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[UCFBS]

Some of the clinicians in the field are already reporting ADE like disease progression. Is there smoke here, or just jumping to conclusions? Dunno and don't plan on finding out

I don't know. I honestly don't.

But I do think we need to stop giving people a 3rd Booster that is based on a, now, original/minor variant that was synthesized 18 months ago. mRNA vaccines are supposed to be updated for the current threat, not one well back.

If it's someone's 1st set of shots, that's debatable. But this 2nd shot re-sold as a 'Booster'?! I'm a major skeptic, and I'm not alone ... Pfizer's CEO was chastized by the medical community for 'marketing' in July for that reason.

Wait for an actual Booster based on synthesis against the Delta variant, or whatever predominate. Either that or consider starting to giving people 'payloadless' Adenoviruses that help build up T-cells. Of course that means those Adenoviruses are useless as a 'vector' in the future for 'payloads.'

Some have been questioning this about influenza vaccine for awhile, given they only get it right 1 out of 5 or 6 times the last 3 years (prior to SARS-CoV-2). And those aren't even mRNA technology, and the influenza B/C variant mRNA trials weren't good.

This is one case where I'm not a doc, and I just don't know. I only tried to 'reset expectations' because the people of this country were continually lied to by politicians and the US Media, and doctors and researchers were supressed.

This is exactly why 'alternative viewpoints' from experts must NOT be censored in a free society of open debate, because it's NOT 'misinformation.' This isn't politics, it's fact, it's life, it's death.

Spoiler: Why I'm such a 'hard ass'

In all seriousness, the reason I have a 'chip on my shoulder' is because that's what did for HP and Red Hat. I'd come in as the post-sales, implementation architect and/or engineer, and tell them what they were sold that was misleading or even flat-out incorrect. That's why I cannot stand politicians and people who defend them or say 'Science!' when it's not, and actually 'narrative.'

I hate sales, but even more so, marketing, and as Dilbert used to say, or illustrate ...

 

[UCFBS]

Dude, I'm just hoping whatever booster schedule comes out can hold up and doesn't cause harm. I sure hope the 2nd gen stuff can come along more quickly.

BTW, on your next jab, consider asking the tech to aspirate the needle. You DO NOT want the jab being injected into a vein and have the payload get into the bloodstream. It's meant to stay in the arm muscle. I think this is contributing to all the clotting, etc.

And shoulder injuries, which are rather serious, people don't realize.
It's 2/3rds of all vaccine lawsuits to date.

 

[Crazyhole]

In all seriousness ...

The more Pfizer keeps pimping a spike protein for a 18 month old synthesized virus that is no longer dominate, the more risk we have if ADE is really a major concern.

They need to update the shots, before pimping Boosters. I'm not taking a stand either way, but the US NIH and several others were very negative in July on Pfizer pimping a 2nd 2nd shot (aka 3rd shot Booster) as the solution.

I'm just hoping the T-cell generation of the Ad vectors are helping as good as some claim. We honestly don't know at this point what the schedule and use are.

But mRNA vaccines only work well, or at least best, if they are updated for the actual, dominate variants! That was the original promise of mRNA! But I give you US Pharma!

Why would the Adenovirus vaccines be any better? They still only present the one protein that comes from covid, so not much different than the mRNA vaccines in practice.

 

[Ucfmikes]

BTW, on your next jab, consider asking the tech to aspirate the needle. You DO NOT want the jab being injected into a vein and have the payload get into the bloodstream. It's meant to stay in the arm muscle. I think this is contributing to all the clotting, etc.

Are you being serious? 😂

 

[Ucfmikes]

And shoulder injuries, which are rather serious, people don't realize.
It's 2/3rds of all vaccine lawsuits to date.

Hahahahaha 😂😂😂. It’s so freaking obvious that you guys aren’t in the medical field

 

[Crazyhole]

Are you being serious? 😂

Which part of that are you taking exception to?

 

[Ucfmikes]

Which part of that are you taking exception to?

Show those 2 posts to a physician, but just not while they are drinking or have food in their mouths and then get back to me. That’s why I call you some of you shit for brains who 90% of the time it’s not worth even trying to have a conversation with.

 

[Crazyhole]

Show those 2 posts to a physician, but just not while they are drinking or have food in their mouths and then get back to me. That’s why I call you all a bunch of shit for brains who 90% of the time it’s not worth even trying to have a conversation with

If you know what doctors would say about it then why not just share it? If the vaccine is intended to be injected into the muscle as opposed to into the bloodstream directly, it makes sense. It's not like this is an unusual practice, so what are you taking exception to? The blood clotting part? Are you assuming the nurse is already smart enough to do it and it's insulting for a patient to ask them to do it? I'm honestly curious, because you act like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Ucfmikes]

If you know what doctors would say about it then why not just share it? If the vaccine is intended to be injected into the muscle as opposed to into the bloodstream directly, it makes sense. It's not like this is an unusual practice, so what are you taking exception to? The blood clotting part? Are you assuming the nurse is already smart enough to do it and it's insulting for a patient to ask them to do it? I'm honestly curious, because you act like you know what you're talking about.

Just stop. Take a nap. You were up until 2:40 A.M. and moronic posts must be wearing your shit for brain out by now

 

[Crazyhole]

Just stop. Take a nap. You were up until 2:40 A.M. and moronic posts must be wearing your shit for brain out by now

You are proving yourself to be more full of shit than anybody on this board by not being capable of answering a question that you claim to know the answer to.

 

[Ucfmikes]

You are proving yourself to be more full of shit than anybody on this board by not being capable of answering a question that you claim to know the answer to.

Dude. I already told you that I’m not going to explain basic medical facts and other simple crap to some unemployed moron that probably hasn’t even completed high school. Totally a waste of time. You’re a fukcing waste of a life, loser, who posts 24/7 because you have no life and crave attention. I worked 10 hours today educating people who have more learning ability that the amoeba that you are, so I’m not going to waste my time on the mentally ill and unstable that is you

I’ll answer the question and you’ll come up with some imbecilic response that will
go back and forth for hours, because you don’t get it and crave attention. Totally a waste of time. You’re obsessed with the WC. It’s like a sickness

 

[Crazyhole]

Dude. I already told you that I’m not going to explain basic medical facts and other simple crap to some unemployed moron that probably hasn’t even completed high school. Totally a waste of time. You’re a fukcing waste of a life, loser, who posts 24/7 because you have no life and crave attention. I worked 10 hours today educating people who have more learning ability that the amoeba that you are, so I’m not going to waste my time on the mentally ill and unstable that is you

You're full of crap. Can't even say something as simple as "there are no arteries in muscles" just to prove that you have some slight idea of what you're talking about.

 

[Ucfmikes]

You're full of crap. Can't even say something as simple as "there are no arteries in muscles" just to prove that you have some slight idea of what you're talking about.

Again, at this point is so freaking basic that I’m purposely not going to answer you to prove that your life centers around the WC and your incessant craving for attention. Go ask a physician

 

[Ucfmikes]

What in the world has you this unhinged? It's not healthy

Because you morons are so fukcing stupid and you are too stupid to see it

 

[Crazyhole]

What in the world has you this unhinged? It's not healthy

It really is bizarre at this point. Everybody is a moron to him, he obsesses over jerk-off memes, and can never answer or respond to a question that he claims to be in possession of an answer.

 

[Ucfmikes]

It really is bizarre at this point. Everybody is a moron to him, he obsesses over jerk-off memes, and can never answer or respond to a question that he claims to be in possession of an answer.

Look it up if you need an answer. The problem is you’re too ignorant to even be able to ask what question that you want answered.

 

[Ucfmikes]

he obsesses over jerk-off memes

No.. you and your BFF are the ones jerking off after each other’s posts

 

[Crazyhole]

Look it up if you need an answer. The problem is you’re too ignorant to even be able to ask what question that you want answered.

Exactly. You know precisely jack-shit.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Rare photo of Melvin and Corky together.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Exactly. You know precisely jack-shit.

You know Jack Shit. Try leaving your mothers basement and asking your BS clarification questions to a physician and show them the moronic posts by our 2 COVID experts and get back to us after one laughs at you. They totally showed their hand and ignorance with those vaccine administration comments. They don’t know shit

 

[Crazyhole]

You know Jack Shit. Try leaving your mothers basement and asking your BS clarification questions to a physician and show them the moron posts by our 2 COVID experts and get back to us after one laughs at you. They totally showed their hand and ignorance with those vaccine administration comments. They don’t know shit

Lol. I bill out at 110 bucks an hour, so it's not like I have to put in a 10 hour day like the janitor that you are. You have never researched and have never produced a single answer to any question that has been posed on this board. You're a 12 year old inside an adults body that's still pissed that his dad left and lashes out at anybody he knows won't spank his ass with a belt in real life like papa used to do.

Grow up and get some help

 

[Ucfmikes]

Lol. I bill out at 110 bucks an hour, so it's not like I have to put in a 10 hour day like the janitor that you are. You have never researched and have never produced a single answer to any question that has been posed on this board. You're a 12 year old inside an adults body that's still pissed that his dad left and lashes out at anybody he knows won't spank his ass with a belt in real life like papa used to do.

Grow up and get some help

You get help. You’re obsessed with the WC and have no life. You’re suicidal. Time to leave your mothers basement. You’re a pathetic excuse for a human and need to question your existence and purpose in life

 

[Crazyhole]

Here comes the unhinged posts again.

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So how about that ADE thats gonna kill everyone that's been vaccinated with the Pfizer shot. Wild, huh?

 

[Ucfmikes]

Lol. I bill out at 110 bucks an hour, so it's not like I have to put in a 10 hour day like the janitor that you are. You have never researched and have never produced a single answer to any question that has been posed on this board. You're a 12 year old inside an adults body that's still pissed that his dad left and lashes out at anybody he knows won't spank his ass with a belt in real life like papa used to do.

Grow up and get some help

Here comes the unhinged posts again.

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I’m telling you. These 2 are lovers

 

[Crazyhole]

You get help. You’re obsessed with the WC and have no life. Time to leave your mothers basement. You’re a pathetic excuse for a human and need to question your existence and purpose in life

I did get help. Now I can deal with shitstains like you with a smile on my face because I know that you're a mongoloid that has absolutely no expertise in anything and relegates their existence to being a keyboard warrior. By all means, keep throwing out the 12 year old insults. It's good for you.

 

[Ucfmikes]

I did get help. Now I can deal with shitstains like you with a smile on my face because I know that you're a mongoloid that has absolutely no expertise in anything and relegates their existence to being a keyboard warrior. By all means, keep throwing out the 12 year old insults. It's good for you.

Dude.., you are an unemployed loser. You don’t work, because you can’t handle life. You’re pathetic. You have make believe friends and live in a WC fantasyland because you can’t handle in person, real life interactions. You hide behind a computer and jerk off to your buddy’s post, because you haven’t got laid in 3 years

 

[Crazyhole]

Dude.., you are an unemployed loser. You don’t work, because you can’t handle life. You’re pathetic. You have make believe friends and live in a WC fantasyland because you can’t handle in person, real life interactions. You hide behind a computer and jerk off to your buddy’s post, because you haven’t got laid in 3 years

Keep it coming. You're really impressive today. Dad would be proud if he saw this.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Keep it coming. You're really impressive today. Dad would be proud if he saw this.

You’re just bigly mad because I’ve painted you exactly. You need to take a break from the WC. It’s consuming you. You’re obsessed

 

[Crazyhole]

You’re just bigly mad because I’ve painted you exactly. You need to take a break from the WC. It’s consuming you. You’re obsessed

Lol. You have so nailed me it's unbelievable. I cant believe I didn't see it before.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Lol. You have so nailed me it's unbelievable. I cant believe I didn't see it before.

You’re obsessed with the WC. You are incapable of taking a break. You think about it every waking minute of your life now for YEARS

 

[Boston.Knight]

I'm just hoping the T-cell generation of the Ad vectors are helping as good as some claim.

They do seem to be holding up so far, which is great. But there is a fade with the antibodies. They claim 6% a month, but it's probably more like 15%. More fade, more reliance on another line of defense that could fail. Not really great breadth with the 1st gen t-cells. The 2nd gen stuff will have at least one additional protein.

we need to stop giving people a 3rd Booster

The most vulnerable definitely need a boost of whatever is available. A lot of the elderly are running on fumes.

I would prefer to used the repurposed rx as a bridge to the delta variant specific update, but likely we will boost with whatever is available unless it's coming Nov, maybe early Dec

 

[UCFBS]

I would prefer to used the repurposed rx as a bridge to the delta variant specific update, but likely we will boost with whatever is available unless it's coming Nov, maybe early Dec

I'm waiting on a new synthesis, not marketing. Some of the medical community has been very critical, and for good reason.

The promise of mRNA was not to keep issuing the original over and over.

 

[UCFBS]

Why would the Adenovirus vaccines be any better?

It's not, but it lasts longer. How much longer we should know more soon. The South African results were quite eye opening too, as they tested much, much, much later.

They still only present the one protein that comes from covid, so not much different than the mRNA vaccines in practice.

Correct, same result.

Although T-cell counts are different. One of the advantages is the Ad vector that contributes to T-cell creation.

Of course, that's related to its disadvantage, some people already have an immunity to the Ad vector itself, and get little spike protein creation and IgG antibodies.

That's why we need a test to see which vector is better for each individual.

 

[Crazyhole]

It's not, but it lasts longer. How much longer we should know more soon. The South African results were quite eye opening too, as they tested much, much, much later.


Correct, same result.

Although T-cell counts are different. One of the advantages is the Ad vector that contributes to T-cell creation.

Of course, that's related to its disadvantage, some people already have an immunity to the Ad vector itself, and get little spike protein creation and IgG antibodies.

That's why we need a test to see which vector is better for each individual.

I still think that the NovaVax one will be the way to go, even if the chuds on this site think that's stupid.

 

[Crazyhole]

BTW Crazyhole. My household has covid now with my kids. One of mine has a low grade fever and sniffles. The other one had sniffles and some stomach issues this morning.

See how tomorrow goes. Regardless of a future negative test, the earliest can get them back is next Monday to school.

The fever and chills are really annoying, but for me the GI issues were the worst part of it. Also, hopefully your kids don't have the sleeping issue that I've had. Always tired and never feel rested, and can only sleep for about 3 hours at a shot.

 

[Ucfmikes]

They will have to check with MSM to know. Don't bother them with scientific research and studies.

BTW Crazyhole. My household has covid now with my kids. One of mine has a low grade fever and sniffles. The other one had sniffles and some stomach issues this morning.

See how tomorrow goes. Regardless of a future negative test, the earliest can get them back is next Monday to school.

The fever and chills are really annoying, but for me the GI issues were the worst part of it. Also, hopefully your kids don't have the sleeping issue that I've had. Always tired and never feel rested, and can only sleep for about 3 hours at a shot.

 

[sk8knight]

So how about that ADE thats gonna kill everyone that's been vaccinated with the Pfizer shot. Wild, huh?

At this point, ADE from mRNA vaccines is largely anecdotal and not supported by statistical cases. It also doesn’t really make sense that we’d see ADE from mRNA vaccines. So you might want to pull the caution flag on that angle.

 

[Crazyhole]

At this point, ADE from mRNA vaccines is largely anecdotal and not supported by statistical cases. It also doesn’t really make sense that we’d see ADE from mRNA vaccines. So you might want to pull the caution flag on that angle.

I thought that all we paid attention to was anecdotal evidence now. Isn't that why the stories of the 90 year old guy on his death bed with covid begging to get vaccinated but the nurse tearfully says 'it's too late' is the headline now?

 

[UCFBS]

I still think that the NovaVax one will be the way to go, even if the chuds on this site think that's stupid.

They will have to check with MSM to know. Don't bother them with scientific research and studies.

NovaVax is still a spike protein solution, but instead of the direct vector and the Adenovirus vector to creating the spike protein, it is premade using moth and tree bark. It's reduced impacts and complications in trials, and uses no PEG either. The efficacy against variants seems to be better. But it's neither a live, attenuated nor inactive virus, so... I'll wait to see it before I pass judgment. I think they also pushed back their FDA EUA submission to Q4 as well.

At this point, ADE from mRNA vaccines is largely anecdotal and not supported by statistical cases. It also doesn’t really make sense that we’d see ADE from mRNA vaccines. So you might want to pull the caution flag on that angle.

I thought that all we paid attention to was anecdotal evidence now. Isn't that why the stories of the 90 year old guy on his death bed with covid begging to get vaccinated but the nurse tearfully says 'it's too late' is the headline now?

Indeed, everything has almost always been anecdotal, and even trials are still many, many orders of magnitude below mass dissemination.

The only plausible ADE I have listened to is that by continuing to push an the spike protein for the old, original, synthesized SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 variant, we're probably not helping, and we could be irresponsibility hurting. That's why many have been questioning why we don't wait.

So I think the approach to only limit the '2nd 2nd shot' to the immunocompromised was a good one.

 

[Ucfmikes]

So I think the approach to only limit the '2nd 2nd shot' to the immunocompromised was a good one.

Once again, you put your own twist on vaccines and make stuff up. Just like you said that mRNA vaccines would not get FDA approval, the “3rd shot” is going to be recommended for everyone in September and it has nothing to do with ADE or the original variant. And yes, I’m posting at 2:30 A.M. because I’m actually on-call working.