the vocal minority and hugger propaganda to squash them
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Oh, are we in the #1 media market? Are we the state flagship? Just stop. You are being pathetic.
GOL gets paid almost 2 million for a 7-21 record vs the P5 - 7-22 since last weekend.
Here's a history of how some G5 teams with smaller budgets did against P5 teams.
northern illinois - 6-19
toledo 5-17
bowling green 14-45 (4-7 vs sec)
la tech 5-22
hawaii 29-58 vs pac 12, 14-37 rest of p5
tulane 3-19
middle tenn state 4-23
nevada 5-15
Yeah its great he took us to a BCS game but the path is not comparable to Northern Illinois, Boise, TCU, Hawaii and Utah as they didnt have to just win their conference.
Here's a history of how some G5 teams with smaller budgets did against P5 teams.
northern illinois - 6-19
toledo 5-17
bowling green 14-45 (4-7 vs sec)
la tech 5-22
hawaii 29-58 vs pac 12, 14-37 rest of p5
tulane 3-19
middle tenn state 4-23
nevada 5-15
Yeah its great he took us to a BCS game but the path is not comparable to Northern Illinois, Boise, TCU, Hawaii and Utah as they didnt have to just win their conference.
Rutgers and Maryland were already in an AQ conference before being invited to another one which is now the P5. I highly doubt they would get the invite if they came from CUSA or the Sun Belt.
You're a pathetic cancer to the whole program. A downer who has nothing better to do than complain about EVERYTHING. You're probably not even a fan of UCF.
The Tampa/Orlando area is one of the largest TV markets in the U.S. That IS a selling point for P5, but again there are MANY FACTORS.
Yes.,, I do agree that being in a crappy conference hurts us. We are all in the same boat. It's probably better to be an independent.
So what youre saying is Kyle Whittingham and Gary Patterson were name coaches and thats what led them to an invite? Seriously?
Utah was 28-12 versus the P5 during GOLs regime before 2011. TCU is 16-8.
EDIT - two wins for Utah in the BCS.
Stetson University has a football program and has moved to FCS. They line the Tampa/Orlando corridor. Who is to say they don't make the move in the next ten years?
Basically you're blaming GOL not winning OOC games and not caring about those games as a reason that we aren't getting a P5 invite. That's simply false and inaccurate.
I'm blaming GOL for killing the program's momentum, which is obvious by these threads. Winning OOC (especially against bad teams) games is part of building momentum. There are other things like recruiting, attendance, marketing, motivation, etc. GOL has done what he can for the program and I congratulate him for that but it is now time to pass the torch.
What part does losing tons of players due to graduation or leaving for the draft and injuries play in "killing momentum"? Doesn't it speak positively about our recruiting that we've continued to have better and better ranked recruiting classes every year? And the fact this year we have so many underclassman starting above upperclassman?
The fact is that college football especially isn't something you can just reload and fill gaps instantly because you're mostly relying on the promises of 17 and 18 year olds. To play well in college they need to get bigger and stronger and learn the playbook. You just don't see a ton of underclassman playing in college football and the fact we do is a good sign -- but they're also going to make mistakes. In fact, I think GOL even said before the season that we've got a young and talented team but there's going to be ups and downs.
If we make the most of this year and develop these young players we're going to be very good for the next few years -- even if that means our record isn't great this year. If GOL and staff don't do a good job of developing these players (historically they have) then that's an entirely different discussion and I don't think there'd be many suggesting we keep him around.
The fact is that college football especially isn't something you can just reload and fill gaps instantly because you're mostly relying on the promises of 17 and 18 year olds. To play well in college they need to get bigger and stronger and learn the playbook. You just don't see a ton of underclassman playing in college football and the fact we do is a good sign -- but they're also going to make mistakes. In fact, I think GOL even said before the season that we've got a young and talented team but there's going to be ups and downs.
If we make the most of this year and develop these young players we're going to be very good for the next few years -- even if that means our record isn't great this year. If GOL and staff don't do a good job of developing these players (historically they have) then that's an entirely different discussion and I don't think there'd be many suggesting we keep him around.
Why doesn't Ohio State or Alabama have these problems? I'm not saying we should be competing for National Championships, but there is simply no excuse for us to not be competing for the conference championship each year, even during "rebuilding" years. The AAC is a dumpster first, basically the Sun Belt. If we ever want to be P5 we sure as heck better be whipping up on AAC teams each year.
FIFY.
We get it...you always hated him...time to let go of the hate...as it can't be healthy for you and/or those around you for carrying so much hate for oh so many years.
First you compare FCS coaching vs FBS coaching in another thread. Now you compare Ohio State and Alabama to a G5 school. Come on dude. You are doing some serious trolling. But I'll bite.
If we had our pick of 5 star recruits in the country, I'm sure we wouldn't see a major lull in our record. If you want to be more comparable, compare us against a Louisville or, heck, how about even to Thug U.
UCF has been successful finding raw talent and developing it -- all those 2* and 3* athletes we turn into NFL prospects. Pretty sure it is a lot easier to reload when you can get the top talent every year. I've been a longtime Pirates fan, and our fans were unhappy because of how long it took to rebuild -- but the fact is the smaller guys or in our case G5 schools have a longer path to rebuilding. In our case, it means we might have a down year here and there. And before we write off this season, we're two games in. We'll know a lot more after we see how things look this weekend.
Your argument is totally based on theory, not facts. You could wait for any head coach in the country to have a bad season, and sooner or later, you might or might not be right. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a head coach anywhere at any level that hasn't had a losing season somewhere along the lines. A head coach who won at least 8 games in all but one season since 2009 and who has had three double-digit win seasons, 4 conference championships, 4 division titles (in C-USA), and a BCS bowl win is NOT someone who is a candidate for firing. You don't ignore all the accomplishments O'Leary has made over the course of the past 11 years because of an 0-2 start in 2 weeks. Years of success are far greater than 2 weeks.
Again, you don't fire someone who has built up big accomplishments over more than a decade because of two bad games in two weeks. Momentum can be lost, yes, but can also be regained quickly. If the team has a losing record at the end of the season, then you would have a stronger argument, but even then, there's no guarantee that would be enough for GOL to be let go.
You seem to enjoy calling for O'Leary's firing, but you offer no alternative solution. What should UCF do if it lets GOL go? Right now, GOL is the face of the program, like it or not.
You need facts to back up your argument, Firm. Right now, all you have is theory.
Ohio State and Alabama, in spite of all their money and influence on college football, have had down seasons before and will again. Alabama, of course, lost to us in 2000 during a time when they were down. The goal is for UCF to compete for conference championships every season, and I'd like for us to make winning national championships a goal as well whether it starts happening tomorrow or 50 years from now. However, you have to be realistic enough to understand that there isn't going to be a perfect performance in every single game. Going 0-2 in two OOC games over a 2-week period doesn't negate the last 11 years of GOL's career.
There are not enough facts to support firing GOL, and frankly, there may never be. GOL may retire one day without ever having another down season at UCF. You anti-GOL folks are convinced that he could have a bad season based on your theories, but you're unwilling to admit that the facts support that he could have a good season.
GOL can stay for the remainder of the season. I just feel like we need to start working on this transition and have an exit strategy. Giving a 70 yo man an open ended contract is not confidence building strategy.
To all of those harping on GOLs "accomplishments" over the last 11 years...what about the 5 losing seasons he's treated us to over those 11 seasons? 6 good ones, 5 bad ones. Bad seasons matter too.
Using the momentum factors that you, yourself have identified, I would say GOL and UCF are not doing nearly as bad as you think.
Recruiting: The most recent class UCF signed is probably one of the best in the last four years. Lot's of REALLY talented people, several of which were seriously recruited by well known P5 programs.
Attendance: The first game of this year we surpassed last year's average attendance, and based on tickets sold (over 40,000) for the game this week, our season average to date is likely to be over 40,0000 after this weeks game.
Marketing: You really think head coach GOL has anything to do with marketing? That's just stupid. GOL's time as Interim AD is only supposed to last a few more months, so there is no time for him to impact this years marketing.
Motivation: Motivation for who? Fans? There are lots of successful head coaches who don't take on the role of cheerleader for the program. Players? If you are not a player, then how do you know what he is doing or how well he is motivating the players? Considering the lack of experience and injuries for this years team, I think it is ENCOURAGING that we hung close to Stanford for three quarters with a backup QB.
You must have missed the multi-year period in the early 2000's when Alabama was a dumpster fire. Texas has been down for several years. Florida State had many down years before rebounding the last few years. Look at the Gaytors the last three years.
Some of them had bad coaches. Since you want to replace GOL...how do you know the coach that replaces GOL isn't going to be bad? You DON'T know. We could end up with someone who actually takes us WAY down, just as has happened with so many other teams that replaced coaches.
On the other hand, you can hardly say Mack Brown is a bad coach. He took his team to the national championship game in the mid-2000's, yet Texas still went downhill for a few years before he resigned.
Conclusion...your arguments are ridiculous.
For $2 million I think that we can do better than "not as bad as I think."
That's a pretty ignorant comment considering you cannot find a post anywhere where I have said that or anything even close to it. In fact, if we are not competing for the conference championship next season or the season after that, I would probably be ready for someone completely new.
"Rebuilding year."
"It's just an out of conference game."
"...but we've started 0-2 before!"
"Just look at what he's done previously!"
"Are you saying you DIDN'T want to win those 3 bowl games?"
"Rebuilding year."
...and now for a 'Blazing Saddles' joke: "You said 'Rebuilding year.' twice!"
"It's just an out of conference game."
"...but we've started 0-2 before!"
"Just look at what he's done previously!"
"Are you saying you DIDN'T want to win those 3 bowl games?"
"Rebuilding year."
...and now for a 'Blazing Saddles' joke: "You said 'Rebuilding year.' twice!"
I'm just trying to figure out the point of these threads.
I mean ... if it's the "Bianchi" v. "Fire GoL" ... then where to 80% of us long-term GKCs go?
I mean ... we cannot stand either Bianchi or the fair-weather Fire GoL crowd!
WTF?! Seriously?!
I mean ... if it's the "Bianchi" v. "Fire GoL" ... then where to 80% of us long-term GKCs go?
I mean ... we cannot stand either Bianchi or the fair-weather Fire GoL crowd!
WTF?! Seriously?!
I have never been a "fair-weather" Fire GOL guy. I've been firm and consistent in the Fire GOL camp after not making a bowl in year #3. Even Fiesta Bowl year, I just wasn't as vocal about it. We still needed miracles against crap teams to even sniff the Fiesta Bowl.
Adding emphasis ...
I.e., you should have been just as vocal that year too!
Furthermore ... my original point ...
There are more than 2 views than just the Bianchi v. Fire GoL.
I'm honestly tired of this polarizing non-sense, especially when it comes out after we lost a couple of games.
That is pretty much a "fair-weather" Fire GOL guy.
I.e., you should have been just as vocal that year too!
Furthermore ... my original point ...
There are more than 2 views than just the Bianchi v. Fire GoL.
I'm honestly tired of this polarizing non-sense, especially when it comes out after we lost a couple of games.
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In my opinion, there is no point to these threads other than giving a few whiny people the opportunity to try and convince people that they are smarter than everyone else...even though their logic betrays their lack of logical thought.
Petty silly to call that "way down."
Way down is having multiple losing seasons. And that is a possibility ANYTIME you hire a new coach.
And once we got to the Fiesta Bowl, we pretty much dominated a P5 conference champion that had been dominating most of the other teams they played that year.
Not to mention, had they not had injuries, they would have probably been in the NC game. But they were nearly 100% healthy for us.
That said ... we still had a lot of "close calls" that year, including 3 Ws against far lesser teams by less than 7 points.
What matters in the end are the Ws. FIU was a foul-up this year. UConn is another debate last year, but still hard to swallow. But 2 games are not what make a coach, or a program.
I'm not calling for people to stop all criticism of GoL. But I am hoping that people don't just pile on a lot of trash a whopping 2 games into the season. Give it the season before calling for firings. But also recognize we have lost DCs and OCs too.
Part of the reason GoL focuses more on his coaches' pay, than his own.
