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Once again, you put your own twist on vaccines and make stuff up. Just like you said that mRNA vaccines would not get FDA approval, the “3rd shot” is going to be recommended for everyone in September and it has nothing to do with ADE or the original variant. And yes, I’m posting at 2:30 A.M. because I’m actually on-call working.
Why should anyone care what time of day it is when you post?
 
Pro-tip. If someone on your twitter feed is sharing stories from RT, might want to curate your feed a little better. This is exactly how foreign are able to influence the American public.
It refers to a WAPO article. I fail to see the problem here.
 
Who is dumb enough to be posting RT garbage? It's literal and actual Russian state propaganda, delivered in English with the sole purpose of weaponizing right wing morons in America to create further divisiveness here.
 
Pro-tip. If someone on your twitter feed is sharing stories from RT, might want to curate your feed a little better. This is exactly how foreign are able to influence the American public.
The irony of this statement is the reality how much investment and control the CCP has over our media conglomerates and what they show and don’t show.
 
It’s not ironic at all RT is a Russian state media source.
Yeah, a stunningly obvious statement. The irony is that someone thinks they can curate their feed and feeling that “legitimate” news outlets aren’t tainted by our enemies while the overwhelming majority of what we watch/read is subtly influenced by CCP interests. Or Bezos.
 
Who is dumb enough to be posting RT garbage? It's literal and actual Russian state propaganda, delivered in English with the sole purpose of weaponizing right wing morons in America to create further divisiveness here.
Based on what we've seen here, it's working.
 
Yeah, a stunningly obvious statement. The irony is that someone thinks they can curate their feed and feeling that “legitimate” news outlets aren’t tainted by our enemies while the overwhelming majority of what we watch/read is subtly influenced by CCP interests. Or Bezos.
Instead, we could all be not-so-subtly influenced by Donald Trump!
 
Yeah, a stunningly obvious statement. The irony is that someone thinks they can curate their feed and feeling that “legitimate” news outlets aren’t tainted by our enemies while the overwhelming majority of what we watch/read is subtly influenced by CCP interests. Or Bezos.
Oh yea it's absolutely hard to sort stuff out - I agree with you. But RT is low hanging fruit. Does anyone here think RT's objective is anything other than influencing US citizens in whatever direction the Kremlin thinks is best for their own interests?

I bet 95% of people on social media reading RT stories have no idea it's Russian state media. If you ctrl+F on their home page for "Russia Today" you get zero hits. The Word "Russia" only appears in list context like "USA | UK | Russia".

Isn't this something we should all agree on? Argue about FOX and CNN - but agree on RT.
 
Once again, you put your own twist on vaccines and make stuff up. Just like you said that mRNA vaccines would not get FDA approval,
Can you stop with the total 3rd grader non-sense of things I never said?!

the “3rd shot” is going to be recommended for everyone in September
Did you read the US NIH and other recommendations?! They chastized Pfizer and its CEO for 'marketing' in July, and for good reason.

and it has nothing to do with ADE or the original variant.
I never said ADE was a factor.

I only CLARIFIED that for ADE to be factor is IF AND ONLY IF the spike proteins for the original Wuhan-1 end up being a 'trojan horse' for Delta, Lamba and other variants. I explicit said there was NO PROOF either way, and I fully STATED that!

Will you stop laying down total crap that I never said! Did you ever learn to read?!

Furthermore, as I and the US NIH and others just pointed out, it was IRRESPONSIBLE for Pfizer to be pushing Wuhan-1 synthesis 18 months later, when the whole purpose for mRNA is to ACTUALLY UPDATE the vaccine!

Do you run Windows XP at home?!
Or better yet ... would you buy a PC with Windows XP today?!

Same Concept!

Or do you run an unpatched Linux kernel from 3 years ago in your router?! (many do, and don't know it).
Again, same concept! Geez you are a total 3rd grader!

And yes, I’m posting at 2:30 A.M. because I’m actually on-call working.
Oh, but when I'm working at 0230 on an outage at a $147B bank, I'm an idiot. Geez, you guys are the biggest hypocrites on the board.
 
Can you stop with the total 3rd grader non-sense of things I never said?!


Did you read the US NIH and other recommendations?! They chastized Pfizer and its CEO for 'marketing' in July, and for good reason.


I never said ADE was a factor.

I only CLARIFIED that for ADE to be factor is IF AND ONLY IF the spike proteins for the original Wuhan-1 end up being a 'trojan horse' for Delta, Lamba and other variants. I explicit said there was NO PROOF either way, and I fully STATED that!

Will you stop laying down total crap that I never said! Did you ever learn to read?!

Furthermore, as I and the US NIH and others just pointed out, it was IRRESPONSIBLE for Pfizer to be pushing Wuhan-1 synthesis 18 months later, when the whole purpose for mRNA is to ACTUALLY UPDATE the vaccine!

Do you run Windows XP at home?!
Or better yet ... would you buy a PC with Windows XP today?!

Same Concept!

Or do you run an unpatched Linux kernel from 3 years ago in your router?! (many do, and don't know it).
Again, same concept! Geez you are a total 3rd grader!


Oh, but when I'm working at 0230 on an outage at a $147B bank, I'm an idiot. Geez, you guys are the biggest hypocrites on the board.
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I’ll wait until the 3rd shot is approved. Then make you look stupid. So.. why did the NIH not recommend it in July?? Muy because of any reason other that that it’s too soon and because immunocompromised patients should get it first. Stop being a damn fat fukc big-Pharma conspiracy theorist

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Israel is saying boosters every 6 months.
Israel is also saying every 6 months doesn't have good results too. People keep missing that.

At the same time, Japan is saying that multiple booster shots increases the likelihood of ADE.
While there's NO proof of that, as I said ... IF ADE is a factor, it's not going to be helped by giving a spike protein based on Wuhan-1 when Delta is predominate, and possibly the mRNA vaccines based on such an old synthesis may be a 'trojan horse.'

If that ends up being the case, a lot of blind pro-vaxxers are going to look stupid by 'putting the cart before the [trojan] horse.' ;)
What a clusterfvck
Scary. Hopefully something else comes out soon
This is why I said we literally don't know jack ... from the get-go!

Where do we 'wait'?
How do we know we're not 'making things worse'?
What 'really works'?

The 1 thing I do know is that Pfizer has been getting 'beat up' since July for marketing a Wuhan-1 synthesis right now ... at least Moderna has NOT done that.
I'm all the US FDA giving EUA for an updated mRNA vaccine that generates a spike protein based on the Delta and/or Lamba variants ASAP.
 
Israel is also saying every 6 months doesn't have good results too. People keep missing that.


While there's NO proof of that, as I said ... IF ADE is a factor, it's not going to be helped by giving a spike protein based on Wuhan-1 when Delta is predominate, and possibly the mRNA vaccines based on such an old synthesis may be a 'trojan horse.'

If that ends up being the case, a lot of blind pro-vaxxers are going to look stupid by 'putting the cart before the [trojan] horse.' ;)


This is why I said we literally don't know jack ... from the get-go!

Where do we 'wait'?
How do we know we're not 'making things worse'?
What 'really works'?

The 1 thing I do know is that Pfizer has been getting 'beat up' since July for marketing a Wuhan-1 synthesis right now ... at least Moderna has NOT done that.
I'm all the US FDA giving EUA for an updated mRNA vaccine that generates a spike protein based on the Delta and/or Lamba variants ASAP.
 
Again ...

'in some cases non-infected individuals carried infection-enhancing antibodies, meaning that once they are infected or vaccinated the level of this type of antibody could increase.'

It doesn't really say the mRNA vaccines alone. I'm not saying mRNA vaccines don't make it worse, we just don't know. I'm just saying there's no proof of it being different than any standard infection-recovery of SARS-CoV-2.

But yes, we need more research. And it would be ideal of we get away from Wuhan-1 synthesis, as it's long become a minor player, let alone we've already been vaccinated against it. Many authorities are barking about that too.

Especially if it works against us in a 3rd shot.
 
Agreed. The goal posts are getting heavy moving them so far.
Bitch did u get vaccine....Will u turn to A lizard man ...No....so uhhh what is problem...Will your dick go limp...Uhmmm. so let me guess. But no this is bad because u honestly don't know anything and since it hasn't affected u You think your Family is immortal..Son...I don't think u understand how this world works
 
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Well it's FDA approved...Hmm
So, the currently existing Pfizer Biontech vaccine is not FDA approved. Comirnity is FDA approved. When I originally saw people saying there is a distinction I thought is was just people desperately writing off the approval. Then I saw Robert Malone say the same thing and he is usually thoughtful about the things he says.

You can see it in the Comirnity press release:

“The FDA-approved COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2.” https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full

Comirnity is not available yet. I can’t tell if they have to finish the trials before it can be released or not. Pfizer will be legally liable for that vaccine, so my conspiracy side thinks it will never actually be released. Either way, it’s a strange attempt by the FDA that they have to know will get out rather quickly.
 
So, the currently existing Pfizer Biontech vaccine is not FDA approved. Comirnity is FDA approved. When I originally saw people saying there is a distinction I thought is was just people desperately writing off the approval. Then I saw Robert Malone say the same thing and he is usually thoughtful about the things he says.

You can see it in the Comirnity press release:

“The FDA-approved COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series. An individual may be offered either COMIRNATY® (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) or the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by SARS-CoV-2.” https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full

Comirnity is not available yet. I can’t tell if they have to finish the trials before it can be released or not. Pfizer will be legally liable for that vaccine, so my conspiracy side thinks it will never actually be released. Either way, it’s a strange attempt by the FDA that they have to know will get out rather quickly.
Easy, Comirnity doesn't have the mind control chip
 
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its about the pattern we've witnessed over the past 18 months, not the minutiae of today's pissing match.

2 weeks to flatten the curve turned into, just need to shut down for a month, turned into "just another month", turned into "just until summer's over", turned into "well its Trumps fault anyway, we just need new leadership", turned into "don't trust Trumps vaccine", turned into a very shady and unprecedented election process, which turned into "take the vax if you want, its your decision".

then it all started to die down.

then like clockwork, as soon as life seemed like it was beginning to revert to a sense of normalcy in spite of the media doing their best to keep everyone divided, the boogeyman reappeared, "and its like 10x scarier you just have to believe me."

so now when its become "just need you to take this vaccine, we'll be done controlling you after that" millions of people are done believing there isn't another goalpost shift following immediately. hell, even a dog gets bored of playing with a toy that you put out of reach for them over and over.

and yeah, unfortunately the election plays into this doubt because the same flavor of communication that was used to stifle any discussion on the fraudulent election is being used to dismiss anyone saying "eh, i think i'll take my 99.9% chances" into a conspiracy theorist.

unlike most others, you're worth communicating this to. i don't suspect i'll change your mind, but maybe it'll inspire you to work on your own communication regarding the subject. maybe instead of "you're a fukcing murderous idiot if you don't take the vaccine immediately" you can say "personally i don't trust the administration either. the vaccine is an achievement of Donald J Trump's and the majority of the science i've researched indicates you have a greater chance of dying from covid than from taking the vaccine"

Very late to this thread. Serious question. Why don't you communicate like this regularly?
 
Very late to this thread. Serious question. Why don't you communicate like this regularly?
Many of us did from the get-go, especially when the lockdowns were extended.

But the pro-vax v. anti-vax narrative meant that the blabbers in this thread kept labeling us as anti-vaxxers, even though many of us got the first available, and were trying to 'change the narrative' and 'set realistic expectations.'

And we were just as useless as Democratic-Republicans in 1930s Germany as everyone said you either had to be a National Socialist or a Soviet Socialist, because capitalism had failed, and either the rich Jews, their property and their religion were to blame (National), or all religions and all private property (Soviet).

The throw sh-- at the wall, hope it sticks, then even lie about it when it doesn't, is why people aren't trusting anyone throwing any more. No one trusts the authorities, especially the vaccinated.

The unvaccinated were never the bigger issue, just the distraction, and now we're in the mess.
 


And then there's this.
Pfizer is about to knock off this guy.
Pfizer has been under immense scrutiny since July. Other than the immunocompromised, we don't know jack, and could make things worse.

And doctors in the US Media saying "It cannot hurt" are regularly questioned. That's why the 'data-free zone' is becoming 'the norm,' as WHO warned, after the US NIH did earlier.

Or as I often call it ... 'Do something!' mentality. Often the 'something done' ends up being even worse. Extended lockdowns were a perfect example. And when experts question, they are silenced.

We're still throwing crap at the wall, hoping it sticks, and even lying about it when it doesn't.
 
Pfizer has been under immense scrutiny since July. Other than the immunocompromised, we don't know jack, and could make things worse.
You’re a big Pharma max conspiracy theorist. The rest of us know that the vaccines decrease hospitalizations, serious illness and death with minimal side effects. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about
 
Pfizer has been under immense scrutiny since July. Other than the immunocompromised, we don't know jack, and could make things worse.

And doctors in the US Media saying "It cannot hurt" are regularly questioned. That's why the 'data-free zone' is becoming 'the norm,' as WHO warned, after the US NIH did earlier.

Or as I often call it ... 'Do something!' mentality. Often the 'something done' ends up being even worse. Extended lockdowns were a perfect example. And when experts question, they are silenced.

We're still throwing crap at the wall, hoping it sticks, and even lying about it when it doesn't.
It’s FDA approved, so you are WRONG!!!
 



Always late to the party.
Isn't this more experimental than the vaccines? For what I remember, you also have to be hooked to an IV drip for a few days (or for a few hours per day). Morons won't use it either because you have to believe that Covid is a serious illness.

BTW, Fauci, FDA and the Gov in general can't be early because they have to wait for the data and figure out if something works or not. They have been using this for a while (remember Trump?) but the problem was/is how to get the drug(s). Are they making enough now?
 
Isn't this more experimental than the vaccines?
Nope. Not any more experimental than Ivermectin or HCQ. They already exist, have existed, and been used.

The question is how they should be used and applied to SARS-CoV-2 disease.
 
Many of us did from the get-go, especially when the lockdowns were extended.

But the pro-vax v. anti-vax narrative meant that the blabbers in this thread kept labeling us as anti-vaxxers, even though many of us got the first available, and were trying to 'change the narrative' and 'set realistic expectations.'

And we were just as useless as Democratic-Republicans in 1930s Germany as everyone said you either had to be a National Socialist or a Soviet Socialist, because capitalism had failed, and either the rich Jews, their property and their religion were to blame (National), or all religions and all private property (Soviet).

The throw sh-- at the wall, hope it sticks, then even lie about it when it doesn't, is why people aren't trusting anyone throwing any more. No one trusts the authorities, especially the vaccinated.

The unvaccinated were never the bigger issue, just the distraction, and now we're in the mess.

It's not just this thread I'm talking about in ref to him.
 
Delta airlines making the right call, they self insure their employees and are charging unvax $200 a month to make up for the extra monetary burden the unvax will impose.

Right now it costs between $20-$50 thousand dollars for the average covid hospitalization (which is insane in and of itself, but speaks to the messed up healthcare system in our country).

Since it's looking like the unvaxed are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized for covid, this makes sense from a monetary point of view.
 
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