versus US Media article.
Even major European countries are confirming what I've been saying for months now! Even if the US Media won't.
You say this all over, and then list all sorts of things that I've never said.
Yes, because you literally cannot understand how 'the subject' is dozens of variables with dozens of values. Anything that crosses more than 2-3 things ... let alone 200-300 ... is utterly confusing to you. That's why you say you 'don't understand what I'm for,' because to you, it's 2 or maybe 3 positions.
So you put me into the 'against you' box, and it's all over.
You've done that to dozens of people in this thread.
And then you destroy them, like the total asshole you are.
No, I want Pharma to actually do R&D and spend money on domestic research. I'm hardly the only person who is being critical. We continue to have not only vaccine shortages because of Pharma, but utter lack of R&D.
We should have already had a real SARS-CoV vaccine over the last 15 years, and that would have likely done far more than mRNA vaccines.
Even Pfizer has been getting major backlash over literally re-issuing its 2020Q2 'Vaccine' as the new 2021Q3 'Booster.' 15 months, $0 in R&D, after spending minimal money. That's what you should be demanding too!
Please. I'm a vaccine schedule critic ... and I'm not alone. The US NIH has been for awhile too, and the US FDA is even yanking and replacing some of the vaccines you've even had too.
Detailed Knowledge != Conspiracy Theory
I'm not a MD. I just read a lot of MDs -- expert MDs -- who are pissed at the messaging by now. Even Dr. Fauci has been wrongly demonized for most things (the Gain of Function critcism is valid though).
When did I EVER recommend again the elderly getting a mRNA vaccine?! WHEN?! And once the EUA opened up fully, I got my shot too ... first available. Signed up for Pfizer, but the J&J became available, and my wife already had it, because it was the first available to her. I waited for the US NIH to actually have data!
You have been spewing Data-Free non-sense and theories that have no basis.
Of anyone in this thread, it applies to you more than anyone.
But the '3rd grader' argument I make isn't that people are 3rd graders. It's that they are making statements from the US Media that are 3rd grade-level. People really should not trust the US Media at all. They even mis-represent what MDs and researchers and virologists are saying.
When did I say I would not get the Booster once the US NIH studies are complete? WHEN?!
Stop guilting people for waiting for data. You have been spewing UN-verified information from Day 1, and have been wrong many times. Especially since mRNA vaccines are doing jack against the spread, and kids don't need mRNA vaccines to prevent spread at all, far from it!
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5 months or less? They started counting in December 2019. In just 2020: Heart Disease killed 690,000 Cancer killed 599,000 COVID killed 345,000 unvaxed. And unintentional injuries killed 192,000 (the size of Tallahassee) just to put it in perspective. Just stop advocating death. Silly...
ucf.forums.rivals.com
Are you guys serious? Now I know you're haven't read single NIH or other study! Wow, talk about undermining your own credibility! This is 101 in medical.
First 4 search hits...
Difference Between Infection and Disease (with Comparison Chart) - Bio Differences
Infection serves the closest way through which the microorganisms can cause disease and gradually when this infection starts weakening the immune system, and harm the body for a long or short term is called disease.biodifferences.com
Infection vs. Disease: What’s the Difference?
An infection occurs when harmful microorganisms invade a host, while a disease manifests as clinical symptoms and signs in the body.www.difference.wiki
Disease vs. Infection | Overview, Differences & Examples - Lesson | Study.com
Learn to define what an infection is and what disease is. Find the difference between infection and disease. Learn how infectious diseases are...study.com
Difference Between Infection and Disease | Compare the Difference Between Similar Terms
Infection vs Disease Infection and Disease are two words that are often confused as one and the same. In fact these two medical terms are different in theiwww.differencebetween.com
I'll quote the first paragraph in the last...
'Infection and Disease are two words that are often confused as one and the same. In fact these two medical terms are different in their meanings. Infection is understood in the sense of contamination. Contaminating air or water with harmful organisms is said to cause infection. Infection affects a person with disease.'
You guys keep interchanging words and numbers and literally undermine yourselves, because you have comprehension issues with studies and everything else. You literally don't care to be educated with 101 terminology. @Knight2000 is just as bad at times.
Oh look, you guys continue to be wrong, but never admit it. At the same time, you continue to be the biggest assholes to everyone who doesn't bow down and agree with you.
I'm only trying to educate, NOT 'win an argument' or 'bash people into submission.'
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TL;DR. No way that I’m reading all this babbling 😂😂😂 We already explained why there are “only” 2 known people who got sick or died from the board, but you’re too fukcing stupid and ignorant to read why and comprehend itYes, the ones you make up, but I don't actually state, or ones that you state, but literally are nothing I've ever said. Hence ...
Case-in-point ...Because all you do is argue with me, not any detail ... if I'm not 'with' you on everything from the get-go, I'm 'against' you on everything after that ... regardless of what I say.
Did you not read anything I've posted prior?
It's 100% effective at not stopping the pandemic, that's something you refuse to admit, now that enough doctors are even saying that the early 2021 mRNA vaccine data proved this by May-June. Delta just amplified it.
The spread is not significantly reduced by IgG preominate mRNA vaccines, and nothing will until we have a mass of people sporting a more natural immunity of IgM, IgG and, most of all, IgA antibodies in the upper respiratory tract too.
That's why kids, as well as people who recover, spread it far, far less than the mRNA vaccinated. It's why Dr. Rand Paul, MD was 100% correct when he stated that he didn't need a mRNA vaccine to protect others, although it would still boost his largely blood-bourne IgG anti-bodies.
The difference between you and I is that you make UN-verified statements.
I continually WAIT for verification on everything I post ... and from authorities.
You stated the same smallpox/polio dribble that wasn't even accurate, let alone applicable from the get-go, were proven wrong, and from then on ... you hated on me.
You are the biggest, continual, unrelenting asshole in this thread because of how you treat everyone you think even disagrees with you, and then you paint them however you want, regardless of what they actually say. You stay things about me I never said or even elluded to!
You have done that to dozens of people who will no longer post because of you. What annoys you most is that I keep posting information that continually breaks all your assumptions. I admit I'm 'adamant' at times, but at least I'm not insulting everyone like you, and your cabal of a few others, who do.
Hearsay is all you've been spewing from the get-go. You never offer facts or authorities, and you would constantly say I 'cherry pick' when I actually posted authorities, regulatory agencies, etc... versus US Media article.
Even major European countries are confirming what I've been saying for months now! Even if the US Media won't.
You say this all over, and then list all sorts of things that I've never said.
Yes, because you literally cannot understand how 'the subject' is dozens of variables with dozens of values. Anything that crosses more than 2-3 things ... let alone 200-300 ... is utterly confusing to you. That's why you say you 'don't understand what I'm for,' because to you, it's 2 or maybe 3 positions.
So you put me into the 'against you' box, and it's all over.
You've done that to dozens of people in this thread.
And then you destroy them, like the total asshole you are.
No, I want Pharma to actually do R&D and spend money on domestic research. I'm hardly the only person who is being critical. We continue to have not only vaccine shortages because of Pharma, but utter lack of R&D.
We should have already had a real SARS-CoV vaccine over the last 15 years, and that would have likely done far more than mRNA vaccines.
Even Pfizer has been getting major backlash over literally re-issuing its 2020Q2 'Vaccine' as the new 2021Q3 'Booster.' 15 months, $0 in R&D, after spending minimal money. That's what you should be demanding too!
And you're the one that has looked like an idiot, not me, repeatedly, my latest favorite being this one, utterly destroying any credibility you might have had left with anyone ...Please. I'm a vaccine schedule critic ... and I'm not alone. The US NIH has been for awhile too, and the US FDA is even yanking and replacing some of the vaccines you've even had too.
Detailed Knowledge != Conspiracy Theory
I'm not a MD. I just read a lot of MDs -- expert MDs -- who are pissed at the messaging by now. Even Dr. Fauci has been wrongly demonized for most things (the Gain of Function critcism is valid though).
When did I EVER recommend again the elderly getting a mRNA vaccine?! WHEN?! And once the EUA opened up fully, I got my shot too ... first available. Signed up for Pfizer, but the J&J became available, and my wife already had it, because it was the first available to her. I waited for the US NIH to actually have data!
You have been spewing Data-Free non-sense and theories that have no basis.
Of anyone in this thread, it applies to you more than anyone.
But the '3rd grader' argument I make isn't that people are 3rd graders. It's that they are making statements from the US Media that are 3rd grade-level. People really should not trust the US Media at all. They even mis-represent what MDs and researchers and virologists are saying.
When did I say I would not get the Booster once the US NIH studies are complete? WHEN?!
Stop guilting people for waiting for data. You have been spewing UN-verified information from Day 1, and have been wrong many times. Especially since mRNA vaccines are doing jack against the spread, and kids don't need mRNA vaccines to prevent spread at all, far from it!
Nm
5 months or less? They started counting in December 2019. In just 2020: Heart Disease killed 690,000 Cancer killed 599,000 COVID killed 345,000 unvaxed. And unintentional injuries killed 192,000 (the size of Tallahassee) just to put it in perspective. Just stop advocating death. Silly...
Take your medicine and learn how to make concise posts from concise and focused thoughts. Otherwise you will be a fat, moronic, unemployed, underachiever for the rest of your life. What a waste. Nobody ever reads your 3rd grade babble. Half of the Dungeon has you on ignore. What does that tell you asshole?
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Illegal fabrication is best done outside the US, and sneaking them in is usually successful.
I put Spoilers in for a reason.
But you reacted how I thought.
You read nothing.
Everything else is about things I never said.
Because you keep thinking I'm an anti-vaxxer.
This is the type of behavior people engage in before they shoot up a school or blow up a building. This crazy sum bitch is on the verge...
Then you are an anti-big Pharma and/or anti-government conspiracy theorist.
Nobody can get anything useful out of your posts, because you are literally incapable of communicating in a concise manner. You fail to see it.
No useful point is being made to be used in real world situations, your stance is the above or appears to be, you flip-flop constantly and then ignore what you were wrong about, then you tell everybody how you were right all along and we are all “3rd graders.” You read Google articles and interpret them in your own perverse manner as being factual and try to confuse or convince the uninformed or uneducated
What a piece of shit. Just try not to kill too many people. “Not a good look for you.”
No., it means that 75% are dumb, have a death wish, and are going to be unemployed soon. Fortunately, that number is BS
That’s because 20% of this world are total shitbags and some of them work in the media and think their job is to highlight the rest of the shitbags.
You say that, not realizing ... some people do report others.
Seriously ... you're crossing a line at this point, and you don't realize it.
I.e., if any authorities show up at my door, you might have put @Brandon into a pickle.
I know it's the Cooler, but don't cross lines that might become legal issues.
Make fun of me all you want, but don't start making statements that become legal liabilities for others.
He's not only vaccinated ...
He received the 3rd shot Booster, and ...
He's asymptomatic.
Again, virtually all of us are walking around asymptomatic at this point.
It's really about what levels we would test at.
The US Media talking heads are saying he cannot protect himself.
No, he's doing exactly that, and is leading by example.
People are free to mask and socially distance ... they are just not mandated to under criminal threat.
Have you been diagnosed as a Manic-depressant? You just were spewing like crazy in the Dungeon and now on here. You’re mentally unstable. That’s why you can’t hold down a steady job for an extended period of time
This actually happened in the UK. For the longest time they did not approve of the J&J vaccine for their vaccine passports. Finally the NHS stepped in, because the J&J was actually in trials in the UK at the time, and some people given placebos (they later found out) during the AstraZeneca trial, had the option to receive the J&J (while during trials, since it was approved most everywhere else).
Vaccines are good, but until we quit importing 15 to 30k covid positive people at southern border every month, then sticking them in detention centers with non positive people, then putting them on busses, trains, or planes and sending them all over the country. There is no getting this under control.
Not really.
72% are fully vaccinated and 59% of hospitalized are vaccinated.
It looks like they are seeing that two doses only protects you about 50% against hospitalization (1.78:1.00) when you adjust for % vaccinated people. Would have been useful to see the % for deaths (I saw it went from 1-2/day to 20/day in 2 weeks but no breakdown between vax/no-vax)
some people in the US will be taking booster shots for the foreseeable future while raising their clenched fist at chuds, minorities and young people. Meanwhile they don't see this isn't something you can fix. No different when people were yelling for lockdowns early on, and we saw that didn't effectively work. Then we moved on to mask mandates, that didn't work either. Now we're in the "take a shot or you get fired from work" stage of the madness.
Sometimes you just gotta live with the consequences, build better therapeutics because a truly effective vaccine is probably years away. I remember when people called this a medical "miracle"
To be clear, like those remediation steps above, the vaccine helps. The questions are for how long and how about future mutations? Meanwhile the libs just keep yelling at people and paying tik tok stars.
No, I don't think you understand. If you accuse people of being 'violent nature' or about to be 'going postal,' even if joking, Rival's lawyers may interfere, out of sheer liability. That's why we have 'lines' we don't cross.
This happens on social media a lot.
Now if your ultimate, selfish goal is to get me banned, understand that you may be banned with me by Rivals. That might seem funny, but it's going to backfire on you. That's why I said, don't make this an issue for @Brandon.
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Yes, but it's also 'expectation setting.'
Israel's population is 1/3rd of Florida's, yet they are hitting 1,000 cases a day, and hospitalization rates continue to climb.
I'm really glad people are 'finally getting it.' I'm surprised by how many people on both the left and right don't. At least the right aren't as drunk with power as the left.
Remember when we were promised that lockdowns wouldn't last because they only need 2 weeks, and if they don't work in 4 weeks, then they won't work at all?
