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djrenown said:
seeing as how Trump had fewer EOs than Barry, GW and Bill (and Biden obviously on pace to blow the record out the park), i wouldn't really use that title for Trump.
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Normally you need to rule with some sort of authoritarian power to be called an emperor, IE turn the executive branch into both the Exec and Legislative branch.

Semantics I guess.
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Congrats I guess on having slightly less EOs in one term than other presidents had in 2. Lol. That’s what you are hanging your hat on? Do you even math bro? Also many of Bidens EOs were undoing Trump EOs. You think he should have to draft legislation to undo something Trump did by EO? Again, Lol.
 
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Crazyhole said:
That makes it a poor vaccine but a damn good therapeutic.
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hemightbejeremy said:
It’s not a therapeutic. Not at all. It is useless in treatment of Covid.
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Not once you've caught it, no. But they do a pretty crappy job of keeping you from catching and spreading the virus.

If that isn't true, then why is the government recommending masks for people again, regardless of vaccination status?
 
Crazyhole said:
Not once you've caught it, no. But they do a pretty crappy job of keeping you from catching and spreading the virus.

If that isn't true, then why is the government recommending masks for people again, regardless of vaccination status?
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A therapeutic is by definition used to treat an active illness. Take the L and do better next time.
 
Crazyhole said:
But that's essentially what it is. It isn't keeping you from catching the virus and propagating it, it just reduces the symptoms.

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Alex Berenson needs to decide what his actual points are. He has downplayed covid the entire time, but now because he wants an anti-vaxx narrative he is saying there will be increases in hospitalizations due to covid, or in his mind due to the vaccine. That dude has no clue what he is talking about and never has.
 
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hemightbejeremy said:
A therapeutic is by definition used to treat an active illness. Take the L and do better next time.
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Thats pretty much what these things are doing. They aren't stopping the spread like a prophylactic, they are just reducing the symptoms when you catch the virus.
 
Crazyhole said:
If you get the flu vaccine, what is the likelihood of spreading the flu to someone else?
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It would probably depend on the flu that year, but plenty of people who get the flu shot still get the flu, and much like this vaccine, it just lessens the symptoms. For a vaccine to actually do its job, a person has to get contracted with the virus. It doesnt magically put up a forcefield around your body that scares off the virus, it just kills the virus if you contract it. So considering that, it certainly makes sense that some people will be able to spread it.
 
Cubs79 said:
It would probably depend on the flu that year, but plenty of people who get the flu shot still get the flu, and much like this vaccine, it just lessens the symptoms. For a vaccine to actually do its job, a person has to get contracted with the virus. It doesnt magically put up a forcefield around your body that scares off the virus, it just kills the virus if you contract it. So considering that, it certainly makes sense that some people will be able to spread it.
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Great. Then why do nursing home employees that get the vax not have to wear masks but those who don't get it have to wear one throughout the season? Why is that different than this situation?
 
Crazyhole said:
Great. Then why do nursing home employees that get the vax not have to wear masks but those who don't get it have to wear one throughout the season? Why is that different than this situation?
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Because nursing home patients have also been vaccinated, so the people who are most likely to spread it are people who arent vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, around someone else who is vaccinated, you likely arent going to spread it to each other.
 
Cubs79 said:
Because nursing home patients have also been vaccinated, so the people who are most likely to spread it are people who arent vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, around someone else who is vaccinated, you likely arent going to spread it to each other.
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So explain Iceland and Israel. Pretty much everybody is vaccinated in those countries.
 
Crazyhole said:
So explain Iceland and Israel. Pretty much everybody is vaccinated in those countries.
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Pretty much everyone in those countries has not been vaccinated. Iceland is not vaccinating anyone under the age of 16, and about 1/3 of adults have not been vaccinated. Israel is also primarily just adults who have been vaccinated. There rates are better than ours certainly, but it simply isnt true that everyone in those countries is vaccinated. Quit listening to people like Alex Berenson. He isnt a doctor or scientist of any sort. He is an antivaxxer who has been wrong about covid the entire time.
 


Obviously the only solution is to force vaccinated people to wear 3 masks. They are killing people!
 
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Obviously the only solution is to force vaccinated people to wear 3 masks. They are killing people!
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Is there an actual link to this article (the twitter dude didnt provide one and I cant find it on usa today?) The current article on USA today still says vaccinated people are less likely to spread it.
 
Cubs79 said:
Is there an actual link to this article (the twitter dude didnt provide one and I cant find it on usa today?) The current article on USA today still says vaccinated people are less likely to spread it.
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Not going to search USA today for it, but here's an article that reports the same premise.

www.fox10phoenix.com

CDC: New data suggests vaccinated people could transmit delta variant

Articles and videos about CDC: New data suggests vaccinated people could transmit delta variant on FOX 10 Phoenix.
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Crazyhole said:
Not going to search USA today for it, but here's an article that reports the same premise.

www.fox10phoenix.com

CDC: New data suggests vaccinated people could transmit delta variant

Articles and videos about CDC: New data suggests vaccinated people could transmit delta variant on FOX 10 Phoenix.
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It is not the same premise at all. THe twitter headline said vaccinated people had more viral load. This article says
"We are actively conducting outbreak investigations of what’s occurring in places that are having clusters... What we’ve learned in that context, is when we examine the rare breakthrough infections and we look at the amount of virus in those people, it’s pretty similar to the amount of virus in unvaccinated people,"

So this article is saying in "rare" breakthrough cases the viral loads are similar, not that vaccinated people are carrying more of a viral load. It also says these cases are rare.

IT also says
"But Walensky noted that vaccinated people are still unlikely to become severely ill from COVID-19.

"Walensky also said that most of the cases and hospitalizations related to COVID-19 are coming from people who are not yet vaccinated. She pleaded with Americans to get inoculated in hopes of not overwhelming the nation’s hospitals."

So basically, it isnt saying the same thing at all.
 
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Cubs79 said:
It is not the same premise at all. THe twitter headline said vaccinated people had more viral load. This article says
"We are actively conducting outbreak investigations of what’s occurring in places that are having clusters... What we’ve learned in that context, is when we examine the rare breakthrough infections and we look at the amount of virus in those people, it’s pretty similar to the amount of virus in unvaccinated people,"

So this article is saying in "rare" breakthrough cases the viral loads are similar, not that vaccinated people are carrying more of a viral load. It also says these cases are rare.

IT also says
"But Walensky noted that vaccinated people are still unlikely to become severely ill from COVID-19.

"Walensky also said that most of the cases and hospitalizations related to COVID-19 are coming from people who are not yet vaccinated. She pleaded with Americans to get inoculated in hopes of not overwhelming the nation’s hospitals."

So basically, it isnt saying the same thing at all.
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These chuds just scour google for buzzwords that fit their worldview even if a cursory examination of the “stories” invalidates their claims.
 
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hemightbejeremy said:
These chuds just scour google for buzzwords that fit their worldview even if a cursory examination of the “stories” invalidates their claims.
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Yup. I think we are getting to the point where people are willing to risk serious health issues or even death to own the libs. That wasnt an angle I ever saw coming.
 
Cubs79 said:
It is not the same premise at all. THe twitter headline said vaccinated people had more viral load. This article says
"We are actively conducting outbreak investigations of what’s occurring in places that are having clusters... What we’ve learned in that context, is when we examine the rare breakthrough infections and we look at the amount of virus in those people, it’s pretty similar to the amount of virus in unvaccinated people,"

So this article is saying in "rare" breakthrough cases the viral loads are similar, not that vaccinated people are carrying more of a viral load. It also says these cases are rare.

IT also says
"But Walensky noted that vaccinated people are still unlikely to become severely ill from COVID-19.

"Walensky also said that most of the cases and hospitalizations related to COVID-19 are coming from people who are not yet vaccinated. She pleaded with Americans to get inoculated in hopes of not overwhelming the nation’s hospitals."

So basically, it isnt saying the same thing at all.
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Semantics. Here's the conference call that led to it:

 
If getting vaccinated is the responsible thing to do because it's for public safety, isn't wearing a mask to protect others also the responsible thing to do, regardless of vaccination status?
 
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KNIGHTTIME^ said:
Trump handed over a vaccine that fast tracked for him...and we are getting almost peak infections now. 🙃

We must shut down commie States again. 🤔
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Why would a commie state shutdown when Florida has 8-10 times their cases and deaths? Makes no sense. The peak infection day for the US was over 300k in January. We are currently at 70k.
 
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