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Purposefully forget the losses, so had to look back. You left out it was just a 184 yrd passing game. A bit more than half what he did the previous games.
Making my point. Gabriel 5 TD performance is considered a negative. Likely the only time UCF QB has ever passed, rushed, and recieved a TD in a game.
Also interesting he suddenly decided to do short passes vs going down field like he did for 2 years. Almost like offensive play calling was directed to do short passes. We should compare with how often the play calling was for short passes after Gabriel was gone.
Also even in a Hail Mary situation Gabriel was given a play call that involved a short 10 yard pass, unless you think he ignored Malzahn's play call and told everyone to not go deep.
Let the record reflect, I was the FIRST person on this board who mentioned the rumors about DG leaving. And I was laughed at and shunned. Guess who had the last laugh on that one? ;-)
Even with Heupel, DG was all about his numbers. Rather than taking the run option, even when teams were flat out daring him to run and leaving it WIDE open, DG was trying to fling it deep. It got to the point where LBs turned their backs and sprinted all out vertical as soon as DG kept on the run fake. This is why he absolutely sucked in the second half of the Cincinatti game and why he was terrible in the BYU bowl game. Heupel expressed frustration over and over about DG not taking what was there and just trying to get the big chunks.
Did you really expect the same play calling with a Junior QB in his third year as a starter and a true Freshman QB with nothing but a spring game and a camp under his belt? How awful would our coaching staff be if they didn’t adjust to the players they had?
Watch the video, if he drops back, plants, and throws on timing, he hits the wr in the gap and no interception. Instead, DG, who has never been a good timing QB, hitches and throws it late as the receiver is running into the zone coverage. The only way that this isn’t on DG is if that receiver is supposed to settle into that zone but I don’t see that from either of them here. This was just typical DG when he’s not bombing it deep against scheme-generated isolations.
So Gabriel was selfish because he was trying to get the ball to playmakers to juke up his stats instead of tucking the ball and running it himself. Gabriel Davis must be pissed he didn't have Keene as his QB.
Fortunately we will have plenty of future opportunities to see Malzahn air out the ball to show it was Gabriel that was the problem all along and get to watch Gabriel rack up the ints and losses.
Buddy, watch your own video, go to the :28 mark. Please put this dumb narrative to bed for this play…it went off the dudes lead arms in front of him. You can feel however you want about DG, but let’s not make things up.
UCF lost games because the RPO was called, the run was wide open and was the right call, and the QB refused to take it. This isn’t a Keene vs DG conversation. It’s ok to call out that DG wasn’t as good as the system made him look. It’s also perfectly fine for the dude to be selfish and also nothing wrong with the rest of us pointing it out. It’s also not that DG was the only thing wrong but any leader that checks out on his team like DG did after the summer he spent pumping himself up to all of us to sell merchandise is going to earn well-deserved criticism.
Why does Malzahn have to “air it out” to prove anything at all? The only stat that matters is the win column.
If you think that pass was in the right spot, right timing, and all on the WR then we’re going to agree to disagree.
I mean, there is video of the ball hitting the WR in the lead hands in full stride but ok 👌🏻.
DG is a player who is divisive to our fans because he represented two sides to himself. Side one was the KZ side, all Ohana and family and UCF. This appealed to all our fans especially the older fans. Then the real DG showed his face which was all business and self based. This turned off much of our fanbase who was used to KZ as the face of the program.
Sometimes it is not what you do, it is how you do it. If you are getting the benefit from the university and everyone is depending upon you you don't quit on the team. Yes he quit, by all accounts he was fully recovered before the cow game and he sat. What if we lose that game? IMO you don't get to be selfish until you fulfil your obligation to the university and the fans. If you want to transfer after that I get it.
Sometimes it is not what you do, it is how you do it. If you are getting the benefit from the university and everyone is depending upon you you don't quit on the team. Yes he quit, by all accounts he was fully recovered before the cow game and he sat. What if we lose that game? IMO you don't get to be selfish until you fulfil your obligation to the university and the fans. If you want to transfer after that I get it.
After the window where it should’ve been thrown, where the receiver was expecting it anymore and then a fastball that barely lead him as the receiver was running into the LB dropping into zone. DG missed his window and tried to squeeze it in anyways. That’s on the QB. I get the thought that you should catch everything that you touch but that one is on DG.
This is why you don’t throw late over the middle.
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Wait, made a mistake, there was :28 left of the tape…watch at the :52 mark in the video.
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This is where I think fans will be disappointed for quite some time. Milton is starting to become UCF's Tebow. There is hundreds of QBs that play every year, handful with a lot of talent, a handful with a personality that looks to carry a school and be their ambassador. Generally both don't intersect. Even more so in the NIL world where a player can now be rewarded financially.
Gabriel's NIL stuff was dumb, but I also think anyone willing to buy/promote/talk his stuff was making bad decisions to begin with and was just feeding into it.
And I still maintain that there is no way with all the rumors swirling that the staff was not aware of Gabriel wanting to leave before he declared for the portal. There was multiple interviews with Malzahn where he gave vague responses about Gabriel's recovery status/availability. "We'll see how it goes" "Day-to-Date, week-to-week" after the projected healing timeline ended while Marc Daniels comes out and says Dillon Gabriel will not return at all 2 weeks before USF game. And just above its stated he was fully healthy, but sat. Did he fool the entire staff by pretending to be hurt? Did he refuse to go on the field? Everything points there was a discussion between Gabriel and Malzahn weeks before the end of the season on whether he is done with the program.
Did you win anything other than patting yourself in the back?
Prediction: I will die some day. Book it!
If you look at the clip they dropped one defensive lineman. And blitzed the middle linebacker. If the right guard would have picked up that blitz he would have had time to see open receivers down field. We had three lineman blocking one guy. But, Gabriel never did well with a pass rush in his face. Tulsa/cincy games.
Why does it matter? You are having everything being paid for by the University. You are on scholarship. You are the leader of the team who needs your skill. You are where you are because the school gave you the opportunity and helped train you. If you are healthy then you play the remainder of the season. That is your part of the bargain. This " I need to think of my future" is a breach of contract IMHO. If these guys want to be treated like professionals then need to act like them.
Are you saying the Gus told him to take seat? doubt it
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This is exactly the kind of negativity I was talking about earlier in this thread? Breach of contract, act like a professional lol!?!?
I have no idea where this perception that he quit on the team and university came from? He literally did the opposite. Are you saying it was his fault he got injured? He didn’t leave Orlando after the injury at Louisville. He stayed in school, finished his classes in the Fall. He stayed connected to the program, attended meetings and film sessions. He was literally working out on the field, throwing to receivers before games in November.
UCF’s season was over by the time Gabriel was healthy, they had been eliminated from AAC Championship game contention. I do think the staff knew DG was transferring. I do think it was Malzhan’s choice to go with Keene in November.
But that’s all just speculation. And I have no inclination to look back. I’m excited about our guys at QB, and I just kind of think this Gabriel hate is all a nonsense talking point.
How can by all accounts he was fully recovered and quit on team, but the staff that is paid to monitor his health and commitment was unaware? We know he didn't play, we know he attended practices, and was on sidelines for games, Malzahn fielded questions every week about his health.
Either staff was completely unaware (but many others were), staff was aware he quit on his team but chose not to discipline him and let him participate with the team up until he declared to transfer, or the staff and Gabriel made an agreement to announce after season was over.
Essentially the options are either staff incompetence, staff not willing to discipline to a big name, or staff worked out what they thought was best.
Gosh...poor DG. Am I being negative towards him? I hope he can survive. How is it that we cannot call someone out for bailing on the team?
How Naïve are you? He stayed in school? Of course he stayed in school. UCF paid for that and his living and his food and his rehab and his training and his medical and his tutors and he continued to sell product to UCF fans. None of which would end up benefitting the program. Why would he leave when he gets all these benefits by saying nothing?
So we were eliminated from the championship so what? Did the cow game mean nothing? Did the bowl game mean nothing? By all accounts the guy was ready to get back on the field and he sandbagged. The guy quit on the program and people just want to shrug their shoulders and say he was only doing what was right for him. Screw that. finish your commitment. Then if you want to transfer you have done what you said you would do.
Stop it. The guy sandbagged to the staff (coaching and medical). What was the staff going to do? They wanted him on the team. The guy took every advantage of his position and then bailed. The guy was selling DG gear to UCF fans up to the date he left.
Like I said. Transfer, fine, as long as you fulfill your obligations. DG did not
Y'all are making this into a huge deal.
DG didn't play in any more games because he needed to preserve his eligibility. He played his 4th game in the game he got injured.
If he played 1 more snap, he'd lose his redshirt year of eligibility.
He needed to quit on the team to help himself. That makes it ok.
Did it hurt our team? Yes.
Did it also increase the likelihood of him getting drafted? Yes, because he has 1 more year now to develop.
He's allowed to do what he wants.
Even if you enter into portal you can come back to team. He hadn’t even entered portal. Why would they discipline him? It’s not a good look to kick a kid totally out of program while “recovering” from an injury. Whether he dragged it out or not. Gus was new and didn’t want to divide team by doing anything so early in tenure.
Not without criticism he is not. Seems to me as we venture further into the professional player realm there may end up being financial consequences as well. But for now he is just a quitter
He actually only played 3 games. Moot point really as he checked out but he could have come back for the usf game which I was hoping for. But then again he didn’t want to, he knew he was leaving and didn’t really care.
Everything said here is spot on. We all wanted to like DG and almost all of us really thought he was something special his first season. However, I began to have my doubts after the dismal BYU bowl game when it was obvious our team didn't really give a f#ck. I mainly blamed Heupel but we need to remember that QB is also an important leadership role. For whatever reason, DG just didnt seem to have the fire, motivation and leadership that we all loved to see in MM.
The true nature of DG became obvious during the filming of the ESPN “Our Time” documentary. For those who are interested, re-watch the show with what we now know and you’ll see he had absolutely no desire to get back on the field in a UCF jersey, His comments as well as the interviews with CGM and other coaches was almost painful to watch. There was a lot of politically correct “coach speak” but you could tell they really didnt want to talk about the kid. The frustration with him was evident and that’s why none of the staff acted surprised when he announced his intent to transfer shortly after the season.
Perhaps he will find what he’s looking for in Oklahoma, but I‘m not gonna be rooting for him.
That is a valid point, unless they want to pull a Bud Kilmer and tell a player they will pull his scholarship / rehab access because he refuses to play after being injured on the field trying to win a game. I am sure that PR would have went really well.
On top of that the initial projected recovery was 8-10 weeks from injury and his transfer announcement was 10 weeks and 1 day after injury.
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Damn, I must have missed the article where coaches and players went on record stating that Gabriel was asked to dress/play and he refused, quitting on the team. Surely it’s out there, because a lot of you are completely ignoring what some of us are saying and just running with the agenda that he quit on the team. If I missed it, I will 100% admit my fault.
One last time, if he let the coaches know that he was transferring ahead of time (and there was plenty of reasons why that move made sense: wasn’t recruited by this staff, offense doesn't take a lot of deep shots), why would Malzahn play him in meaningless games in November? I wouldn’t either, it wouldn’t be best for the program.
By the time Gabriel was healthy, the team was in full development mode and looking to the future. Think about how important those end of the year reps were for Keene (who knows if he’s the guy this year, but still. It’s not like the staff knew Plumlee would be an option at that point either).
One last time, if he let the coaches know that he was transferring ahead of time (and there was plenty of reasons why that move made sense: wasn’t recruited by this staff, offense doesn't take a lot of deep shots), why would Malzahn play him in meaningless games in November? I wouldn’t either, it wouldn’t be best for the program.
By the time Gabriel was healthy, the team was in full development mode and looking to the future. Think about how important those end of the year reps were for Keene (who knows if he’s the guy this year, but still. It’s not like the staff knew Plumlee would be an option at that point either).
There were absolutely some on camera instances of trainers/staff saying he was ready and shrugging their shoulders on an episode of “Our Time”. I think it was the game before the usf game or the episode/week leading up to the usf game. Pretty sure Gus said something similar short dismissive in a press conference, saying it’s up to him.
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Okay, but that has nothing to do with what I’ve been writing. Training staff may have said he was ready, absolutely. I never said he wasn’t healthy in November.
What I asked about was the article stating that Gabriel refused to play when he got healthy, quitting like people think he did. How do we definitively know it wasn’t the coaches that told him he wouldn’t be dressing (for the betterment of the program)? Without the proof, it’s unnecessary drama from a few fans.
Wish the video was better because there looks like at least 2 WRs less covered than the one thrown to, #3 perhaps and the guy near the 40 with no one around him for 3 miles.
By the way, tho not obvious in my original post, my point was his lack of effectiveness against a mid-P5. Whatever, since he left I care about his future like I care about EMU's QB.
Edit-- see Callahanknight08's comment.
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Hundreds of players entered the transfer portal this past season. All had their own (and family’s) best interests in mind, just like each of us has our own best interests in mind when we make employment decisions……He wasn’t hating on UCF or trying to hurt the program.
Gabriel transferred to a blue blood program, which is traditionally competing for national championships (almost zero chance at UCF), probably making out much better with the NIL, arguably has better talent surrounding him to put up big numbers..thus improving his draft stock and reunites with an offensive coordinator he loves and helped him put up video game like passing statistics….seems like a no brainer to me…. I wish him the best.
Gabriel transferred to a blue blood program, which is traditionally competing for national championships (almost zero chance at UCF), probably making out much better with the NIL, arguably has better talent surrounding him to put up big numbers..thus improving his draft stock and reunites with an offensive coordinator he loves and helped him put up video game like passing statistics….seems like a no brainer to me…. I wish him the best.
