BS, you need to get yourself another hobby. Preferably one that gets you outside and relax a bit.
Yes ... Microsoft now claims the post-Windows world (ending after 10) will have portable code. But that still didn't prevent people from lambasting me over how RT is missing a lot of capabilities because a lot of code is not portable. Microsoft has continued to concede these, and even people like yourself have been ignoring it.We're talking about the future man, not the past.
I've been on a dozen .NET projects, and unless people actually code for the non Win32-tied (and x86-tied) libraries and frameworks, it doesn't port. And because every single one of those projects were done by coders who can't get their head out of Visual Studio, they remained Win32-only, on x86-only..NET is portable.
Dude ... virtualization is not porting!Ever dabbled in Azure? Nope...didn't think so.
So it has the ability to run a full MS Office implementation with total documentation compatibility with MS Office for Win32/x86? Sorry ... nope. And that was my entire point. Microsoft will continue to ship x86 solutions because it keeps from breaking compatibility, because the existing code that everyone is using prevent people from using anything else -- other than maybe a "lightweight viewer/editor." There is just so much legacy Win32/x86 cruft they cannot get away from, and even many .NET methods rely on, at least the ones used.I held the tech in my hands and had photos taken that several in this thread have seen. Everything was ported. The new Lumia phablet coming in December will have the ability to throw a full windows 10 desktop when connected to an MHL cable.
Read up on its history, and the whole lawsuits over tying it to Win32/x86.So, you're wrong. I'm a Live 360 team developer. You're incorrect about .NET...grossly.
Dude ... do you even know what Moore's Law is?You are failing to comprehend a vary simple part of technological development and that is moore's law.
Dude ... do you even know what HyperThreading is?Snapdragon processors as well as AMD processors can be hyper-threaded no differently than Intel. The x86 argument is now moot.
Oh boy.Moore's law is the exponential growth of technology to the point where technology can "build" itself.
And I have many colleagues who are current and/or former Novell and/or SuSE AG employees too. We talk about these issues constantly, and how Mono was never given a chance.I run Opensuse 13.2 and very familiar with the porting ability in Linux.
Yes, I've heard that for 12+ years. But how many times do people write something in Visual Studio and how often does it port? Mono compatibility has always been very limited, and way too much of .NET just leverages existing Win32/x86-only libraries.You're still wrong on everything else regarding portability. .Net is now portable.
Hey man, I have my complaints about Google. In fact, I call them "The New Microsoft" (and have since 1999).And tell your google friends to update their damn google-code support page.
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Dude ... have you used it? Seriously?! And how much ports over?.net...is portable...http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/pnet.html
Dude ... have you used it? Seriously?! And how much ports over?
Furthermore, just like Mono, they have also had to integrated some of the WINE (Windows emulation) for the WinForms and Win32 executive, and there will always be breakage. Too much is tied to the GDI and other dependencies. In other words, the only way it works is if some Windows run-time is emulated. This has been a long-standing issue.
One Microsoft does seem to be willing to break with the new Nano strategy on the Server, to their credit. But it will require all new servers apps. Still gotta love Gates for the GDI decision, the one thing NT did that OS/2 didn't, and has been the bane of so many portability issues since.
This is both the stupidest yet most entertaining thread I've read in a while. The fact that somebody is getting owned by little miss knight AND knightman at the same time is the stuff of legends. Tales will be told about this thread...
btw, what the fukc is this thread about?
Someone who only listens to marketing, so calls me an idiot, despite the fact that they definitely now have to backtrack on what they said about my past predictions, and focus only on the "[promised] future."This is both the stupidest yet most entertaining thread I've read in a while. The fact that somebody is getting owned by little miss knight AND knightman at the same time is the stuff of legends. Tales will be told about this thread...
btw, what the fukc is this thread about?
COMPUTER SOFTWARE GIVING PEOPLE THE FEELS?Computers? Software? Feelings?
So what you're saying is that he was right all along, not you. Seems legit.Someone who only listens to marketing, so calls me an idiot, despite the fact that they definitely now have to backtrack on what they said about my past predictions, and focus only on the "[promised] future."
BS! Several even said the non-Pro would stay non-x86. I said the past return rate of the Surface 1/2 would ensure it would be x86!First, I don't think anyone ever said that the Surface line wouldn't switch to x86.
BS! Every time some marketing claims this, yet another set of reviews come out and show how ARM smacks Atom silly.That was a pretty safe bet with Intel getting more power and heat friendly.
Of course it is! But what is actually running on it?! That is the question!I really wish we had those archives but I (nor anyone else that I can recall) said "Windows RT" would continue on. However I, and others, have said that Windows would keep running on ARM because....
Second, WINDOWS IS STILL RUNNING ON ARM.
Ummm ... they've always called it "Mobile," definitely since version 7 and the switch to NT. But what they've done is totally stopped trying to say it's for anything but small, limited, mobile devices because the entire RT strategy flopped! No one is willing to accept the lack of Win32/x86 compatibility, because so many Win32/x86-only libraries cannot be ported.They're calling it "Windows 10 Mobile" (not sure how I feel about that branding).
And "Mobile" and "Pocket PC" and other things. They've conceded no Windows version that is not Win32/x86 will be accepted as a general computing device that runs Windows software.It's what has been known as Windows Phone in the past.
Now that's BS! Even Ballmer tried to warn people back in 2012 that such an assumption was unachievable. The entire non-Pro Surface strategy, the shift away from RT and the fact that Microsoft recognizes Windows 10 needs to be the last version, is pretty much the total proof now.It's what will be used on phones and other devices under 8" in size. It's running the full NT kernel. It uses the same app platform as the desktop. The WinRT/Universal Office is the same exact code running on both ARM and x86.
Yes, no argument. They finally "woke up" and realized they are building tools that are Win32/x86-only, and the more they don't actually contribute to those projects, the more they don't make stuff portable.In addition to phone, Microsoft will be supporting x86 and ARM for their IoT variant of Windows. Again, running the full NT kernel and supporting the Universal App Platform. Ever heard of the Raspberry Pi? Pray tell me, what architecture is it using? Now, go look at this page. https://www.raspberrypi.org/windows-10-for-iot/
Finally, Microsoft is now directly supporting Mono and contributing code and open sourcing the .NET Core CLR. They will be directly supporting ASP.NET 5 on Linux.
Exactomundo!It's a bit of a different architecture than current ASP.NET but it's better positioned for modular, open source, and cloud scenarios than the more monolithic ASP.NET of the past.
Dude ... it's technical! I'm sorry, but anyone who has coded in other solutions sees the huge difference between .NET and other solutions, from a portability standpoint. But if you've only done .NET, let alone only worked inside of Visual Studio, you don't see this, and you listen to marketing.The .NET Core CLR is a stripped down version of the full CLR that will be fully supported cross platform. Yes, you're correct that a good chunk of the .NET runtime is Windows-only (not x86 only) due to licensing and other limitations
Yes. But this is no different than what a lot of platforms have been doing for some time, to run a layer of abstraction that appears as a different architecture, allowing different byte code and objects to work.but Microsoft is actively moving to remove these dependencies. Microsoft supports Docker containers on both Linux and Windows (yes, containers will be fully supported in the next version of Windows Server). Yes, this even works in Google Container Engine.
Or someone who just doesn't understand how containers work trying to argue with someone who not only does ... but has been doing it for years now.If this is Microsoft conceding that .NET is not cross platform and Windows isn't portable then I need a new definition of "concede".
And that's exactly what sales people who run these vendor trade shows do ... fluff the customer.You all need a room, lube, and silicon.
I was an original NT 3.1 Beta Tester and followed every development since. It very difficult to watch the early decisions, many of us who were against them, haunt Microsoft long-term.For someone that doesn't have brand loyalty and is above politics you sure do have a hard on for Microsoft.
I've read more meaningful conversations about paint color and temperature in the summer.
What is the validation this dumbass is looking for? I'm confused, is this something work related or something that would actually be deemed important?
No validation. In fact, some people are trying to both 1) backtrack and 2) keep regurgitating the marketing (and plenty of inappropriate, for the context, acronyms) to fit their story.I've read more meaningful conversations about paint color and temperature in the summer.
What is the validation this dumbass is looking for? I'm confused, is this something work related or something that would actually be deemed important?
wtf are you talking about?! I was talking about you, malthus, and woot having an orgy...And that's exactly what sales people who run these vendor trade shows do ... fluff the customer.
Seriously, that's what's at work here, especially on containers. I've been at the forefront of enabling customers with containers for years now, and the first thing I -- post-sales -- has to do is "reset expecations" after sales has lubed and stroked the customer to buy.
There's not a trade show that goes by where my colleagues and I are breaking down the marketing, and how they manipulated what they said to work around the limitations of the sell.
I havent read a full post ITT.
But Cliffs (do i have this right?): BS rants for too long about being right about something literally 2 people in here would have the knowledge about. Yet brags about being right against what seems like everyone, as if most of us even care. Then, those 2 people tell him he's still wrong.
I havent read a full post ITT.
But Cliffs (do i have this right?): BS rants for too long about being right about something literally 2 people in here would have the knowledge about. Yet brags about being right against what seems like everyone, as if most of us even care. Then, those 2 people tell him he's still wrong.
Even as a geek/nerd/developer I don't get what he's bragging about. The HW platform an OS runs on?He's not bragging about being right though, he's above looking for approval or trying to prove people wrong.
Isn't that what I said? People are not only going to by x86 for 50% more, even at a typical 50% cut in battery life, if they need that Win32/x86 compatibility.... The RT strategy flopped because the reasons of buying a RT/ARM device over a similarly priced x86 device were not nearly enough to overcome the the loss of backwards compatibility and restriction to store apps. That and the iPad and cheap Android tablets already had a solid foothold in the market ...
But people don't run OSes. They run applications. Without portable libraries ... well.... I'm not, nor have I ever, argued that current .NET code is readily ported to other operating systems. However, I have argued that the Windows NT kernel is quite portable and the fact that it's currently running on servers with terabytes of RAM and 64 CPU cores as well as the Raspberry Pi is living proof of that. Microsoft has done a rather good job of making their "Universal App Platform" extremely portable ...
Sigh ... I'm done. But I'll leave with one little tidbit, since you brought it up ...Even as a geek/nerd/developer I don't get what he's bragging about. The HW platform an OS runs on?
It's 2015 everything is going cloud/virtualization.
Sigh ... I'm done.