Ready for the clown show debate tonight?
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I got bad news!
There are 2 more debates!
I think Melania & Bill left at the same time for 30 min during the debate, Secret Service cannot confirm their locations during the debate!
There are 2 more debates!
I think Melania & Bill left at the same time for 30 min during the debate, Secret Service cannot confirm their locations during the debate!
Trump would lose a pay to play debate in humiliating fashion. Yea and go ahead and try to compare foundations. Good luck.
How wou
So he bought politicians by donating g to their campaigns, 100% legal, if the politicians did anything to repay him, that is on them. Now compare that to selling the office of Secretary of State. I'm sure in your mind that is okay.
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I'll take a do nothing politician over the absolute crazy that comes out of his "gut/heart."
I mean, I get it. HRC is the worst of them. But good gracious. That man is an unstable coke head.
I would hope he is paying as little as he can in taxes. If he is not taking advantage of EVERY legal deduction, he is an idiot.
I was not aware trump had a charity, He gives to them.. What is his non profit called??
A good charity passes thru 70% or more of what they take in, The Clintons pass thru under 30%.
If she was a do nothing politician I might vote for her. Problem is she does all the wrong things as a politician.
One Foundation was involved with brokering the sale of US uranium to Russia, via a Canadian shell company, which paid a Foundation family member huge sums of money afterwards, that required approval from the sitting US Secretary of State who happened to also be a family member of the Foundation's namesake.
Can you guess which this is?
I'm a pro-military fiscal conservative and I didn't see it that way. Trump was terrible, didn't answer the questions, no substance.
Both of these candidates have made some pretty poor choices in both words and actions. Even the best make mistakes. Question is, who do I believe can take lessons learned from mistakes and force positive change for this country. The foundations, special interests, lack of a balanced budget are just terrible right now. I see both positives and negatives with each candidate, but as far as who I thought won the debate last night, Clinton hands down.
No one knows what Trump means, but he's provocative. He gets the people going.
It's called the Trump Foundation and he hasn't donated to it since 2008. I'm not aware that they've actually paid out anything in legitimate program expenses, but it's a good shield for Trump's tax fraud.
And while I support him using the law to his advantage, I do not believe a man who claims to make $600M+ should be able to pay zero in income taxes, especially when he is as unphilanthropic as Drumpf. And yet here he is claiming that the rich need more tax breaks!! A man who admittedly pays no taxes asking for tax breaks. Wow.
Not Trump.
Trump would only sell Trump Uranium. The best uranium, tremendous uranium, believe me.
I'm not a Trump supporter but this is an extremely simpleton way of looking at his tax plan. I've never once heard him say that "he" needs more tax breaks- you do realize there are wealthy people beyond Trump right?
His Corporate Tax plan is also infinitely better than Hillary's. Her plan is to yet again view corporations as evil, tax them even more, then try to scream at them and shame them when they dare to move to a lower tax country. His plan lowers the rate to 15% and offers a repatriation incentive to bring offshore money back home.
One plan is an actual growth based, incentive based plan that would bring new capital back to the country. The other plan is more of the same- screaming for companies to pay more in taxes while demanding they stop moving to countries like freaking Canada that tax companies lower rates.
I never considered this. Would Trump immediately start rebranding DC? Would it become the District of Trump? Would Arlington become Trump National Cemetery? Would the military drive Trump-Vees?
Funny I live in New York now. I can't walk around the city without running into a military monument that didn't have a Trump plaque on it. The Vietnam veterans memorial by the financial district has a plaque stating "Special benefactor" with Trumps name. I guess he did that before Hillary decided to be a New Yorker.
Most of you who think Trump is an idiot are living proof that advertising works. Hillary can go in the mud and is celebrated, If Trump does it and he is not presidential.
The debate was over when Trump said " Hillary you have been in politics for nearly 30 years, why are you just now getting these ideas?" It does not matter what happened after that, it's all political speak and if Hillary was worth a damn politically she would have more than just words to show of.
No shit there are wealthy people beyond Trump. His tax plan is more than just corporate tax reform (which is really just spitting into the wind as far as trying to mess with overall tax revenue, as corporate taxes only account for about 11% of the overall tax revenue) though. He advocates a reduction of taxes on the wealthiest as well, compacting the tax brackets in an awful manner and lowering the top rate from 39.6% to 33%. I say awful because the leaps in tax rate compared to income between tax brackets make getting a raise from one tax bracket to the next an actual decrease in take-home pay, unless you increase your salary by 18% at the $75K level or increase your salary by 12% at the $225K level. It's actually a huge hit to the upward mobility of the middle class.
Corporate tax reform is spitting in the wind? It's 11% yet it's one of the main reasons that companies are basing their HQs in Canada, Ireland, UK, Singapore, etc.
Your last part makes no sense. His plan calls for fewer tax brackets and a reduction in deductions; the latter part would NOT make it detrimental to get a raise into another tax bracket.
it simplifies the taxes, so by your logic if you have 8 tax brackets and they bump 6% that is better? Anytime the government gets less taxes and has to be smart with the money they get, that is an improvement.you focus on taxes paid, to improve the economy you should focus on government spends.
They are not bringing the money back.
BTW, most of the corporations pay 0% in taxes, 15% is not going to make a difference unless it is a flat 15% (no discounts for R&D or anything else).
EDIT: I am wrong. It's not a full take of everything, just the amounts within the bracket.
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The economy grows when the people drive it by buying things, not when the government spends less. If the last 8 years (and the recovery from the Great Depression) have taught you anything it's that government spending actually helps spur this. Without a strong middle class willing to spend money, the economy will sputter.
I am hoping you know how the brackets work:
Couple with taxable income (after deductions) of $74,999 would pay: 0.12*($74,999) = $8999.88 in taxes and take $65,999.12 home (minus other taxes and fees)
Couple with taxable income of $75,001 would pay: 0.12*($75,000) + 0.25*($1) = $9,000.25 in taxes and take $66,000.75 home (minus other taxes and fees)
The $2 difference ends up being a $1.63 take home increase. Every $1 on top of that means $0.75 take home increase (I know with Medicare, SS, etc is less)
Ah, ok. I'm wrong. I thought it was all or nothing. My bad. Still, a huge jump and make those who pay taxes on < $10K (I know it's not a very large number because most of those get exemptions to not pay any taxes or even receive EIC) go from 10% to 12% isn't great either.
I would like to know where he is going to get the money that is not going to be collected by going from 39.5% to 33%. Poor single people with taxable income between $1 and about $12,500 would pay more but I don't think it is going to be enough (sarcasm)
Same for corporate taxes.
The most popular answer every time top-end tax cuts are suggested is that more people on the lower end of the spectrum will have more income because more jobs will be created and then pay more taxes to make up for the shortfall. The problem is that has never come true.
Really? Because from 1985 until 1998, the top marginal rates fell by the largest amount in US history and this period also featured some of the most robust job growth in US history, paired with one of the few times when income inequality actually decreased due to the growth rate and massive constriction in the labor market.
We also had a balanced budget in the 90's with a Republican Congress and Clinton WH during that same period.
And that also correlated to a huge drop in interest rates from the FED, which allowed more liquidity and investment - and the government was spend happy in the beginning of that cycle. I don't think you can point to the drop in tax rates as the lone factor.
No, but you just made a definitive statement of "that has never been true" when I just showed you that it's most certainly been true. Changes to the tax code don't existing in a vacuum, of course they're coupled with other factors in the economy. Just like when people falsely claim that the top marginal rate increase 3 years ago is responsible for tax revenue growth, when in fact, it's been determined that growth is thanks to growth and higher incomes.
Actually, your example isn't true. The top marginal tax rate's biggest drop was in 1982 when it went from 69% to 50% and had a limited short-term effect on the economy (GDP growth rate was actually negative in 1982). It fell another 11% in 1987 and another 10% in 1988, but then went back up 11% in 1993 - during really the start of the 90's boon (there was a mild recession in 1990-91) and it stayed there until 2001, during the longest non-wartime sustained growth of our economy.
Top marginal tax rate by year: http://webarchive.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/Content/PDF/toprate_historical.pdf
US GDP by year: https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543
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EXACTLY. I honestly have NO idea how any educated person can think Trump won that. He says nothing of substance, talks in circles, loses his train of thought half the time and then yells at you when you try to correct him.
Look, as you all know, I am a liberal. However, I can respect a conservative view point, IF it is an educated, well thought out point of view. Conservatives think a different way than I do and that's fine, different opinions are good for the country. He has NO substance at all though. He covers his ears and just screams whenever you try to tell him he is wrong (when he is, factually wrong).
Anytime Trump is asked anything: "Listen, the past 30 years have been bad, really bad. I know, I have properties there. I have a friend who knows some people, a great friend. I did great things, ask my friend. We're gonna do great things, amazing things."
I can respect Paul Ryan, McCain, even Bush. How anyone backs this clown of a man blows my mind.
Where do you get your facts from. This is the first presidency in American History that GDP has not reached 3% so whatever the government is doing is not working. The average actual paid tax rate for corporations in 2012 was at 12.6% after deductions. You need to do your own research rather than listening to msnbc.
