The meltdown
- Thread starter Crazyhole
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Literally nothing but media election polls indicated a Biden win. Why are you shocked?
At this point, all that is happening is liberals on twitter are freaking out because because it isnt a blowout, and they are feeling like it is 2016. Republicans are feeling good for the same reason, because it isnt a blowout. But again, not a single swing state has been called (even Florida at this point hasnt been called, though it does look good for Trump). This was never going to be a blowout so the freaking out on the left, and the over confidence on the right are both premature. Until the rust belt states start being called, then we really dont know anything.
So now we have to question how much of the Progressive leadership is going to claim this illegitimate?
Pelosi was going off on the court (again) earlier today. As much as I'm the first one to call out the Republicans for being major hypocrites by blocking confirmation in 2016 until the election, I really hate how Progressives nuke the Justice himself/herself, instead of the politics and position.
BTW, if Trump wins I think he will be remembered unfavorably like Herbert Hoover. Hoover is still blamed for the Great Depression, but he was hardly to blame for it.
Pelosi was going off on the court (again) earlier today. As much as I'm the first one to call out the Republicans for being major hypocrites by blocking confirmation in 2016 until the election, I really hate how Progressives nuke the Justice himself/herself, instead of the politics and position.
BTW, if Trump wins I think he will be remembered unfavorably like Herbert Hoover. Hoover is still blamed for the Great Depression, but he was hardly to blame for it.
You posed a good question earlier about why the polls might be off. All of a sudden that becomes a question that everybody is going to ask.
A lot of people who vote Conservative fear being fired, especially if they are the minority at work. That's why they avoid the pollsters quite a bit, especially at the polling places themselves or in the lead-up to the election.
A lot of mail in votes havent even been counted yet. You are really premature on this.
If Trump wins, it'll be interesting to see if California and some New England states start talking about leaving the union more. Not that there would be many, but 2016 started some talking in the Bay area, and this might increase it.
I worked a decade at (major technology company now owned by IBM, and IBM's President is their former CEO) -- they asked me, an independent, to join in 2005 (I was fine on my own, but they paid me enough to join, especially stock).
On entry, I was a known American Libertarian, didn't believe in organized religion, and I was pro-Marriage Equality since I could vote in the '90s, and definitely when Hillary/Barack both stated "Against my religion" -- back when it was the first 1,000 employees, and barely on the NYSE pushing $8/share.
By the time we reached 12,000 employees, I was labeled a right-winger, a bigot, and people were trying to get me fired. It didn't help we had issues with mismanagement of my division (I had one of the lowest employee numbers, so I would get VPs who would call me and ask 'what is going on?), and those people in the San Fran Bay area, and they were calling me a Florida racist/sexist/bigot. Post-Zimmerman didn't help as I was from Sanford-Oviedo. Even my manager, who was from the Bay area too, didn't understand it, because he had gotten to know me.
I mean, in our division, when '2 sides' really 'went at each other,' whether political or technical, I was always the one that came in, listed 'valid points' of each side, and did my 'work the problem' speech. I was known as the 'peacemaker' in so many aspects.
And I mean, I really pissed a lot of the left off when I sent the ACLU's guidance on not boycotting Chick-fil-A just because their founder made his personal views known on a Christian station. Although I had 2 people from Legal send me 'Thank You' notes after that, because they were dealing with people trying to direct a (now) S&P500 company to boycott Chick-fil-A -- not just individual employees, but the company -- and were pushing major pressure from an entire division.
By the time we reached 12,000 employees, I was labeled a right-winger, a bigot, and people were trying to get me fired. It didn't help we had issues with mismanagement of my division (I had one of the lowest employee numbers, so I would get VPs who would call me and ask 'what is going on?), and those people in the San Fran Bay area, and they were calling me a Florida racist/sexist/bigot. Post-Zimmerman didn't help as I was from Sanford-Oviedo. Even my manager, who was from the Bay area too, didn't understand it, because he had gotten to know me.
I mean, in our division, when '2 sides' really 'went at each other,' whether political or technical, I was always the one that came in, listed 'valid points' of each side, and did my 'work the problem' speech. I was known as the 'peacemaker' in so many aspects.
And I mean, I really pissed a lot of the left off when I sent the ACLU's guidance on not boycotting Chick-fil-A just because their founder made his personal views known on a Christian station. Although I had 2 people from Legal send me 'Thank You' notes after that, because they were dealing with people trying to direct a (now) S&P500 company to boycott Chick-fil-A -- not just individual employees, but the company -- and were pushing major pressure from an entire division.
It's just how bad it's become, the labels, the intolerance, it's endless.
Although 2020 is the first year my European colleagues from the same company are now saying American Progressives and Democratic politicians sound more like Soviet Socialists than various European ones. Many cannot believe how so many Americans want authoritarianism on everything, with felony charges, for things even their countries don't push. It's unreal to see tough-on-crime from them ... for 'thoughts.'
I literally took someone on a whirl-wind on everything from not just trying to make it 'like a DUI' to even getting them to admit that writing a book that is misinformation should be a felony now. These are educated people, educated technologists, and ... I cannot believe it, in the US.
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A lot of those have been counted. I think you're reaching, especially since they are Democratic strongholds too.
Although right now it's looking like Biden will be +17 on Hillary taking Arizona (11) and Iowa (6). So Trump hasn't won yet, far from it.
But the US Media was way, way, way off ... way, way off!!!
We won't know who wins for another couple of days. both sides should be worried, it could swing either way.
Agreed, which is why I dont understand all the Trump people here acting like it was over 2 hours ago. WE will not know PA tonight for sure. Fox news (though they are the only ones rights now) has called AZ for Biden so as of now the only flipped state has gone to Biden. It is going to come down to the rust belt, as I think most people expected.
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I read that Michigan likely wont be in tonight either. Michigan and PA are a combined 36 EC votes, so if neither comes in tonight it is hard to see how a winner will be determined tonight. Especially if AZ is for Biden, which at this point Fox is still the only one who has called it, which is strange.
WIsconsin hasnt even started counting mail in votes yet, so they wont be in until the morning. PA and MI arent going to be done tonight either, so basically the 3 states that are going go decide it, wont be in until at least tomorrow. Or in Trump supporter land, it was over 3 hours ago!
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Depends on how many votes havent been reported, which from what I am reading is almost 3 million still. Right now Trump looks up big, but only about half the votes are being reported. If the outstanding votes are in Democratic strongholds, then it could still go Biden. Trump's lead in Michigan isnt insurmountable in the least.
The NY Times has Georgia leaning Biden now. IF Biden wins period, but especially if he ends up winning Georgia, then you guys calling the race three hours ago, when basically no states were called, might need to re-read how election results actually work for future purposes. IT is going to be close, and Trump might end up winning, but it wasnt close to being over when several of you guys decided it was.
Thought I’d stop in before calling it a night and had to laugh out loud at this thread.
With Biden winning Arizona, Trump is in desperate shape. When Biden wins Wisconsin and Michigan (and he will), our little Ol’ EC vote in Omaha gives him 270 regardless of what happens in Pennsylvania.
With Biden winning Arizona, Trump is in desperate shape. When Biden wins Wisconsin and Michigan (and he will), our little Ol’ EC vote in Omaha gives him 270 regardless of what happens in Pennsylvania.
Correct If Biden takes Wisconsin and Pennsylvania he will Win But he must win 56% of mail-in votes. Also, Georgia still has Atlanta and many Democratic districts to count. The race will go to Overtime
I dont know, but what he just did was horribly irresponsible. He is declaring victory and saying the election is being stolen. And keep in mind, he hasn't even lost yet. This country is on the verge of a dark time I'm afraid.
claiming you won states that you have a lead in with 90%+ isn't terribly irresponsible, it's realistic.
we heard this whole "dark times ahead" thing last go around, and all it amounted to was the left refusing to accept results and rioting.
He literally wants to stop counting votes in the states he is ahead in. Not AZ though, he is behind there so wants all those votes counted. Not counting the votes is anti-democratic, it just is. At this point you either believe in elections or you dont, that is basically what it comes down to.
he said he didn't want fraudulent voting. how can you possibly be against that then get on your high horse about anti-democracy?
They arent fraudulent votes. He wants perfectly legal votes to not be counted. Again, you are either for elections or you arent. Pick a side.
You're talking to an edgelord troll. Just ignore him.
that's not what he said.
regardless, once again your side has found yourself mad at words in order to ignore the reality of the situation.
maybe if yall had put out a half decent candidate like Tulsi Gabbard or the pole smoker that wasn't rife with corruption you wouldn't be in this mess and you'd already be celebrating a blue victory.
