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SCKnight said:
You mean our record of championships, bowl games , top 10 finishes and top 25 finishes? I am sure that is what you mean because you do remember that we won the league championship last year and went to bowl game and lots of stuff that most AAC teams did not get to do. Oh yeah, we beat BYU too. Was that so long ago that you had forgotten? Oh yeah we also beat a couple of top 10 teams, won a BCS Bowl and all in the last two years. What a disaster!!
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So how did he manage to turn all that good shit into the horseshit season we are having??????

You are absolutely right, UCF has had tons of success under O'Leary over the last 2 years...

So why the fukc are we all of a sudden depleted of talent on the field and on the sidelines? What kind of coach allows 2 flagship seasons to go by without any positive repercussions? With all the success we had the last 2 seasons, we should have all sort of coordinators wanting to work here and all sorts of kids wanting to play here. Boise State does. So why don't we?

Our A.D./Coach is redefining the term "fallen from grace" with the magical turd season we are having. Look at our recruiting. Look at the players that have switched commitment. Look at the players that have tweeted they wish they were somewhere else. Open your fukcing eyes and understand that all that good shit that happened the last 2 years just went to shit. Can he fix this? Sure, in 2-3 years like he always does. And you fukcers are happy with the fact that he can fukc up because eventually he'll give us a flagship season... just to throw it all away right after.

But it's ok, let's stay mediocre and middle of that pack because that's all cool and shit, you know?
 
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I think "depleted" of talent is way overselling the situation. The problem is the OLine. If the OLine was even average, this is probably a 7+ win team. We wouldn't win a 3rd AAC championship in a row, but we'd mostly all be talking "well, I guess we're back to the 1 up / 1 down season seesaw ride".

There are some really good players... young, inexperienced, but good players out there. The running game sucks, because of the oline. The QBs are panicking, because they're sick of getting blindsided by unblocked pass rushers. The defense is on the field WAY too long, because the offense isn't on the field.
 
SublimeKnight said:
I think "depleted" of talent is way overselling the situation. The problem is the OLine. If the OLine was even average, this is probably a 7+ win team. We wouldn't win a 3rd AAC championship in a row, but we'd mostly all be talking "well, I guess we're back to the 1 up / 1 down season seesaw ride".

There are some really good players... young, inexperienced, but good players out there. The running game sucks, because of the oline. The QBs are panicking, because they're sick of getting blindsided by unblocked pass rushers. The defense is on the field WAY too long, because the offense isn't on the field.
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You mean the line that has been underachieving since last season and is coached by our new offensive coordinator which was appointed by our head coach /A.D. who is basically in charge of all that?

Coaching sucks. O'Leary sucks. He needs to go.
 
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Knight_Classes_begin_7pm said:
Did you read Bianchi's article? And yes you have excellent points...but....this is not just a down season... for various reasons. The 10 years we got from GOL is as far as he can take us in my opinion. And I am basing that on his history of decisions. The people he hires and puts into position are his decisions! I understand that we can't recruit like Florida, but decisions such as putting an offensive line coach as a play caller??? Come on! We have the money to pay smart people! The team missed 15 tackles against Tulane...15!!!! Basics. Yes GOL has done alot......but when do we turn the corner and stop settling for mediocracy? (I know we won the Tostitos bowl and many conference championships) but where is the consistency? The horrible decision to start Dinovo?? wth was that. The ROCAL is our hero?? Have you actually watched the play calling this year? Even if we lost some guys, our recruits should be intelligent enough and coached up enough to run smart plays. Explain the offensive line (which was supposed to improve this year)?? Thank you GOL and Dr, Hitt for everything, but how to we turn the corner? :)
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All the rhetoric is premised on the theory that GOL wants to hang around forever. I don think this is the case. I don't know how to turn the corner and I don't profess to have the answers. What I do know is that the answer is not to immediately fire the coach. Here is what I think transpired this year. GOL wants to retire. He does not want to leave UCF in the hands of someone he does not think is right to move the program on. He has Brent Key in his sights. Everyone knows it. The AD leaves and the opportunity to move Brent Key forward comes a year earlier than expected. GOL can move out of the way slowly and allow his successor to take charge. Brent has all the outward signs of being able to handle the job. But put to the test he fails miserably. Had Brent Key worked out GOL would be a genius, just like he was in hiring Charlie Taaffe and other coordinators that have left the program for money that UCF could not hope to compete with.

Now GOL is stuck. He has three choices. He can step away and let a new AD come in and hire a new coach or he can commit to a long term fix. He can also agree with an exit strategy with Hitt to avoid the PR problem associated with terminating a long term coach.

Hitt has three choices. He can 1) fire GOL as AD and hire a new AD who will be able to woo GOL's successor and leave GOL as coach. 2) fire GOL as both coach and AD or 3) he can leave GOL on as both coach and AD. I am betting on #1. Option #2 is a PR nightmare. Outside of rabid UCF fans, most everyone thinks GOL is a good coach for the program lumps and all. Firing the guy who took you to the next level because of one bad year would not look good. Of course GOL could step down and make it easier. Option #3 is also bad because I don't think GOL is cut out to be an AD. It is too much of a political position and I don't think he is up to it.

The truth is there is no short term fix. It does not exist. You might get lucky but odds are against it. It takes many years for a new coach to establish his mark on a program. I think you have to see what the end of this year and next year bring before you can pull the trigger on a new coach. Not only is it smart business, GOL has earned it.
 
SCKnight said:
All the rhetoric is premised on the theory that GOL wants to hang around forever. I don think this is the case. I don't know how to turn the corner and I don't profess to have the answers. What I do know is that the answer is not to immediately fire the coach. Here is what I think transpired this year. GOL wants to retire. He does not want to leave UCF in the hands of someone he does not think is right to move the program on. He has Brent Key in his sights. Everyone knows it. The AD leaves and the opportunity to move Brent Key forward comes a year earlier than expected. GOL can move out of the way slowly and allow his successor to take charge. Brent has all the outward signs of being able to handle the job. But put to the test he fails miserably. Had Brent Key worked out GOL would be a genius, just like he was in hiring Charlie Taaffe and other coordinators that have left the program for money that UCF could not hope to compete with.

Now GOL is stuck. He has three choices. He can step away and let a new AD come in and hire a new coach or he can commit to a long term fix. He can also agree with an exit strategy with Hitt to avoid the PR problem associated with terminating a long term coach.

Hitt has three choices. He can 1) fire GOL as AD and hire a new AD who will be able to woo GOL's successor and leave GOL as coach. 2) fire GOL as both coach and AD or 3) he can leave GOL on as both coach and AD. I am betting on #1. Option #2 is a PR nightmare. Outside of rabid UCF fans, most everyone thinks GOL is a good coach for the program lumps and all. Firing the guy who took you to the next level because of one bad year would not look good. Of course GOL could step down and make it easier. Option #3 is also bad because I don't think GOL is cut out to be an AD. It is too much of a political position and I don't think he is up to it.

The truth is there is no short term fix. It does not exist. You might get lucky but odds are against it. It takes many years for a new coach to establish his mark on a program. I think you have to see what the end of this year and next year bring before you can pull the trigger on a new coach. Not only is it smart business, GOL has earned it.
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No.
 
SCKnight said:
I can defend it all day. Winning percentage of what? Meaning what? What did winning percentage mean to UCF during the Kruz Era? Nothing. Did we go to a bowl game? Nope. did we win a MAC championships Nope. Did we beat any P5 programs? Yes, one time against a 3-8 Alabama team. A victory that is completely forgotten and meaningless in the light of recent UCF history. What did we gain from GOL for millions (not hundreds of millions)? Relevance. Like it or not we are relevant in realignment discussions. More than your heroes at Boise.
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No. Hundreds of millions. New stadium. Indoor practice field. Weight rooms. Academic support center and staff. Increased coaches salary. Advertising.
 
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SublimeKnight said:
I think "depleted" of talent is way overselling the situation. The problem is the OLine. If the OLine was even average, this is probably a 7+ win team. We wouldn't win a 3rd AAC championship in a row, but we'd mostly all be talking "well, I guess we're back to the 1 up / 1 down season seesaw ride".

There are some really good players... young, inexperienced, but good players out there. The running game sucks, because of the oline. The QBs are panicking, because they're sick of getting blindsided by unblocked pass rushers. The defense is on the field WAY too long, because the offense isn't on the field.
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The problem is local recruiting. Been saying it for years.
 
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SCKnight said:
All the rhetoric is premised on the theory that GOL wants to hang around forever. I don think this is the case. I don't know how to turn the corner and I don't profess to have the answers. What I do know is that the answer is not to immediately fire the coach. Here is what I think transpired this year. GOL wants to retire. He does not want to leave UCF in the hands of someone he does not think is right to move the program on. He has Brent Key in his sights. Everyone knows it. The AD leaves and the opportunity to move Brent Key forward comes a year earlier than expected. GOL can move out of the way slowly and allow his successor to take charge. Brent has all the outward signs of being able to handle the job. But put to the test he fails miserably. Had Brent Key worked out GOL would be a genius, just like he was in hiring Charlie Taaffe and other coordinators that have left the program for money that UCF could not hope to compete with.

Now GOL is stuck. He has three choices. He can step away and let a new AD come in and hire a new coach or he can commit to a long term fix. He can also agree with an exit strategy with Hitt to avoid the PR problem associated with terminating a long term coach.

Hitt has three choices. He can 1) fire GOL as AD and hire a new AD who will be able to woo GOL's successor and leave GOL as coach. 2) fire GOL as both coach and AD or 3) he can leave GOL on as both coach and AD. I am betting on #1. Option #2 is a PR nightmare. Outside of rabid UCF fans, most everyone thinks GOL is a good coach for the program lumps and all. Firing the guy who took you to the next level because of one bad year would not look good. Of course GOL could step down and make it easier. Option #3 is also bad because I don't think GOL is cut out to be an AD. It is too much of a political position and I don't think he is up to it.

The truth is there is no short term fix. It does not exist. You might get lucky but odds are against it. It takes many years for a new coach to establish his mark on a program. I think you have to see what the end of this year and next year bring before you can pull the trigger on a new coach. Not only is it smart business, GOL has earned it.
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He didn't take us to the next level. We were 0-11 when he started and we'll be 0-12 this year. Looks like we came full circle.
 
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The thing you guys keep failing to acknowledge is that O'Leary has done this before. Multiple times. Not counting 2004, you got 2006, 2008, 2011 and now 2015 as losing seasons that came right after a flagship winning season. This is how he functions. He has managed to throw away all the build up of 4 winning seasons right down the drain because he does not have the proper personnel to coach/recruit players into our program. And he says the fans are yo-yos? His coaching record is a yo-yo!!!!

Until you guys acknowledge this fact and start realizing that we do not deserve mediocrity as a fanbase, as donors and as alumni, we really have nothing to discuss.
 
firm_bizzle said:
No. Hundreds of millions. New stadium. Indoor practice field. Weight rooms. Academic support center and staff. Increased coaches salary. Advertising.
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You also got a New stadium. Indoor practice field. Weight rooms. Academic support center and staff for that money. That value remains today.
 
firm_bizzle said:
He didn't take us to the next level. We were 0-11 when he started and we'll be 0-12 this year. Looks like we came full circle.
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Come now. you can do better than that. Shame on you. Just when I was beginning to enjoy our banter once again.
 
You, like many others (including me) drank the kool-aid in the 90s. UCF was touted as an up and coming program, a sleeping giant, yada yada yada. It was all words, but meanwhile in the backroom meetings of college athletics UCF was not represented. Nobody in leadership understood the game of college athletics. The truth is that winning big games does not get you crap and "almost winning" games gets you even less. Getting into a conference, creating rivalries, setting TV and bowl money and networking in those circles and working your way up through the ranks is what creates value for a program. Louisville understood that. UCF missed the boat completely on this due to poor leadership. When GOL says that winning the conference is the goal, he is 100% right. Winning any of those big games against USC, UGA or GT would have been nice but would still have made us flash in the pans. It is easy to trend upwards when nobody expects anything from you.


GOL did change the perception of UCF. You people look back in time through total rose colored glasses. We were less than a joke when GOL came in. Kruz boasted about how UCF would dominate the MAC because he was also drinking the kool-aid. Like so many fans he thought that our location and recruiting etc, automatically equaled wins. He got his hat handed to him by the MAC. We were a joke laughed at by all the MAC programs that were offended by Kruz's comments. Our program had no discipline, our recruiting was in the dumps, we were low. Meanwhile USF was ascending.



Daunte WAS UCF football then. He was the one man show. Without him UCF was nothing. He was a freak, an aberration. Once he left UCF became nothing but "the school where Daunte Culpepper went to school."

Kruz was never offered the job at Kentucky. He was a candidate but he was not offered the job. The UCF program was in such disarray at the time that many here were hoping he would be offered the job and go. I think a year later he was fired. So again, stop looking at the past with such fond memories.

Again with the Kool-Aid. I have been a fan since 1984. I have been around the country going to UCF games. I went to 1-AA playoffs etc.. I drank the Kool-aid at the time. It was complete and utter hogwash. UCF was not on the lips of anyone that mattered. Yes UCF had all the potential in the world, but they were not being used correctly. The only time UCF became relevant to the conference talks or to the football world in general was after we joined CUSA. We began to establish a name among the conference foes, had bowl tie ins, in other words we join the college football world. Are reputation and name in the college football circles is infinitely better than it was in 2003. That most mostly due to the work of Steve Orisini, Dr. Hitt and GOL. The only ones who thought UCF was an up and coming school were UCF fans. To everyone else we were homecoming fodder.

If...if... if.... The only if I think about nowadays is "If we would have joined CUSA in the 90s we would have been better off. The rest is all BS. You win a big game and it is good for a couple of weeks and then forgotten. Win championships, even in lower level conferences, and it means a great deal more.


In my opinion you are blinded by short memory loss and reconstruction of history. We are not perfect we have never been perfect. But we are miles ahead of where we were in 2003. What is sad is that you think that somehow UCF was mandated to beat NC State merely because they were 7-5 playing in the ACC. What is sad is that you feel disappointment at winning a second consecutive conference championship with a first year QB at the helm because they lost the bowl game. What is sad is that pretty much every team in the AAC would trade places with UCF's record over the last 5 years if it meant that they had to have one terrible season but to you it is wallowing in mediocrity. You are spoiled little children who don't care about the presents they have already opened at Christmas; they want to know why the next one is not bigger than the last. You think there is a "cure all" for this season, well there is not. Welcome to UCF football, sometimes it sucks to be a knight. In fact for most of the last 30 years it has sucked to be a knight fan. But I love them. The last 5-6 years has been a blessing and a joy. Thank you GOL and thank you Dr. Hitt. You people must turn it into a negative.[/QUOTE]

Who said i thought they were perfect? I said based on the performance i saw we did good as a young program especially against lesser programs that have been around for a long time. We took it as far as we could, but you try to revise history and emphasize how disorganized our program is and how GOL was hired to clean the ship. You also cant ignore the fact that South Florida was doing better at the time we were tanking. So why is that important? Of course its because of conference realignment and the BCS thats why. We wanted to join a BCS conference then as we want to join a P5 conference now.

If we hired GOL for the sake of just cleaning our progam and being happy to be playing, then why didnt the program just step back down to FCS? Why did we spend all this money on stadiums and arenas? Thats because GOL was hired for a reason different than say Bill O'Brien or James Franklin was hired to coach Penn State for example. We brought in GOL to take our programs to heights that would demand a bigger conference add us. He took us as far as he can go. Now we need someone else to cross the finish line.
 
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Who said i thought they were perfect? I said based on the performance i saw we did good as a young program especially against lesser programs that have been around for a long time. We took it as far as we could, but you try to revise history and emphasize how disorganized our program is and how GOL was hired to clean the ship. You also cant ignore the fact that South Florida was doing better at the time we were tanking. So why is that important? Of course its because of conference realignment and the BCS thats why. We wanted to join a BCS conference then as we want to join a P5 conference now.

If we hired GOL for the sake of just cleaning our progam and being happy to be playing, then why didnt the program just step back down to FCS? Why did we spend all this money on stadiums and arenas? Thats because GOL was hired for a reason different than say Bill O'Brien or James Franklin was hired to coach Penn State for example. We brought in GOL to take our programs to heights that would demand a bigger conference add us. He took us as far as he can go. Now we need someone else to cross the finish line.
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We told ourselves we were doing good but our measuring stick was wrong. We were doing everything the wrong way. We focused on being independent and playing big teams close which was meaningless. We lost to our share of lower level teams we beat our share of teams. But by the time Kruz left the UCF program had hit rock bottom. There is no revision there. We were a program without compass drifting. We had no leadership and no direction. South Florida had that direction. We did not. GOL had nothing to work with that first year.

We hired GOL because he was a proven winner with a record and name to back it up. We only were able to hire GOL because he was tainted with scandal. Otherwise we would never have attracted anyone even close to his standing. We did not hire him to get us into a bigger conference, we hired him to start winning the conference we were in first and to create an atmosphere worthy of notice.

So you want someone to take you across the finish line and you think some young unknown up and coming coach is going to do that for you? Or will it be another washed out rehab from a P5 program that will do it? I would love to know because outside of this message board community UCF is seen as a great program with a good coach having a down year. I want to know what a new coach will automatically bring to the table to magically transform the program.
 
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You mean the line that has been underachieving since last season and is coached by our new offensive coordinator which was appointed by our head coach /A.D. who is basically in charge of all that?

Coaching sucks. O'Leary sucks. He needs to go.
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The problem is local recruiting. Been saying it for years.
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It's definitely bewildering that out OLine OC and line centric HC have produced such a terrible OLine (probably the worst in all of CFB). My point was we have great players on the field, but the OLine play is pulling the carpet out from under them.
 
Knight_Classes_begin_7pm said:
Excellent Post! That is my point exactly. We have enough data to show or predict trend for the future. GOL and his football capabilities are not enough to take us to the next level. Nothing personal :)
1. Can't play 60 minutes..
2. O-Line always a problem with few exceptions. Undersized, etc
3. Terrible decision making, Dinovo, Brent Key, Rocal, recruiting, .....(feel free to add here)
4. Worse in 2nd half
5. Many Losses to horrible teams
6. UCF does well if GOL gets lucky with superstar players.
7. Off season preparation, basics, tackling, this is coaching.

The only way we get to the next level is to do what Florida just did. We're going to accept and me mediocre as long as GOL is here. 10 years is a lot of time to be this bad......and to continue accepting it.

Yes, I know we've had injuries and players let go...but the basics are not here. This is my Opinion from following UCF football for 23 years.

Is cleaning house a gamble? YES, but to stay the same (stay the course) there is no chance to get to the next level.
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Comparing us to UF...nice. a few minor differences like 25-30 million dollars, 4-5 star recruits that come each year in bunches, money to hire top-notch staff AND keep them. Who cares about minor details like this, though. If you think our program is bad wait until we roll the dice with a new regime and it doesn't work...then we will be like USF has been recently....sucking on a continual basis. Of course, a new coach and staff could also have great success as well. Broken record....this is a all going to be a great read on where our football program sits, which i think is more important than any one coach or staff. Have the resources and support to make them a success really been good enough to sustain a high level of on-field success? The true difference between boise state and ucf isn't wins or losses. It's the ability to transition coaches and staff and still be successful/consistent.
 
ucfversusbcs said:
You, like many others (including me) drank the kool-aid in the 90s. UCF was touted as an up and coming program, a sleeping giant, yada yada yada. It was all words, but meanwhile in the backroom meetings of college athletics UCF was not represented. Nobody in leadership understood the game of college athletics. The truth is that winning big games does not get you crap and "almost winning" games gets you even less. Getting into a conference, creating rivalries, setting TV and bowl money and networking in those circles and working your way up through the ranks is what creates value for a program. Louisville understood that. UCF missed the boat completely on this due to poor leadership. When GOL says that winning the conference is the goal, he is 100% right. Winning any of those big games against USC, UGA or GT would have been nice but would still have made us flash in the pans. It is easy to trend upwards when nobody expects anything from you.


GOL did change the perception of UCF. You people look back in time through total rose colored glasses. We were less than a joke when GOL came in. Kruz boasted about how UCF would dominate the MAC because he was also drinking the kool-aid. Like so many fans he thought that our location and recruiting etc, automatically equaled wins. He got his hat handed to him by the MAC. We were a joke laughed at by all the MAC programs that were offended by Kruz's comments. Our program had no discipline, our recruiting was in the dumps, we were low. Meanwhile USF was ascending.



Daunte WAS UCF football then. He was the one man show. Without him UCF was nothing. He was a freak, an aberration. Once he left UCF became nothing but "the school where Daunte Culpepper went to school."

Kruz was never offered the job at Kentucky. He was a candidate but he was not offered the job. The UCF program was in such disarray at the time that many here were hoping he would be offered the job and go. I think a year later he was fired. So again, stop looking at the past with such fond memories.

Again with the Kool-Aid. I have been a fan since 1984. I have been around the country going to UCF games. I went to 1-AA playoffs etc.. I drank the Kool-aid at the time. It was complete and utter hogwash. UCF was not on the lips of anyone that mattered. Yes UCF had all the potential in the world, but they were not being used correctly. The only time UCF became relevant to the conference talks or to the football world in general was after we joined CUSA. We began to establish a name among the conference foes, had bowl tie ins, in other words we join the college football world. Are reputation and name in the college football circles is infinitely better than it was in 2003. That most mostly due to the work of Steve Orisini, Dr. Hitt and GOL. The only ones who thought UCF was an up and coming school were UCF fans. To everyone else we were homecoming fodder.

If...if... if.... The only if I think about nowadays is "If we would have joined CUSA in the 90s we would have been better off. The rest is all BS. You win a big game and it is good for a couple of weeks and then forgotten. Win championships, even in lower level conferences, and it means a great deal more.


In my opinion you are blinded by short memory loss and reconstruction of history. We are not perfect we have never been perfect. But we are miles ahead of where we were in 2003. What is sad is that you think that somehow UCF was mandated to beat NC State merely because they were 7-5 playing in the ACC. What is sad is that you feel disappointment at winning a second consecutive conference championship with a first year QB at the helm because they lost the bowl game. What is sad is that pretty much every team in the AAC would trade places with UCF's record over the last 5 years if it meant that they had to have one terrible season but to you it is wallowing in mediocrity. You are spoiled little children who don't care about the presents they have already opened at Christmas; they want to know why the next one is not bigger than the last. You think there is a "cure all" for this season, well there is not. Welcome to UCF football, sometimes it sucks to be a knight. In fact for most of the last 30 years it has sucked to be a knight fan. But I love them. The last 5-6 years has been a blessing and a joy. Thank you GOL and thank you Dr. Hitt. You people must turn it into a negative.
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Who said i thought they were perfect? I said based on the performance i saw we did good as a young program especially against lesser programs that have been around for a long time. We took it as far as we could, but you try to revise history and emphasize how disorganized our program is and how GOL was hired to clean the ship. You also cant ignore the fact that South Florida was doing better at the time we were tanking. So why is that important? Of course its because of conference realignment and the BCS thats why. We wanted to join a BCS conference then as we want to join a P5 conference now.

If we hired GOL for the sake of just cleaning our progam and being happy to be playing, then why didnt the program just step back down to FCS? Why did we spend all this money on stadiums and arenas? Thats because GOL was hired for a reason different than say Bill O'Brien or James Franklin was hired to coach Penn State for example. We brought in GOL to take our programs to heights that would demand a bigger conference add us. He took us as far as he can go. Now we need someone else to cross the finish line.[/QUOTE]

Excellent perspective!
 
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Victorywayucf said:
You know what else would be an option? Hiring a young coach, DJ Durkin,-Pruitt, giving them 3-4 years like Memphis did to build, clean up the shit, then benefit.
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I don't think it will take 3-4 years. We've got some talent. It's just young
SCKnight said:
All the rhetoric is premised on the theory that GOL wants to hang around forever. I don think this is the case. I don't know how to turn the corner and I don't profess to have the answers. What I do know is that the answer is not to immediately fire the coach. Here is what I think transpired this year. GOL wants to retire. He does not want to leave UCF in the hands of someone he does not think is right to move the program on. He has Brent Key in his sights. Everyone knows it. The AD leaves and the opportunity to move Brent Key forward comes a year earlier than expected. GOL can move out of the way slowly and allow his successor to take charge. Brent has all the outward signs of being able to handle the job. But put to the test he fails miserably. Had Brent Key worked out GOL would be a genius, just like he was in hiring Charlie Taaffe and other coordinators that have left the program for money that UCF could not hope to compete with.

Now GOL is stuck. He has three choices. He can step away and let a new AD come in and hire a new coach or he can commit to a long term fix. He can also agree with an exit strategy with Hitt to avoid the PR problem associated with terminating a long term coach.

Hitt has three choices. He can 1) fire GOL as AD and hire a new AD who will be able to woo GOL's successor and leave GOL as coach. 2) fire GOL as both coach and AD or 3) he can leave GOL on as both coach and AD. I am betting on #1. Option #2 is a PR nightmare. Outside of rabid UCF fans, most everyone thinks GOL is a good coach for the program lumps and all. Firing the guy who took you to the next level because of one bad year would not look good. Of course GOL could step down and make it easier. Option #3 is also bad because I don't think GOL is cut out to be an AD. It is too much of a political position and I don't think he is up to it.

The truth is there is no short term fix. It does not exist. You might get lucky but odds are against it. It takes many years for a new coach to establish his mark on a program. I think you have to see what the end of this year and next year bring before you can pull the trigger on a new coach. Not only is it smart business, GOL has earned it.
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Anoyher great read on the situation.
 
mattropolis said:
Who said i thought they were perfect? I said based on the performance i saw we did good as a young program especially against lesser programs that have been around for a long time. We took it as far as we could, but you try to revise history and emphasize how disorganized our program is and how GOL was hired to clean the ship. You also cant ignore the fact that South Florida was doing better at the time we were tanking. So why is that important? Of course its because of conference realignment and the BCS thats why. We wanted to join a BCS conference then as we want to join a P5 conference now.

If we hired GOL for the sake of just cleaning our progam and being happy to be playing, then why didnt the program just step back down to FCS? Why did we spend all this money on stadiums and arenas? Thats because GOL was hired for a reason different than say Bill O'Brien or James Franklin was hired to coach Penn State for example. We brought in GOL to take our programs to heights that would demand a bigger conference add us. He took us as far as he can go. Now we need someone else to cross the finish line.
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Excellent perspective![/QUOTE]

Very well written.
 
Whoever said firing GOL as coach and AD is a PR nightmare because of the non-UCF fans, i could easily argue the same about Auburn getting rid of Chizik not even two years after the national title. He wasnt given a chance to right the ship either.
 
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You also got a New stadium. Indoor practice field. Weight rooms. Academic support center and staff for that money. That value remains today.
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Excellent points. Major Facilities and program building. He got a lot done and changed the perception. Sometimes I want to give him a pass, but can we take the next step with him? OK, so let's do a test. If we pull some ridiculous play calling on the first 2 possessions, that will show the GOL's un-willingness to change AND his predictability. Will we see anything different Saturday against UCONN or will it be SOS? :)
 
mattropolis said:
Who said i thought they were perfect? I said based on the performance i saw we did good as a young program especially against lesser programs that have been around for a long time. We took it as far as we could, but you try to revise history and emphasize how disorganized our program is and how GOL was hired to clean the ship. You also cant ignore the fact that South Florida was doing better at the time we were tanking. So why is that important? Of course its because of conference realignment and the BCS thats why. We wanted to join a BCS conference then as we want to join a P5 conference now.

If we hired GOL for the sake of just cleaning our progam and being happy to be playing, then why didnt the program just step back down to FCS? Why did we spend all this money on stadiums and arenas? Thats because GOL was hired for a reason different than say Bill O'Brien or James Franklin was hired to coach Penn State for example. We brought in GOL to take our programs to heights that would demand a bigger conference add us. He took us as far as he can go. Now we need someone else to cross the finish line.
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Excellent post!
 
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Knight_Classes_begin_7pm said:
Excellent points. Major Facilities and program building. He got a lot done and changed the perception. Sometimes I want to give him a pass, but can we take the next step with him? OK, so let's do a test. If we pull some ridiculous play calling on the first 2 possessions, that will show the GOL's un-willingness to change AND his predictability. Will we see anything different Saturday against UCONN or will it be SOS? :)
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I am not a football coach. I don't know what these guys have been trained to do or not to do. I also don't know if they are even capable of doing anything different. I know that there is a method by which you train your team and by which you intend to win. I know historically UCF has been a very balanced team. I know GOL has been predictable on 1st down but even at S. Carolina they were throwing on first down. How much can you realistically throw at a young QB? Many times our QB threw INTS because he did not see/read the open receiver. He is also under constant pressure so there no time for the deep ball. He is too inexperienced to be doing much audible at the line so it is not good. Change for the sake of Change does not make sense. But adjusting your gameplan to adjust for a true fresman QB and horrible O-line play is required. I am just not sure you go about doing that with our current personnel. Hopefully having a veteran QB back this weekend will help solve some of that and allow them to open up the playbook a bit.
 
Something else we have to keep in mind with recruiting:
2011 - 29
2012 - 2015 avg. of 18

The NCAA sanctions have had an impact on us. Since, we have fewer
highly rated recruits we need the numbers to find the diamonds in the rough!
 
HammerB08 said:
This doesn't sound promising: "UCF is in the last year of its NCAA-mandated scholarship reductions. The Knights have to be strategic as they approach signing their next recruiting class in February, with one of the smallest senior classes in the country translating to few open scholarship positions for the next wave of talent."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-ucf-football-1009-20151008-story.html
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Regardless of a coaches record, it's shocking how he still has a job after all of the controversy that has surrounded him. College sports are so bizarre, in that a employee can cause massive fees, fines, and sanctions and still be treated as they did no wrong. Very few places have high standards for their coaches when it comes to moral decency. We are certainly not one of them.
 
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Here we are bitching about the current lack of talent and there's talk about how we will need to be "strategic" heading into this year's recruiting class because there are "few scholarship positions for the next wave of talent." GREAT!
 
(Art_Vandelay) said:
Regardless of a coaches record, it's shocking how he still has a job after all of the controversy that has surrounded him. College sports are so bizarre, in that a employee can cause massive fees, fines, and sanctions and still be treated as they did no wrong. Very few places have high standards for their coaches when it comes to moral decency. We are certainly not one of them.
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I bet a bunch of stuff comes out after he leaves.
 
HammerB08 said:
Here we are bitching about the current lack of talent and there's talk about how we will need to be "strategic" heading into this year's recruiting class because there are "few scholarship positions for the next wave of talent." GREAT!
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I thought that probation was over!
 
HammerB08 said:
This doesn't sound promising: "UCF is in the last year of its NCAA-mandated scholarship reductions. The Knights have to be strategic as they approach signing their next recruiting class in February, with one of the smallest senior classes in the country translating to few open scholarship positions for the next wave of talent."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-ucf-football-1009-20151008-story.html
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This article sounds like it could have been written in 2004. We've come full circle.
 
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