Recruiting is turrible!

[Shark59]

I believe one metric that could be used for our recruits would be character. Say what you want about other attributes but overall, our players show phenomenal character throughout their careers. VERY RARELY do we have discipline problems and I’d put our graduation rate and team GPA up against any of our closest rivals. They work super hard, achieve tremendous things on the field, AND they get a degree! Give me these guys every day over the 4-5* primadonnas that cause constant turmoil and are all about “ME”. Our identity is all about the team, and as a team, WE KICK ASS!!!

 

[hemightbejeremy]

What does that mean “it’s July”. If we are going to take the next step we need to recruit well all year round. Look at the top programs and where their 2020 class is right now.

It means

a) no commit has even stepped on a field for a senior season
b) ratings will change
c) kids will decommit (usf’s prized “4 star”)
d) others will commit
e) kids will be processed
f) transfers aren’t factored in
g) silent commits (like 2 of UCFs top recruits last year in Gabriel and Morris-Brash) aren’t factored in until the last day
h) rankings are inherently flawed anyway. Recruits outside of 5 star and top 4 star are rated based on offers and going to a big named school. Which is why there isn’t much fluctuation year to year for teams in the rankings.
i) the recruiting agencies ranked a fake player as a high 3 star.
j) given everything else, UCF has ranked 1st or 2nd among G5 schools in average recruit ranking each of the past 6 years. 2 classes from 3 different coaches. Not any change.
k) Heupel said he doesn’t rely on recruiting site star rankings. Which is why kids have been offered and committed who have been to camps and have no ranking (until they magically become a 3 star after committing)
l) even if kids sign in a good class there is no guarantee they enroll (see 9 players at UF this year)
m) UCFs top classes historically have featured big name commits that did next to nothing (Cordarrian Richardson comes to mind)
n) UCF has won 20 consecutive games against G5 teams. I think their system is working fine.

 

[SCKnight]

It means

a) no commit has even stepped on a field for a senior season
b) ratings will change
c) kids will decommit (usf’s prized “4 star”)
d) others will commit
e) kids will be processed
f) transfers aren’t factored in
g) silent commits (like 2 of UCFs top recruits last year in Gabriel and Morris-Brash) aren’t factored in until the last day
h) rankings are inherently flawed anyway. Recruits outside of 5 star and top 4 star are rated based on offers and going to a big named school. Which is why there isn’t much fluctuation year to year for teams in the rankings.
i) the recruiting agencies ranked a fake player as a high 3 star.
j) given everything else, UCF has ranked 1st or 2nd among G5 schools in average recruit ranking each of the past 6 years. 2 classes from 3 different coaches. Not any change.
k) Heupel said he doesn’t rely on recruiting site star rankings. Which is why kids have been offered and committed who have been to camps and have no ranking (until they magically become a 3 star after committing)
l) even if kids sign in a good class there is no guarantee they enroll (see 9 players at UF this year)
m) UCFs top classes historically have featured big name commits that did next to nothing (Cordarrian Richardson comes to mind)
n) UCF has won 20 consecutive games against G5 teams. I think their system is working fine.

o) FirmBizzle just put out his recruiting is terrible thread and some time is necessary to get the mojo flowing.

 

[UCFootball14]

It means

a) no commit has even stepped on a field for a senior season
b) ratings will change
c) kids will decommit (usf’s prized “4 star”)
d) others will commit
e) kids will be processed
f) transfers aren’t factored in
g) silent commits (like 2 of UCFs top recruits last year in Gabriel and Morris-Brash) aren’t factored in until the last day
h) rankings are inherently flawed anyway. Recruits outside of 5 star and top 4 star are rated based on offers and going to a big named school. Which is why there isn’t much fluctuation year to year for teams in the rankings.
i) the recruiting agencies ranked a fake player as a high 3 star.
j) given everything else, UCF has ranked 1st or 2nd among G5 schools in average recruit ranking each of the past 6 years. 2 classes from 3 different coaches. Not any change.
k) Heupel said he doesn’t rely on recruiting site star rankings. Which is why kids have been offered and committed who have been to camps and have no ranking (until they magically become a 3 star after committing)
l) even if kids sign in a good class there is no guarantee they enroll (see 9 players at UF this year)
m) UCFs top classes historically have featured big name commits that did next to nothing (Cordarrian Richardson comes to mind)
n) UCF has won 20 consecutive games against G5 teams. I think their system is working fine.

Kind of disappointed you didn’t go through the whole alphabet.

 

[Knight Strength]

Kind of disappointed you didn’t go through the whole alphabet.

Let's keep this going!

 

[firm_bizzle]

o) FirmBizzle just put out his recruiting is terrible thread and some time is necessary to get the mojo flowing.

We are only 6 weeks in and this is probably our best year yet.

 

[UCF Hawk]

................."UCF's recruiting department is under much better management than before. What was primarily a two-man show under GOL and Frost has expanded to a bigger staff under Heupel, including the addition of what amounts to a full-time events coordinator in addition to those with more of a scouting background."

 

[Wings0fred]

................."UCF's recruiting department is under much better management than before. What was primarily a two-man show under GOL and Frost has expanded to a bigger staff under Heupel, including the addition of what amounts to a full-time events coordinator in addition to those with more of a scouting background."

Jesus, that was some fast action! Good work, everyone!

 

[G-Knight]

 

[Yaes]

2020 TOP 245 FOOTBALL RECRUITS IN FLORIDA
South Florida
Rank Name Pos Ht/Wt Stars/Rating
73 Jordan Smith DUAL 6-1 / 180 3 star 87 National 740 State 104
99 Marquez Bell WR 6-0 / 160 3 star 87 National 708 State 99
89 Tyler Berrong OLB 6-2 / 295 3 star 87 National 528 State 78
102 Tyree Saunders WR 6-0 / 174 3 star 86 National 767 State 108
109 M. M-Lewis OG 6-3 / 298 3 star 85 National 488 State 74
152 Khristopher Love OG 6-3 / 315 3 star 84 National NA State 169
160 Levontae Camiel OLB 6-1 / 200 3 star 83 National NA State 235
168 Mac Harris S 6-0 / 199 3 star 83 National NA State 237
170 Brian Battie RB 5-7.5 / 170 3 star 83 National NA State 238

UCF
Rank Name Pos Ht/Wt Stars/Rating
116 Mark Pitts OT 6-6 / 290 3 star 85 National NA State 172
180 Delonus Kabir OG 6-3 / 305 3 star 82 National NA State 239
182 Corey Thornton CB 6-1 / 170 3 star 82 National NA State 224
183 Choute Kervins SDE 6-3 / 251 3 star 82 National NA State 225
190 Quadric Bullard S 6-0 / 161 3 star 82 National NA State 243
203 Patrick Barnett OT 6-6 / 305 3 star 82 National NA State 250
212 Jordan Davis TE 6-4 / 225 3 star 81 National NA State 231

 

[Flem3000]

2020 TOP 245 FOOTBALL RECRUITS IN FLORIDA
South Florida
Rank Name Pos Ht/Wt Stars/Rating
73 Jordan Smith DUAL 6-1 / 180 3 star 87 National 740 State 104
99 Marquez Bell WR 6-0 / 160 3 star 87 National 708 State 99
89 Tyler Berrong OLB 6-2 / 295 3 star 87 National 528 State 78
102 Tyree Saunders WR 6-0 / 174 3 star 86 National 767 State 108
109 M. M-Lewis OG 6-3 / 298 3 star 85 National 488 State 74
152 Khristopher Love OG 6-3 / 315 3 star 84 National NA State 169
160 Levontae Camiel OLB 6-1 / 200 3 star 83 National NA State 235
168 Mac Harris S 6-0 / 199 3 star 83 National NA State 237
170 Brian Battie RB 5-7.5 / 170 3 star 83 National NA State 238

UCF
Rank Name Pos Ht/Wt Stars/Rating
116 Mark Pitts OT 6-6 / 290 3 star 85 National NA State 172
180 Delonus Kabir OG 6-3 / 305 3 star 82 National NA State 239
182 Corey Thornton CB 6-1 / 170 3 star 82 National NA State 224
183 Choute Kervins SDE 6-3 / 251 3 star 82 National NA State 225
190 Quadric Bullard S 6-0 / 161 3 star 82 National NA State 243
203 Patrick Barnett OT 6-6 / 305 3 star 82 National NA State 250
212 Jordan Davis TE 6-4 / 225 3 star 81 National NA State 231

I don't like this format. Can you please put in an Excel spreadsheet?

 

[WhiteandSlatonWVU]

When will you guys stop paying attention to stars? Its a worthless tool to drawl attention to recruiting sites. They consistently under and over rate. We have future NFL guys that are 2 stars (Schneider, Clark, Grant).

 

[Knight Strength]

I'm one of the few on here who will speak up to support the start system. But the value is in its ability to tell a 3* from a 4* or 5* (most of the time). The difference between a composite .8500 and .8400 is absolutely insignificant. This is why I don't sweat our in conference rank as long as were top three (unless of course we get blown out by a class full of 4* but that won't happen).

 

[Gwoz]

When will you guys stop paying attention to stars? Its a worthless tool to drawl attention to recruiting sites. They consistently under and over rate. We have future NFL guys that are 2 stars (Schneider, Clark, Grant).

Saying recruiting rankings has little/no correlation to future success is as ridiculous as saying its 100% direct correlation.

2012/2013 were the worst recruiting years, which did translate to 2014-2016 performance.

Again too early to tell, but there really is no reason why the team should lag behind in the conference with fictitious stars or not.

 

[SCKnight]

Saying recruiting rankings has little/no correlation to future success is as ridiculous as saying its 100% direct correlation.

2012/2013 were the worst recruiting years, which did translate to 2014-2016 performance.

Again too early to tell, but there really is no reason why the team should lag behind in the conference with fictitious stars or not.

recruiting rankings has little/no correlation to future success

 

[Knight Strength]

From Herda et al., 2009:

Conclusion
In general, there were significant relationships between the 2002 RIV and SCO
AVESTAR and TOTPTS and the Jeff Sagarin end-of-season ratings and total
wins for years 2002 through 2006. In addition, there were significant
relationships between the 2002 Jeff Sagarin end-of-season ratings and total wins
on 2003 RIV and SCO AVESTAR and TOTPTS. These results indicated that
recruiting is an important factor in a team’s success that predicted up to 45% of
the variance in end-of-season ratings and total wins. However, there was a large
portion of the variance in the end-of-season ratings and total wins that was
unaccounted for by recruiting services. Thus, there are many other factors besides
recruiting classes that may contribute the success of an NCAA football team. In
addition, up to 51% of the variance in RIV and SCO AVESTAR and TOTPTS
was predicted by end-of-season ratings or total wins from the previous season,
which may indicate that more successful seasons yield better subsequent
recruiting classes. Future research should examine the additive effect of
successive recruiting classes on end-of-season ratings. Furthermore, there may be
differences in the strength of relationships among different conferences, such as
conferences that are considered more prestigious (Big 10, SEC, etc.) may have
better relationships between recruiting rankings and end-of-season ratings than
the smaller, mid-major conferences (MAC, Sun Belt, etc.).

 

[Yaes]

I'm one of the few on here who will speak up to support the start system. But the value is in its ability to tell a 3* from a 4* or 5* (most of the time). The difference between a composite .8500 and .8400 is absolutely insignificant. This is why I don't sweat our in conference rank as long as were top three (unless of course we get blown out by a class full of 4* but that won't happen).

But I don't believe any school in our conference should be out recruiting us for
the top 245 football recruits in Florida in 2020.

 

[Yaes]

Saying recruiting rankings has little/no correlation to future success is as ridiculous as saying its 100% direct correlation.

2012/2013 were the worst recruiting years, which did translate to 2014-2016 performance.

Again too early to tell, but there really is no reason why the team should lag behind in the conference with fictitious stars or not.

Totally Agree.

 

[Gwoz]

recruiting rankings has little/no correlation to future success

Yup, sure. Just like the argument we see, so and so 4/5 star was a bust so all of them are busts. And so and so is a 2 star and now playing in the NFL so the star system is a joke. There is always outliers, but the overall system does work. No one seemed to be upset with the system the last few years when UCF was leading the conference.

 

[Wings0fred]

Yup, sure. Just like the argument we see, so and so 4/5 star was a bust so all of them are busts. And so and so is a 2 star and now playing in the NFL so the star system is a joke. There is always outliers, but the overall system does work. No one seemed to be upset with the system the last few years when UCF was leading the conference.

USF was

 

[SCKnight]

Yup, sure. Just like the argument we see, so and so 4/5 star was a bust so all of them are busts. And so and so is a 2 star and now playing in the NFL so the star system is a joke. There is always outliers, but the overall system does work. No one seemed to be upset with the system the last few years when UCF was leading the conference.

Look there are a handful of standout athletes that everyone knows have the potential. The rest is all shades of grey. 2 star three star four star. All pretty much a crap shoot and a system to generate clicks and talking points. For UCF there is no correlation between stars and success. Maybe for Alabama and Ohio State who are getting those stand out athletes, For most of the rest of the FBS it is just subjective crap

 

[Ucfmikes]

We probably have one of the top classes in the country right now outside of the elite P5 programs

Any UCF coach reading this would probably smile

 

[UCF Tampa Knight]

The thing with star rankings is a lot of time they are reflective of someones offers. You're not going to be able to tell how good a kid is or how much heart he has by watching a 10 minute highlight video from their junior year of high school. I've noticed on several occasions where a player rating went up just because he got an offer from an elite school. There was even a fake player who was rated a 3 star because his "offer list" was impressive.

Coaches are the ultimate judge of talent and if they like a player they will offer him. This is why the star rankings are correct to an extent. There's always going to be outliers but we have to trust our coaches to identify the talent and out recruit other schools.

 

[Shark59]

I personally don’t care if every single one of our players is unranked or are only a one star, as long as we keep winning our conference and beating the SFU Cowpies!!

 

[firm_bizzle]

Yup, sure. Just like the argument we see, so and so 4/5 star was a bust so all of them are busts. And so and so is a 2 star and now playing in the NFL so the star system is a joke. There is always outliers, but the overall system does work. No one seemed to be upset with the system the last few years when UCF was leading the conference.

Yup, sure. Just like the argument we see, so and so 4/5 star was a bust so all of them are busts. And so and so is a 2 star and now playing in the NFL so the star system is a joke. There is always outliers, but the overall system does work. No one seemed to be upset with the system the last few years when UCF was leading the conference.

For the record, I've been upset every year.

 

[AAC6800]

4 and 5 stars > 2 and 3 stars. Simple math. If we're doing so good in recruiting, where are the four and five stars??............

 

[firm_bizzle]

4 and 5 stars > 2 and 3 stars. Simple math. If we're doing so good in recruiting, where are the four and five stars??............

They transfer here now.

 

[Shark59]

4 and 5 stars > 2 and 3 stars. Simple math. If we're doing so good in recruiting, where are the four and five stars??............

They’ve never been here but we’ve done ok, haven’t we? Is there any G5 that’s tearing it up with 4&5*s?

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

4 and 5 stars > 2 and 3 stars. Simple math. If we're doing so good in recruiting, where are the four and five stars??............

Sitting on the Bench at Bama, Clemson, ND etc.

 

[MBAKnight]

4 and 5 stars > 2 and 3 stars. Simple math. If we're doing so good in recruiting, where are the four and five stars??............

I don’t think most of us know how rare it is to get a 5-Star recruit... or even a 4-Star recruit for that matter. According to 2018 Rivals data, there were only 30 5-Star recruits. If the top 10, Blue Chip programs each get 3 5-Star recruits, there are none left for other programs. So what about 4-Star recruits? There were 380 in 2018, again, according to Rivals data. Breaking it down, there are roughly 50 P5 programs and it’s reasoable to say each get about 7 4-Star recruits on average (some more like Alabama who has 4-Stars on their 3 deep, and some less like Wake Forest, Rutgers, Vandy, etc). That leaves a handful of 4-Star recruits for the other 70+ programs or about <1 4-Star recruit, on average, per non-P5 team. UCF has been averaging 1-2 4-Star recruits each season for the past decade, which, relatively speaking, is strong. Until UCF moves into a P5 conference, we will continue to get many of the top-tier 3-Star recruits who are left. The P5 label is the glass ceiling UCF is up against in recruiting. Once we get that P5 label, watch out college football world! I believe this is what keeps ADDW so motivated and hungry. That’s the only think holding UCF back from taking all college athletics completely by storm.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Auburn had a bunch of 4 and 5 stars in 2017
with top 10-20 recruiting classes in the previous years.

Was anybody impressed??

Some 2-3 star UCF linebacker with 1 hand put the fear of God in them on defense, while some 3 star QB with the heart of a champion gashed them for 100 yards and picked them apart

 

[KnightLife1]

Auburn had a bunch of 4 and 5 stars in 2017
with top 10-20 recruiting classes in the previous years.

Was anybody impressed??

Some 2-3 star UCF linebacker with 1 hand put the fear of God in them on defense, while some 3 star QB with the heart of a champion gashed them for 100 yards and picked them apart

I heard about that.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Auburn had a bunch of 4 and 5 stars in 2017
with top 10-20 recruiting classes in the previous years.

Was anybody impressed??

Some 2-3 star UCF linebacker with 1 hand put the fear of God in them on defense, while some 3 star QB with the heart of a champion gashed them for 100 yards and picked them apart

2 star DB converted to LB.

 

[AAC6800]

Auburn had a bunch of 4 and 5 stars in 2017
with top 10-20 recruiting classes in the previous years.

Was anybody impressed??

Some 2-3 star UCF linebacker with 1 hand put the fear of God in them on defense, while some 3 star QB with the heart of a champion gashed them for 100 yards and picked them apart

Yeah, but I heard they didn't come to play-- they weren't up for it ....

 

[Ucfmikes]

Yeah, but I heard they didn't come to play-- they weren't up for it ....

Their 5-star, 65 yard in that game, NFL running back, was quoted that they tried

 

[Yaes]

We probably have one of the top classes in the country right now outside of the elite P5 programs

Any UCF coach reading this would probably smile

2020 FOOTBALL RECRUITING COMMITS IN AAC
AAC Rank
1 - Cincinnati --- National Rank 45
2 - Tulane --- National Rank 46
3 - Memphis --- National Rank 47
4 - USF --- National Rank 52
5 - East Carolina --- National Rank 58
6 - Temple --- National Rank 69
7 - Navy --- National Rank 83
8 - UCF --- National Rank 84
9 - SMU --- National Rank 85
10 - Houston --- National Rank 89
11 - Tulsa - National Rank 97
12 - Connecticut - National Rank 147

 

[Ucfmikes]

2020 FOOTBALL RECRUITING COMMITS IN AAC
AAC Rank
1 - Cincinnati --- National Rank 45
2 - Tulane --- National Rank 46
3 - Memphis --- National Rank 47
4 - USF --- National Rank 52
5 - East Carolina --- National Rank 58
6 - Temple --- National Rank 69
7 - Navy --- National Rank 83
8 - UCF --- National Rank 84
9 - SMU --- National Rank 85
10 - Houston --- National Rank 89
11 - Tulsa - National Rank 97
12 - Connecticut - National Rank 147

Bet you that we are in the top 20-30 in reality

Any coach who follows recruiting websites to recruit winds up fired and working for one

“They are nothing more than a fan novelty to make money”

Signed

—Blake Bortles

 

[MBAKnight]

2020 FOOTBALL RECRUITING COMMITS IN AAC
AAC Rank
1 - Cincinnati --- National Rank 45
2 - Tulane --- National Rank 46
3 - Memphis --- National Rank 47
4 - USF --- National Rank 52
5 - East Carolina --- National Rank 58
6 - Temple --- National Rank 69
7 - Navy --- National Rank 83
8 - UCF --- National Rank 84
9 - SMU --- National Rank 85
10 - Houston --- National Rank 89
11 - Tulsa - National Rank 97
12 - Connecticut - National Rank 147

These rankings are weighted by # of commits. More commits at this point equals higher rating. Said another way, a team with 18 2-Star commits and 2 3-Stars is going to be ranked higher vs a team that has 10 3-Star commits. 247 vs Rivals vs ESPN all have different ratings on the same guy. This is really a futile exercise until signing day. UCF recruiting always closes strong - Just like our team.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

These rankings are weighted by # of commits. More commits at this point equals higher rating. Said another way, a team with 18 2-Star commits and 2 3-Stars is going to be ranked higher vs a team that has 10 3-Star commits. 247 vs Rivals vs ESPN all have different ratings on the same guy. This is really a futile exercise until signing day. UCF recruiting always closes strong - Just like our team.

Average score is a little more telling. Even though that’s bias as well.

 

[Yaes]

These rankings are weighted by # of commits. More commits at this point equals higher rating. Said another way, a team with 18 2-Star commits and 2 3-Stars is going to be ranked higher vs a team that has 10 3-Star commits. 247 vs Rivals vs ESPN all have different ratings on the same guy. This is really a futile exercise until signing day. UCF recruiting always closes strong - Just like our team.

I didn't provide any stars since so many people on the sight think they are meaningless. I merely provided our ranking in the conference and nationally in answer to "We probably have one of the top classes in the country right now outside of the elite P5 programs." We don't at this time. We may certainly end up in a better position as we have in past years but this is where we stand now in the conference and nationally ---- 8th and 84th.