For some reason I can't find any articles that corroborate the premise. It may be completely false.
Pnumonia deaths in Florida are through the roof, seems like we know why covid deaths are so low.
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For some reason I can't find any articles that corroborate the premise. It may be completely false.
Im not crying over anything and trust me, I never expect you to go against a Republican leader. You have made it more than clear you are loyal to Republicans no matter what.
FC mentioned California in this thread already, so it hasnt been ignored. It is more than possible they arent being honest about their #s either.
It's sad to you see guys accept your government leaders lying to your face. I thought you were supposed to be the party that didnt trust government?
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200417-lkel6rlik5blhd5zdktkrxhzze-story.html
This is from April and goes into some detail about why pneumonia would be much higher. It stems from a lack of testing to confirm Covid as a cause of death. So many patients are just dying of "pneumonia" where people who are tested can have dual causes of death listed.
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“Someone who dies of coronavirus, they might have COVID listed as the primary cause and pneumonia listed as the secondary cause,” explained Daniel Weinberger, associate professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health.
The same is true for influenza, he said. But when a death is not tested for either disease, those filling out the death certificate often list the primary cause of death as pneumonia.
“My guess is that a good chunk of that death that you see there is due to coronavirus, and it’s not being listed on the death report,” Weinberger said."
Well I dont see the controversy. That article was from April so the death counts would have been regarding March and early April. Unless there is evidence that the same thing is happening now that there is more testing, this is much ado about nothing at most, at least it shows how Florida has done an even better job of getting in under control than they claim.
I don’t think it’s a scandal either way. There are reasons an error could happen either way. Valid reasons. However there is empirical evidence that excess deaths have increased by far more than those accounted for by Covid19. You can deny it or accept it. You can believe the huge spike in pneumonia deaths doesn’t correlate to Covid19 if you want. After all there is no way to prove there isn’t some other mystery cause also circulating in the population at the same time as a global pandemic. But sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.
It might not have to be a mystery cause. We already know that over 50% of Covid deaths have come from rest homes and assisted living facilities, allegedly were having a bad flu season, have an extremely stressful situation that can affect health,, and having a rapidly aging population. Its not out of the realm of possibility that the rise in total deaths is a product of many factors, not just one. If we saw a huge uptick in deaths among younger, healthy people it would seem pretty obvious but that isn't the case.
Pneumonia brought on by stress? Again the simplest explanation is often correct. I think the prevalence of influenza during a lockdown is pretty low considering it’s transmission rate in general is much lower than Coronavirus. But yes it certainly could be that everyone is getting the flu despite lockdowns and this is leading to the increases pneumonia deaths.
Overall deaths. Thats kind of the point people are making to say that Covid is worse than is being under reported. To my knowledge nobody has claimed that pneumonia or the flu is responsible for increased deaths and defined the causality. As with everything else regarding the virus, we don't know.
No, it's exactly what you're doing. You want me to call DeSantis a liar and someone who is manipulating data even though absolutely no facts corroborate that, and you're now crying because I won't jump on your half baked premise.
There is no evidence that thousands upon thousands of COVID deaths are deliberately being hidden or misreported. Especially considering that FL's hospitals were never, at any point, overrun with people flocking to the ICU. Which would have occurred if you're telling me that thousands more people were dying of COVID in a short time span than what we were told. The hospital loads would have reflected that doubling of patients on the brink of death.
Hint: FC has pushed insane conspiracy and hilariously wrong stuff on here since 2016. He spent an entire year pushing Russia hoax stuff that blew up in his face. Latching onto his dumbass hot takes aren't a good idea. You should probably retreat for now.
Pneumonia has an underlying cause. In fact any other year it is nearly always caused by influenza to the point that CDC statistics on influenza and pneumonia are lumped together. There isn’t a mysterious other cause to increased pneumonia deaths.
All cause mortality is actually lower than normal in places where coronavirus cases are low. Because nobody is getting the flu plus other factors like decreases automobile accidents. The places where we are seeing excess death numbers are correlated to places that are coronavirus hotspots. The theory that the excess deaths are attributed to some other factor of the lockdown doesn’t hold up or else we would see excess deaths over normal in every area across the country that has taken coronavirus measures.
Im not wanting anyone to blame Desantis but can we at least stop sucking his dick like hes somehow found the secret recipe for success when all he's doing is not testing the people who are dying.
No proof whatsoever that Covid deaths are being understated in Florida. I still don’t know a single person who has it let alone who has died
Deaths are low in Florida. Stop being a baby because your Democratic governors are murderers of elderly people
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So now you’re asserting that thousands of people are coming to FL hospitals with COVID symptoms and not being tested despite being critically ill. And then dying. At the request of evil mastermind DeSantis.
Link to actual proof? Facts?
Just a reminder: Shook Chicken has now progressed this theory to include the assertion that thousands more people went to our hospitals on the verge of dying with exact COVID symptoms, went into an ICU, and yet somehow were "refused" testing because evil mastermind DeSantis told that nurse not to, and then had their death "covered up" by not reporting this as COVID.
That's where this theory now stands. Thousands upon thousands of people dying and not tested that somehow all managed to magically avoid a hospital and/or had nurses doing the dirty work of mastermind Desantis.
That's where this theory now stands. Thousands upon thousands of people dying and not tested that somehow all managed to magically avoid a hospital and/or had nurses doing the dirty work of mastermind Desantis.
One thing that is missing in the big picture is that this years total deaths are fairly consistent with the average. Even if its up to 105%, that's only 5% more deaths than normal. Most states have hovered in the 99-102% range so far this year.
This. I'm not going to assert any conspiracy theories on the state intentionally under-reporting COVID deaths. What I will say is that IF I was DeSantis, I'd be bending over backwards to understand why pneumonia deaths are running at 4x their usual rate in an environment where extreme levels of social distancing should have reduced the number of viral infections leading to pneumonia.
If it's sick people scared to go to the hospital for treatment, fine. If it's diagnosed COVID cases fine - but I'd want an answer. We're dealing with a public health crisis and we need to make decisions with good data. When seemingly illogical things appear in the data, we should seek to understand what's happening.
A lady was fired by desantis (frump's man child) after they asked her to fudge numbers
Responsible person: Idiot Frump and company. Do you trust fat bill barr as far as you could throw him! The guy's a criminal.
I'm sorry, but how do people not understand that every year numbers are sent in daily and then revised later to get an accurate picture? 102% of predicted deaths isn't exactly something to freak out about and demand answers for in real time.
The worst thing that has happened to this country in 4 years is world-o-meter. Normally we wait for months to get data, but now its up to the minute, unvalidated, unaudited fear mongering.
Here's a thought: look at the conditions on the ground in your own community and determine your personal risk factor and then act accordingly. Most of us don't have a petri-dish subway system like NYC so why should we think that is applicable to our lives? I don't live in a rest home, so why should I shelter in place and wear a mask because rest home residents are dying en masse while the rest of us don't really have symptoms from this virus?
He doesn't because his house parent at the group home in which he lives hasn't told him yet.
Take it easy on him. He gets most of his information from the men’s bathroom stall at Disney and his news source has been temporarily shut down.
Lol, lol, lol, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Post of the day. Frump is an idiot. Emoji, emoji, emoji, kiss FCs ass, lol, lol, lol, omg you nailed it.
Youre jealous that you dont have fans like me.
OK so let's not conflate CDC or state reported pneumonia deaths with Worldometer. Does data get revised? Sure. But my point is that if I was in charge, a 4x increase in pneumonia deaths given the circumstances is something I'd want to understand. Your logic implies that decisions makers or researchers should ignore real time data since it will get revised over time. That's absurd. You make the best decisions you can with the data you have at the time. You should take into account the reliability of the data, but waiting months to make evaluations is ridiculous.
All Worldometer is doing is tracking publicly available data. I don't know how you can criticize that. People that misuse the data to serve their agenda? Fine.
Fair enough. My point is that we have people comparing unaudited numbers with ones that have been revised from prior years. That isn't a fair comparison, but its being used to claim that governors are fudging their numbers.
Guys, why are you debating this? COVID is over, the pandemic is done. Socialist distancing and masks were the critical line between life and death but that was 2 weeks ago. All of that is now over with, feel free to pile on top of eachother with or without a mask, it doesn't matter!
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What a ****ing goober. The man with Donald Trump posters hanging on his walls is now calling a Trump suggested precaution "socalist"
Dawg, did you happen to see the seating arrangements at trumps press briefings? You do realize that was "socialist distancing" right.
Youve all just selectively forgotten that Trump approved the stay at home orders and social distancing...
the rona is definitely over. i know the news was complaining about those protesters wanting to go back to work just 2 weeks ago saying that it would spread the virus. i didnt see a single news cast or social distancing karen mention that over the weekend. i guess its done.
What a ****ing goober. The man with Donald Trump posters hanging on his walls is now calling a Trump suggested precaution "socalist"
Dawg, did you happen to see the seating arrangements at trumps press briefings? You do realize that was "socialist distancing" right.
Youve all just selectively forgotten that Trump approved the stay at home orders and social distancing...
Social distancing and masks and basic precautions are so mid-May. The pandemic is over and thousands of people can now congregate with or without masks - it doesn't matter.
You and the other folks begging Trump to lock you in your homes are now all-in on obliterating social distancing requirements. Surely the virus is gone and we won't have mass outbreaks and more dead people from these mass gatherings, since you guys are the authority on the virus and are A-OK with these gatherings.
These sports leagues should get going ASAP and put fans in the stands. The threat is over!
Another 750 Pneumonia deaths in the last 2 weeks in Florida. About 3 months worth under normal circumstance. Florida now has twice as many pneumonia deaths as any year ever and we arent even halfway through 2020.
Only 350 Coronavirus deaths in the past two weeks though so at least covid is under control but this Pneumonia outbreak is crazy.
Only 350 Coronavirus deaths in the past two weeks though so at least covid is under control but this Pneumonia outbreak is crazy.
So a sudden increase in testing has confirmed this post from before the case count boom.
People were dying of covid in these states and the states werent testing so their numbers looked good. As soon as they started testing the reality showed through in each of the three states I mentioned. These pneumonia deaths were/are covid deaths.
California now has over 10k pneumonia deaths.
Florida has about 7k
Texas has 6k
23k pneumonia deaths in three states with only 11k covid deaths. Weird.
The irony of this 'pneumonia' outbreak is that the Trumpsters spent the Spring proclaiming that 'those libs' were playing funny with the virus death numbers.
