Rittenhouse trial is over before it begins

[sk8knight]

From the Libertarian pages ...

MSM Obsesses Over Rittenhouse While Ignoring Hero Who Stopped Mass Shooting and Was Killed by a Cop

A cop was ruled justified in killing a hero, Johnny Hurley, who stopped a mass shooting because he reasonably believed the hero was a threat.

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Man, that’s a tough situation. Absolutely tragic.

 

[Crazyhole]

The woke will burn down multiple cities. Riots are cool again.

Only liberal cities, so I'm cool with it.

 

[Crazyhole]

 

[Crazyhole]

 

[Crazyhole]

Convenient timing

 

[sk8knight]

The judge is going to wait until after the jury gives it's verdict. If the jury votes to acquit, then double jeopardy attaches and Rittenhouse cannot be tried again and no appeal. If they don't or it's a mixed bag, then the judge can rule on this or set aside the verdict.

 

[sk8knight]

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The prosecutor intentionally infringed upon the defendant's 5th amendment rights, intentionally ignored a judge's lawful exclusion of evidence, intentionally withheld important video evidence (that the prosecution used as the foundation of their argument at closing) from the defense until after closing, and intentionally misrepresented the laws to the jury in this trial in their closing arguments.

Yet some people are sure as the sky is blue that the judge is the one in this trial that is acting like a banana republic dictator.

 

[DaShuckster]

some people are sure as the sky is blue that the judge is the one in this trial that is acting like a banana republic dictator.

If the prosecution withheld evidence, there should be consequences. But let's not act like this backwater judge has been a beacon of fairness and integrity in this trial.

 

[UCFBS]

If the prosecution withheld evidence, there should be consequences. But let's not act like this backwater judge has been a beacon of fairness and integrity in this trial.

No, he very much has been beyond fair. The media demonizations are incredulous.

 

[DaShuckster]

Unless he is woke?

Woke? You mean like UCFBS and the snowflake crowd complaining about A COMEDIAN telling a joke about a conservative Black politician sporting an AR-15? Or is that not the 'woke' you're talking about?

No, he very much has been beyond fair. The media demonizations are incredulous.

Yeah, redefining what the word, victim, means is super-fair.

 

[Crazyhole]

What deterrent exists today to keep people from rioting, looting, and committing arson?

 

[DaShuckster]

What deterrent exists today to keep people from rioting, looting, and committing arson?

I can say with absolute certainty that an immature, 17 year-old vigilante -- sporting an AR-15 -- is never going to be part of the answer.

 

[Crazyhole]

I can say with absolute certainty that an immature, 17 year-old vigilante -- sporting an AR-15 -- is never going to be part of the answer.

If the police don't do it, I can say with certainty that there are going to be a lot more Kyle Rittenhouses.

 

[DaShuckster]

If the police don't do it, I can say with certainty that there are going to be a lot more Kyle Rittenhouses.

EXACTLY. We agree. When other teenage Rambo-wanna-bes see this kid as "a hero," it's inevitable.

Where we differ is when posters like you and KNIGHTTIME actually view that scary prospect as a good thing.

 

[Crazyhole]

EXACTLY. We agree. When other teenage Rambo-wanna-bes see this kid as "a hero," it's inevitable.

Where we differ is when posters like you and KNIGHTTIME actually view that scary prospect as a good thing.

I dont view it as a good thing but it isn't scary to me either. I have no plans to loot, riot, or set businesses on fire so I'm good.

 

[DaShuckster]

I dont view it as a good thing but it isn't scary to me either. I have no plans to loot, riot, or set businesses on fire so I'm good.

Don't be a skate boarder either. But I guess collateral damage is to be expected, right?

 

[Crazyhole]

Don't be a skate boarder either. But I guess collateral damage is to be expected, right?

If I tried to bash someone's head in with a skateboard, I'd probably deserve whatever I got.

 

[DaShuckster]

If I tried to bash someone's head in with a skateboard, I'd probably deserve whatever I got.

Was it smart? Nope, but people have been known to attempt heroic things in order to stop a bad guy.

That poor dude had nothing but his skate board to stop an active shooter sporting an AR-15. May this would-be hero rest in peace.

 

[Crazyhole]

Was it smart? Nope, but people have been known to attempt heroic things in order to stop a bad guy.

That poor dude had nothing but his skate board to stop an active shooter sporting an AR-15. May this would-be hero rest in peace.

Trying to assault someone that is retreating towards police is heroic? The guy didn't even know what happened but he still tried to kill the kid.

 

[UCFBS]

Woke? You mean like UCFBS and the snowflake crowd complaining about A COMEDIAN telling a joke about a conservative Black politician sporting an AR-15?

Has nothing to do with 'complaints.'

It has to do with the fact that one cannot stereotype African-Americans if one is a Conservative, but one can stereotype African-Americans if one is a Progressive. And, thus, this is why Progressives are losing African-Americans, not gaining them. Same with Hispanic-Americans, let alone Native-Americans who are still reeling from 8 years of excuses made by the Mass Media for Elizabeth Warren.

I'm just a messenger.

Or is that not the 'woke' you're talking about?
Yeah, redefining what the word, victim, means is super-fair.

Did you even read what the Judge stated? If the defense could show, and the prosecution could not disprove, the people shot were engaged in arson, assualt, battery and other crimes, they could not be called victims.

That's like saying a home invader is a victim if you shoot them. It's literally 1:1. This is what scares me most about the Mass and Social Media ... we're empowering criminals. Everyone needs to stop acting like these people shot were victims ... they were not.

That was the judge's direct advisement, that they had to show they were or weren't, not that he was saying they could not be.

 

[DaShuckster]

Has nothing to do with 'complaints.'

It has to do with taking A JOKE seriously. Apparently 'one cannot stereotype a conservative' but, on the other hand, people complaining about Dave Chappell's transgender joke are part of the 'woke mob.'

I'm just a messenger.

Most folks refer to that as being a hypocrite.

Did you even read what the Judge stated? If the defense could show, and the prosecution could not disprove, the people shot were engaged in arson, assualt, battery and other crimes, they could not be called victims.

Hmmm...last I checked, the definition of the word, victim, has diddily-squat to do with being engaged in a crime.

 

[UCFBS]

Spoiler: This doesn't matter as much

It has to do with taking A JOKE seriously. Apparently 'one cannot stereotype a conservative' but, on the other hand, people complaining about Dave Chappell's transgender joke are part of the 'woke mob.'

No one is calling for the end of any leftist's career or life or their censorship.
The same cannot be said about Dave Chappelle.

That's pretty much the Conservative v. Progressive reality today.
And I'm not a conservative, just a Libertarian messenger.

Most folks refer to that as being a hypocrite.

If people were calling for the destruction or death of someone from the Conservative right, I'd call them out just the same.

But we live in a world where it's the Progressives doing exactly that.

Hmmm...last I checked, the definition of the word, victim, has diddily-squat to do with being engaged in a crime.

You seriously need to talk to a lawyer, because you're dead wrong here.

Because in most trials, the state/prosecution is limited in where they can use the term 'victim,' and definitely not when it comes to those in the middle of the violation of someone else's property, civil rights ... let alone life!

Just a simple Google search turns up this ...

https://law.lclark.edu/live/files/21940-use-of-the-term-victim-in-crim-proc11th-edpdf

The Judge was being extremely neutral because he did not say the prosecution couldn't use the term, he said the prosecution couldn't use the term if it was easily proven they were engaged in arson, assault and other crimes, especially against the defendant.

In this case, the defendant was claiming self-defense, and the prosecution utterly failed to showcase anything but confirmed assault with its own witnesses, video and even the FBI IR coverage of the entire event! They couldn't find a single case of video evidence, or other statements from the witnesses who didn't have to end up commiting perjury themselves when cross examined, that Rittenhouse ever assulted.

In fact, all the prosecution did end up doing is proving how all of the people shot were actually attacking the defendant in every, single case! With its own, state witnesses!

The Judge was way, way extra-neutral in this regard ... legally. Heck, even CNN and a few other legal experts pointed this out!

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

I don't understand this point at all.

If that's your evaluation, then the Mass Media as well as people as yourself are in the same boat. Because you fear AR15 style semi-auto rifles because of how they look, not what they actually do little differently than any other firearm.

This is why I consider people like yourself braindead. You ignore everyone commiting violent crimes, felons with bipolar issues who acosted and even assaulted people, even other people armed. You only care about this kid, and he's 'gotta pay' no matter what, no matter the facts.



You can thank the prosecution for that. Although ... should have it ever gone to trial in the first place? Quit blaming the judge for a trial that likely should have never happened.

A rifle is much more accurate than a hand gun....are you brain dead?

 

[UCFBS]

A rifle is much more accurate than a hand gun....are you brain dead?

At point blank range?! With someone not wearing body armor?

Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCC), especially 10mm, but even .45 ACP's cross-section while subsonic, can be very, very deadly ... especially with the pleathora of hollow point designs, which are lacking in .223/5.56mm, including here (Rittenhouse did not have HP).

One has to wonder if the 3rd man assulting Rittenhouse with the pistol would have lost his arm had it been a 10mm, .45 ACP or even a good 9mm HP. Especially since a PCC is less bulky and more easy to 'bring on target' at point blank range.

We're not engaging at range. We're also talking a bullet with a very small cross-section. That's ideal for punching through body armor with limited energy, but very poor for imparting that energy into flesh, especially in a non-HP bullet.

 

[DaShuckster]

A rifle is much more accurate than a hand gun....are you brain dead?

Not only that, but if you were at the protest and you saw a guy carrying around an AR-15, what is your first reaction?

THAT's the issue that the Rittenhouse defenders refuse to acknowledge: Carting around an AR-15 rifle to a protest is as provocative as it gets. You freak out all of the people around you with a deadly weapon like that -- but when the people react, you THEN claim self-defense?

 

[UCFBS]

Not only that, but if you were at the protest

Define 'protest'? Because if people are burning things, assulting and battering store owners and countless other, clearly criminal violence ...

and you saw a guy carrying around an AR-15

BTW, it was NOT just Rittenhouse.

There were dozens with long rifles. Most who were on the ground (and not 'overwatch') were 'acosted' and even 'false stepped' by Rosenbaum who threatened to kill any of them who were alone. Everyone, even the state's witnesses, said he was belligerent.

He finally got Rittenhouse alone.

, what is your first reaction?

Stand behind them? That's what I do when I see militia.

I mean, I've even stood behind Black Panthers before.

THAT's the issue that the Rittenhouse defenders refuse to acknowledge: Carting around an AR-15 rifle to a protest is as provocative as it gets.

He wasn't protesting. He was guarding properties with dozens of others. He was not the only person rendering aid. So ... haul all of them off to jail then?!

He was just the one Rosenbaum finally cornered.

You freak out all of the people around you with a deadly weapon like that

Their ignorance.

Rittenhouse never pointed or threatened anyone with the weapon. Open carry is open carry. It's not assault until it's pointed, unless used in self-defense.

So ... again ... arrest everyone with a weapon?! What about the fool who was running around with his assault weapon, a semi-automatic pistol, in his hand, and then pointed at Rittenhouse?

You never point a weapon until you intend to fire it! It is NOT like in the movies. NOT even cops do that!

-- but when the people react, you THEN claim self-defense?

Rosenbaum was going after everyone. Seriously, you're defending a bi-polar man who was acosting, assaulting and wanted to beat people.

Stop, just stop. You've obviously never been in one of these situations. I have. The first thing I do is seek out the organized, responsibly acting militia and stand behind them.

This just showcases the mass ignorance and resulting narrative.

 

[DaShuckster]

He wasn't protesting. He was guarding properties with dozens of others.

Guarding properties? WTF? When the deadly incidents took place he was walking down the street with his trusty AR-15 assault rifle.

Their ignorance.

Yeah, it was everybody who was freaked out about some kid carrying an AR-15 rife. Those morons should have known that open carry means open carry.

Stop, just stop. You've obviously never been in one of these situations. I have. The first thing I do is seek out the organized, responsibly acting militia and stand behind them.

Stupid me. My reaction would have been to get the hell out of there!!!

This just showcases the mass ignorance and resulting narrative.

Yeah, ignorant me for criticizing a teenage kid for provoking deadly violence by coming on to the scene with a semi-automatic assault rife. What was I thinking??!?

 

[UCFKnightfan08]

Was it smart? Nope, but people have been known to attempt heroic things in order to stop a bad guy.

That poor dude had nothing but his skate board to stop an active shooter sporting an AR-15. May this would-be hero rest in peace.

Holy shit I knew you were a moron but you’ve outdone yourself here.

If he was an “active shooter” just looking to kill people, he would’ve killed a lot more than only the people that attacked him. The “poor dude” with the stake board was a POS that got what can be expected when you hit someone in the head when they have a gun.

 

[UCFBS]

Holy shit I knew you were a moron but you’ve outdone yourself here.

If he was an “active shooter” just looking to kill people, he would’ve killed a lot more than only the people that attacked him. The “poor dude” with the stake board was a POS that got what can be expected when you hit someone in the head when they have a gun.

Twice no less. Rittenhouse felt the first one, and when the person didn't stop ... well ...

The vigilantees were the half-dozen people who attacked and either battered Rittenhouse or pointed an 'Assault Weapon' (semi-automatic pistol) at him.

 

[UCFBS]

Guarding properties? WTF? When the deadly incidents took place he was walking down the street with his trusty AR-15 assault rifle.

Okay, starting right now, you need to turn off the TV and your 'echo chamber,' and actually watch video and read up! Seriously ... a half-dozen people on the ground with AR-style semi-autos were actively assisting people. Another half-dozen were on 'over-watch' on buildings and saw most everything.

The people on-the-ground also helped the people who had been assulted and battered. Rittenhouse was not the only person attacked! Stop with this 'protest' bullshit that has nothing to do with the problem here. We're NOT talking aobut the peaceful protestors, and yes, there were many!

We're talking about the people assaulting others! Those people were attacking and battering people! So much so that someone on overwatch even fired warning shots at one point.

In all cases, they all ignored Rosenbaum as he accosted and false-stepped people, even the state's witnesses. Rosenbaum repeatedly threatened everyone, repeatedly, before that. And as even the state's witnesses admitted, multiple no less, Rosenbaum 'cornered' Rittenhouse, and went for his gun.

This is what I don't understand. You're defending a bi-polar kiddie rapist who did not repent, and was still in non-compliance, and went from his psychiatrist to the 'party.' Had this guy taken Rittenhouse's weapon, what do you think would have happened?

Yeah, it was everybody who was freaked out about some kid carrying an AR-15 rife. Those morons should have known that open carry means open carry.

Yes. Exactly. As long as the 2nd Amendment exists, and open carry is allowed, it's the reality. Don't like it? Change the Constitution and law.

We have the 1st Amendment for the same reason. It's not illegal and it's not wrong to use the 1st Amendment. Even the 'yell fire in a crowded theater' is protected by the 1st Amendment, despite common belief.

The problem here is the guy yelling 'fire' was Rosenbaum, and even then he was ignored ... including by Rittenhouse. He chased people, and the only thing that kept him from assaulting them is because they were in packs. But once Rittenhouse was isolated, attending to something else, he cornered him ... and then he went for the gun.

Stupid me. My reaction would have been to get the hell out of there!!!

Yes, Rosenbaum should have. Unfortunately, at one point, Rittenhouse was cornered, nowhere to go, and Rosenbaum assaulted him. You are literally taking issue with the wrong person!

Yeah, ignorant me for criticizing a teenage kid for provoking deadly violence by coming on to the scene with a semi-automatic assault rife. What was I thinking??!?

He should have stayed home. But they all should have. Convicted felons, violent offenders ... Rittenhouse should have known better. But since he went, being armed saved his life. He could have stayed home though, you're right.

But Rittenhouse doens't give up his rights when other people think they should assult him because he has a weapon. Just like the guy who had his bicep shot by Rittenhouse brought his gun and open carried to. Other people were carrying ... openly! Felons, violent offenders, assaulters!

You sound like the worlds' biggest, subjective, argumentative person right here. You keep talking about Rittenhouse being armed, but not the other people ... including those assulting people, including those assaulting Rittenhouse.

At what point does Rittenhouse let himself be seriously injured or killed? Where do you get the right people have a right to assault him? He wasn't the only one carrying. He was just the one who was cornered and assaulted by others, and then chased by a mob and repeatedly battered.

 

[UCFKnightfan08]

@UCFBS it’s very clear who watched any of the trial and who is reading cnn.

Kyle obviously should’ve let those idiots kill him

 

[DaShuckster]

If he was an “active shooter” just looking to kill people, he would’ve killed a lot more than only the people that attacked him.

Rittenhouse wasn't an "active shooter?" WTF? What was the death count from all the the REAL 'active shooters' that Rittenhouse saved the world from that night?

The “poor dude” with the stake board was a POS that got what can be expected when you hit someone in the head when they have a gun.

Yeah boy, a dude with a skate board would make anybody fear for their life, right?

 

[DaShuckster]

Kyle obviously should’ve let those idiots kill him

LOL Here's a CRAZY thought: Maybe Kyle shouldn't have gone there sporting a "cool looking" (Kyle's words) AR-15 semiautomatic rifle in the first place.

 

[UCFKnightfan08]

LOL Here's a CRAZY thought: Maybe Kyle shouldn't have gone there sporting a "cool looking" (Kyle's words) AR-15 semiautomatic rifle in the first place.

Another crazy thought - maybe literally every single other person shouldn’t have been there either.

 

[UCFKnightfan08]

Rittenhouse wasn't an "active shooter?" WTF? What was the death count from all the the REAL 'active shooters' that Rittenhouse saved the world from that night?

Yeah boy, a dude with a skate board would make anybody fear for their life, right?

An active shooter is actively shooting people, not just the people attacking him. The potential death count he saved was 1 - his own, and that’s all that matters.

Your last comment is insane enough to put you in a straight jacket. Yeah, homeboy was just skating down the sidewalk trying to get home, totally wasn’t bashing him in the head.

 

[Crazyhole]

An active shooter is actively shooting people, not just the people attacking him. The potential death count he saved was 1 - his own, and that’s all that matters.

Your last comment is insane enough to put you in a straight jacket. Yeah, homeboy was just skating down the sidewalk trying to get home, totally wasn’t bashing him in the head.

And Grosskreutz had this tiny little pistol while Kyle had a huge AR-15. Nevermind the fact that Gaiges bullets were twice the size of Kyle's.

 

[Crazyhole]

MSN

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Troll level: master

 

[sk8knight]

Name me one active shooter that walked around with his rifle for hours talking to people and helping those in need before going on a murderous rampage, all that time having ample opportunity to mow dozens of people down without challenge. Now narrow that down to the active shooters that met the first condition and then were assaulted first, ran from that assault, and then fired only upon those people that assaulted him. Now narrow that to the active shooters that then went to turn themselves in to police quickly after those shots were fired. Now narrow it down even further to the active shooters that, once he got away from police, turned himself into police again a short time later.

Hopefully you can put down your irrational bias and see just how asinine it is to try to characterize Kyle Rittenhouse as a murderous active shooter.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Rittenhouse wasn't an "active shooter?" WTF? What was the death count from all the the REAL 'active shooters' that Rittenhouse saved the world from that night?

Yeah boy, a dude with a skate board would make anybody fear for their life, right?

Eh, tell you what. Let me try to beat your ass to death with a skateboard and we will see if you just sit there and take it.

 

[Crazyhole]

Rittenhouse wasn't an "active shooter?" WTF? What was the death count from all the the REAL 'active shooters' that Rittenhouse saved the world from that night?

Yeah boy, a dude with a skate board would make anybody fear for their life, right?