You do realize several healthy members of this board, in their 30s, have been hospitalized because of this. At least one is confirmed to have died. All unvaxxed. It’s 100% a gamble.
This is interesting ...scientist and doctors speaking out
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You do realize several healthy members of this board, in their 30s, have been hospitalized because of this. At least one is confirmed to have died. All unvaxxed. It’s 100% a gamble.
Vaccinations are great, Should be encouraged , not forced. early treating with meds is also good and should be encouraged, but not forced.
What "reaction" are you talking about? Honestly, I have no clue. I call it as I see it, and I don't watch MSM, hence am not brainwashed like yourself.
I just convinced a buddy of mine to get the vaccine. He had been hesitant, but was in a high risk cohort.
To me, it is what it is with these vaccines. I think I understand the risk vs reward pretty well at this point.
And since this is supposed to be a thread about EARLY TREATMENT, that you and your brainwashed friends keep hijacking as antivax. I'll leave this search of twitter on "fully vaccinated died" here for you. Why weren't they offered early treatment? Why do we have to wait for PfizerMectin ?
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Because you told him the full realities and why it's worth it. Which brings me to ...
But you don't say they will end the pandemic ... so you're anti-vax, even though you're actually pro-[intelligent] vax.
It's just like people who call themselves liberal, but are for complete authoritarian and totalitarian enforcement, which is actually illiberal.
Because Congress-Pharma-Media have made it about vax v. meds ...
Until the Pharma behind the vaccines have their own meds, completely patented, approved by the US FDA. Only then will it be vax + meds.
Yes, 'brainwash' accusations are rather humorous at this point. My personal favorite is how Pfizer is already marketing how it makes people recover quicker ... and then you read the study, and it's 2 weeks ... same as natural recovery.
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Because you told him the full realities and why it's worth it. Which brings me to ...
But you don't say they will end the pandemic ... so you're anti-vax, even though you're actually pro-[intelligent] vax.
It's just like people who call themselves liberal, but are for complete authoritarian and totalitarian enforcement, which is actually illiberal.
Because Congress-Pharma-Media have made it about vax v. meds ...
Until the Pharma behind the vaccines have their own meds, completely patented, approved by the US FDA. Only then will it be vax + meds.
Yes, 'brainwash' accusations are rather humorous at this point. My personal favorite is how Pfizer is already marketing how it makes people recover quicker ... and then you read the study, and it's 2 weeks ... same as natural recovery.
COVID ICU Doctor Quits Over Vaccine Mandate: "Hospitals Have An Absolute Commitment To Follow The Data"
Dr. Mollie James talked about how several hospitals were mandating vaccinations and why she refused to get a vaccine: "I'm pushing back because hospitals have an absolute commitment to follow the data. Ignoring natural immunity in a vaccine discussion is just criminal. A lot of people who are...
And many have not been hospitalized even though they caught it unvaxxed. What’s your point?
COVID ICU Doctor Quits Over Vaccine Mandate: "Hospitals Have An Absolute Commitment To Follow The Data"
Dr. Mollie James talked about how several hospitals were mandating vaccinations and why she refused to get a vaccine: "I'm pushing back because hospitals have an absolute commitment to follow the data. Ignoring natural immunity in a vaccine discussion is just criminal. A lot of people who are...www.realclearpolitics.com
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Just FYI, the New England Journal of Medicine estimates that there are roughly 10M doctors worldwide.
The International Council of Nurses estimates that there are 29M nurses worldwide.
And then you have the other "scientists" and other loosely affiliated people that are being thrown into this mix.
So telling us that out of 39M+ doctors and nurses worldwide, they found 4,000 to say stupid shit is not surprising. In fact that represents .01% of this population group.
The International Council of Nurses estimates that there are 29M nurses worldwide.
And then you have the other "scientists" and other loosely affiliated people that are being thrown into this mix.
So telling us that out of 39M+ doctors and nurses worldwide, they found 4,000 to say stupid shit is not surprising. In fact that represents .01% of this population group.
It's not forced any more than anything else. You don't need to work at a place that requires it. And employers are free to choose to require it. There is freedom on both sides. Just get a different job.
I guess they should be able to fire Women who have abortions as well, or women who don't have them. They should be able to fire people or not serve them if they live a trans or gay lifestyle.
as of 9/21/21 77% of adults have had at least 1 covid shot. If the shots would slow the spread, we would have seen it already. They don't, and they won't, because the can't.
I think you'll be surprised. They're saying it will be 70 bucks per treatment, which individually isn't an egregious amount to pay. Tamiflu is about half that. The biggest issue most vaccine hesitant people have is in the technology being "unproven" and potentially risky.
It's $70 *per pill* , or $700 per 5 day course.
Molnupiravir is a recycled molecule that's been around for 40 years. It's traded hands three times like a broken old car, and was sold by it's previous owners after they observed mutagenic birth defects in animal studies.
Of course, Merck didn't find the birth defects. But how many times did they have to redo animal trials to get desired results?
Do you see how they are now priming the sheep for early treatment with oral antivirals for vaccine breakthrough infections? I already have my stash of oral antivirals, and they are a hell of a lot more safe and effective than molnupiravir. Wish the MSM guys all the best of luck with this poison.
But experts said they expected that the drug might eventually be used more widely, in many people who test positive for the virus.
Merck says it has the first antiviral pill found to be effective against Covid.
The drug maker will seek authorization for molnupiravir, the first drug of its kind for Covid. Experts said such pills could be a powerful tool against the virus.
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BAAAAAH . Two days ago anyone that talked about early treatment was anti vax. Now all the sudden you are in support of it. 🐑🐑🐑
Learn how you are being manipulated. Here is a good primer
Here's some real data for you "do your own research" people.
The trend is definitely going in the favor of the higher vaccinated regions having lower hospitalizations.
The trend is definitely going in the favor of the higher vaccinated regions having lower hospitalizations.
This is a 100% repeat of HIV in the '80s and early '90s. We downplayed ddC, ddl and, later, AZT.
We pushed all these 'patented' variations of existing drugs for other solutions.
This is what really pisses me off! In just 15 minutes of reading, people can find things out! We've been anti-meds UNTIL Big Pharma could offer theirs.
This is what really pisses me off! In just 15 minutes of reading, people can find things out! We've been anti-meds UNTIL Big Pharma could offer theirs.
Yep, credit the WSJ for being one of the few to point it out!
It was originally marketed as a 'better than Tamiflu ... Tamiflu' type Flu drug, not for any CoV. But now they are pushing it as a 'generic CoV drug,' including against OC43-CoV and others too.
The proprietary studies have been utterly nixed because ...
Pharma can. People really don't understand how these things work. That's why we have 'whistleblowers' -- including one very respected by the Mass Media -- who are pointing out the non-public studies that showed DNA damage. We cannot confirm because, again, the US FDA and NIH can only publish what the Pharma wants.
Because Pharmasset developed this drug, and then Pharmasset ended all development. But then Pharmasset was acquired by Merck for a very inflated price according to many market analysts. I wonder why?
So we can confirm nothing, other than what 'whistleblowers' state, but given the history of this drug according to many reputable people, I'm not getting it. I will refuse it until it's been around a few years ... along with all meds based on N4-hydroxycytidine compounds.
We'll see what happens with insurance, especially if volume brings down the price. Because even if it's yanked by the US FDA at a latter date, because the DNA damage is confirmed, I'm not really interested in the class action lawsuit that pays out.
Because Pharmasset developed this drug, and then Pharmasset ended all development. But then Pharmasset was acquired by Merck for a very inflated price according to many market analysts. I wonder why?
So we can confirm nothing, other than what 'whistleblowers' state, but given the history of this drug according to many reputable people, I'm not getting it. I will refuse it until it's been around a few years ... along with all meds based on N4-hydroxycytidine compounds.
We'll see what happens with insurance, especially if volume brings down the price. Because even if it's yanked by the US FDA at a latter date, because the DNA damage is confirmed, I'm not really interested in the class action lawsuit that pays out.
And people wonder why we're trusting regulators less and less again? It's not anti-vax or anti-Pharma, it's just historical precedent. We've done this over and over and it's why people bring it up again and again.
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Two days ago I didn’t give a shit and today I don’t give a shit.
And you continue to admit you will not believe anything that isn't from Pharma, the US Mass Media or Politicians you agree with. Got it.
It's none-too-difficult to look up some of the history of MK-4482 / EIDD-2801, and what Rick Bright -- the darling of the left Mass Media -- had to say about it.
Even the DoD decided against funding it, despite Dr. Fauci's push -- probably because Fauci remembered being against several, re-purposed meds during HIV, only to change years later.
There has been an utter 'whitewash' of it's history. This is only going to destroy the trust in US Mass Media and Politicians, possibly the US FDA if it approves it, if it blows up years later. And yes, guys ... the US FDA yanks meds years down the road ... regularly. I cannot believe everyone 'blindly trusts' meds when they are from Big Pharma ...
Because even an expert beloved by the left finally 'whistleblew' proprietary information from when it was owned by Pharmasset, which Merck now owns.
There has been an utter 'whitewash' of it's history. This is only going to destroy the trust in US Mass Media and Politicians, possibly the US FDA if it approves it, if it blows up years later. And yes, guys ... the US FDA yanks meds years down the road ... regularly. I cannot believe everyone 'blindly trusts' meds when they are from Big Pharma ...
Because even an expert beloved by the left finally 'whistleblew' proprietary information from when it was owned by Pharmasset, which Merck now owns.
You guys do what you want, call me what you want, but I will not be getting any meds based on N4-hydroxycytidine compounds until they've been proven after several years.
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Virtually no one disagrees with this, other than the really 'far out' anti-vax folk.
But that has nothing to do with spread, or the fact that SARS-CoV-2 has been admitted -- by most experts -- to now be endemic. I.e., it's here to stay, as some predicted even a year ago.
Now the 'new debate' is what meds are good, or not, because people are still going to be hospitalized, even the vaccinated. Because it's finally no longer vax v. meds, but vax + what meds?
This 'meds bad ... oh, wait, there's good meds now' is turning out to be an utter repeat of HIV, as I warned last fall when it was initially 'meds bad.' Follow the money. Honestly, that's not conspiracy theory.
It's historical precedent. This is the time to question, more than ever!
There is no new debate. People need to get vaccinated. Yes there are breakthrough cases amongst the vaccinated but it's significantly less than the unvaccinated.
You keep drawing a comparison to HIV and COVID but you really can't. We have a vaccine for COVID, scientists still haven't developed one for HIV. and while it may be true that we never really tried hard to create a HIV vaccine, we have at this point several very effective vaccines for COVID-19.
Mandated MMR shots virtually eliminated those diseases.
COVID-19 is here to stay and as long as people find excuses not to get vaccinated, we aren't going to move beyond the point we are now and that virus will continue to mutate until the vaccines are no longer effective.
This is playing out exactly as I expected. Merck wasn't gonna be left out of the party after they farked up their vaccine.
As long as they could hide the birth defects and mutagenics, it would sail right through approval. The FDA just approved an alzheimers drug that had NO clinical efficacy data. The bar is pretty low.
But let these tools take that toxic poison when their time comes. Docs will be giving it out like candy in no time. Post exposure prophlaxis, early treatment and so on.
My clan will be in the control group with safe antivirals. I wouldn't give molnupiravir to the local rat population for fear of mutating into ratzilla
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Have fun with your horse paste regimen. Hope your package hasn’t shrunken too much.This is playing out exactly as I expected. Merck wasn't gonna be left out of the party after they farked up their vaccine.
As long as they could hide the birth defects and mutagenics, it would sail right through approval. The FDA just approved an alzheimers drug that had NO clinical efficacy data. The bar is pretty low.
But let these tools take that toxic poison when their time comes. Docs will be giving it out like candy in no time. Post exposure prophlaxis, early treatment and so on.
My clan will be in the control group with safe antivirals. I wouldn't give molnupiravir to the local rat population for fear of mutating into ratzilla
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This is playing out exactly as I expected. Merck wasn't gonna be left out of the party after they farked up their vaccine.
As long as they could hide the birth defects and mutagenics, it would sail right through approval. The FDA just approved an alzheimers drug that had NO clinical efficacy data. The bar is pretty low.
But let these tools take that toxic poison when their time comes. Docs will be giving it out like candy in no time. Post exposure prophlaxis, early treatment and so on.
My clan will be in the control group with safe antivirals. I wouldn't give molnupiravir to the local rat population for fear of mutating into ratzilla
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We'v utterly de-incentivized methodical R&D and other innovation, and promoted quick-fixes and re-branding. I mean, anyone working on a full, intra-nasal, vaccine vector has pretty much been 'frozen out' in the US. And now with meds ... yeah.
I just hope some of the 'left out' Europeans have a solution. France is pushing forward with an intra-nasal vaccine, even if still spike-protein based, probably because they 'missed out' unlike the US, UK, Germany and a few others.]
But meds? Yeah, it's gonna be a mess.
Yeah, the Alzheimer's drug was also on the forefront of my mind, but I didn't want to distract from CoV and HIV history. But yeah ... that one, won't go there right now.
The sheep are literally eating up whatever the US Mass Media and Politicians they agree with say. But let's all literally be 3rd graders, and deserve what we get as a result.
Okay, I'll humor you ...
Let's say Ivermectin is the wrong direction, along with the 15+ other off-label, re-purposed medicines, including various meds that have been used off-label for other diseases as anti-virals too.
Let's say none of them work for SARS-CoV-2. Now let's focus on Molnupiravir ...
Beyond the fact that you're seemingly denying (let me know if otherwise) that Molnupiravir was developed for Influenza, as a Tamiflu competitor, by Pharmasset, and don't believe it's -- essentially -- being 're-purposed' as well ...
Understand the only difference between Ivermectin and Molnupiravir is that Ivermectin is already US FDA approved and considered safe in specific doses, for human use on-label (putting off-label to the side) and ... Molnupiravir is not, and has never been.
So ... why are you so ready to believe Molnupiravir is better than Ivermectin? They are only taking different paths. Ivermectin is already US FDA approved, but it's use as an anti-viral is not approved, even though it has been used off-label for other diseases than a de-wormer.
Again, Molnupiravir has not been approved at all, and likely will not be fully approved by the US FDA anytime soon, just allowed under specific conditions in the future. It's been used for Flu and, now, CoV in Pharma IP owner-only studies. In fact, Ivermectin has been 1,000x more studies outside of the Pharma that developed it. So ...
Understand the only difference between Ivermectin and Molnupiravir is that Ivermectin is already US FDA approved and considered safe in specific doses, for human use on-label (putting off-label to the side) and ... Molnupiravir is not, and has never been.
So ... why are you so ready to believe Molnupiravir is better than Ivermectin? They are only taking different paths. Ivermectin is already US FDA approved, but it's use as an anti-viral is not approved, even though it has been used off-label for other diseases than a de-wormer.
Again, Molnupiravir has not been approved at all, and likely will not be fully approved by the US FDA anytime soon, just allowed under specific conditions in the future. It's been used for Flu and, now, CoV in Pharma IP owner-only studies. In fact, Ivermectin has been 1,000x more studies outside of the Pharma that developed it. So ...
Q: Are you saying you trust one Pharma with its own drug -- also re-purposed -- under its own studies that is not FDA approved more than the full medical community that has been studying another drug that is already FDA approved for decades?!
If so ... you think we're idiots?!
No, this is patently false.
There are studies after studies at the US NIH and others that show the rate is the same with SARS-CoV-2 Delta.
The California study just hit last week showcasing, once again, that's the case. Even the UK and Israeli's are pointing this out as well, even though the US Mass Media is saying otherwise.
KEY POINT: We do not have US CDC numbers on 'breakthrough infections' any more because the CDC stopped defining 'breakthrough infections' as anything but serious disease or death, not actually testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, over 6 months ago -- before Delta was common. That was a 100% political move that not only every medical school has been critical of, but the US NIH and even the US FDA itself as of late,
Only serious disease and death have been proven to be 1/5th to 1/10th, which is by design.
KEY POINT: We do not have US CDC numbers on 'breakthrough infections' any more because the CDC stopped defining 'breakthrough infections' as anything but serious disease or death, not actually testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, over 6 months ago -- before Delta was common. That was a 100% political move that not only every medical school has been critical of, but the US NIH and even the US FDA itself as of late,
Only serious disease and death have been proven to be 1/5th to 1/10th, which is by design.
This is why you need to actually read what I say, and why I'm saying it's not vax v. meds ...
I said the Medicine Debate of SARS-CoV-2 is matching exactly the HIV debate. I have never said anything about vaccines (other that it's vax + meds). Furthermore ...
We absolutely have! We've spent far more on HIV vaccine research than SARS-CoV-2! I'd argue, in inflation adjusted dollars, 25x as much. And we do have a PrEP!
In fact, one could strongly argue that the vax v. meds is really stupid, because the line of 'preventive' is blured. E.g., Truvada
Truvada is a pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) that prevents HIV infection more than the mRNA vaccines prevent SARS-CoV-2 Delta infection. In fact, the mRNA vaccine vectors don't prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection at all.
So is Truvada a med?! Or is it a vaccine?! And before you answer ... understand rabbies 'vaccines' are actually PrEP too. So now ... do you want to 'get into the details'? Or do you want to join the 3rd grade class?
Because 3rd graders debate things like ... whether Pluto is a planet.
Real astrophysicists debate the detailed physics.
Understand my point?!
Truvada is a pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) that prevents HIV infection more than the mRNA vaccines prevent SARS-CoV-2 Delta infection. In fact, the mRNA vaccine vectors don't prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection at all.
So is Truvada a med?! Or is it a vaccine?! And before you answer ... understand rabbies 'vaccines' are actually PrEP too. So now ... do you want to 'get into the details'? Or do you want to join the 3rd grade class?
Because 3rd graders debate things like ... whether Pluto is a planet.
Real astrophysicists debate the detailed physics.
Understand my point?!
Effective at preventing serious disease and death.
Not effective at all at preventing infection of SARS-CoV-2 Delta.
They weren't very effective at SARS-CoV-2 Alpha either, and Wuhan-1 barely half. That's just proven fact in study after study of secondary transmission numbers.
Which explains why viral loads with Delta are the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated. But the US CDC doesn't have those numbers, because it played politics.
Which explains why viral loads with Delta are the same, vaccinated or unvaccinated. But the US CDC doesn't have those numbers, because it played politics.
So we're back to saying mRNA vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 are like MMR, and sterilizing and can achieve herd immunity. Sigh ...
Again, you're still believing the sterilization and herd immunity argument?!
You still think they are effective against infection?!
HINT: They were never even designed to do such! They don't.
I'll quote Time magazine from 2021 February, as they were the most succinct ...
This is why it's getting old as the continued blame of the unvaccinated continues. People were lied to about what these vectors did. They are nothing like MMR!
"The way most people think of vaccines is pretty simple: you get vaccinated, and your immune system is primed and trained to fight off the invisible intruder in question, be it virus or bacteria. If you’re protected, you can’t be infected, and if you’re not infected, then you can’t spread it to anyone else.
And that’s true most of the time. But not all vaccines work that way, and it’s not actually what the two COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNtech—are designed to do. Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself."
This is why it's getting old as the continued blame of the unvaccinated continues. People were lied to about what these vectors did. They are nothing like MMR!
This has now come 'full circle' into the 'Booster' requirement, even though all -- the US FDA, US NIH and even WHO -- state that there is no data that a Booster helps rebuild anything but more IgG antibodies, which seem to persist long-term any way. Only in the immunocompromised or elderly do they have fewer anti-bodies generated, hence the 'Boosters' for them.
Now ... are you just going to join the others in making fun of me?
Now ... are you just going to join the others in making fun of me?
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Mobile murderer is at it again. Over or under at 100 for the number of dead people his shitty advice and clear ignorance of vaccines has produced? I’d like to see the justice department start prosecuting these twats and putting them in jail where they belong. All that prison food might finally get his ass in shape.
This is why I wanted to start a new thread of 'Meds' purposely separate from 'Vax.' But since @Brandon thumbs-downed it, I renamed it to DELETE. I wanted respected his board and views. But ...
Guys ... Meds are either here or coming.
I would really advise people to pay close attention to the critics in the case of many. I don't want to see anyone hurt. I mean, I'm not sold on Ivermectin myself. But the number of people bashing Ivermectin but eager for a N4-hydroxycytidine based compound in -- also quite re-purposed -- Molnupiravir is shocking!
Especially since Ivermectin is US FDA approved and long considered safe for humans in the approved doses. It also has underdone massive scrutiny in many studies, with mixed results in off-label use, but no harm under currently FDA approved doses.
Molnupiravir has never been US FDA approved, and likely won't anytime soon. It will be under pre-approved studies and even generic trials. And those will be 100% by, of and for the Pharma -- Merck -- itself. That's what's scary!
But you guys go ahead and make fun of anyone speaking about Ivermectin while blindly supporting Molnupravir. Again, the latter does not have a good history for even the flu! It was dropped as a Tamiflu competitor for a reason by the company Merck now owns.
Molnupiravir has never been US FDA approved, and likely won't anytime soon. It will be under pre-approved studies and even generic trials. And those will be 100% by, of and for the Pharma -- Merck -- itself. That's what's scary!
But you guys go ahead and make fun of anyone speaking about Ivermectin while blindly supporting Molnupravir. Again, the latter does not have a good history for even the flu! It was dropped as a Tamiflu competitor for a reason by the company Merck now owns.
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It truly is a circle jerk. The funny/ironic thing about it that vaccinated UCFmikes is headed to the Navy game in a packed stadium, without a mask, with a vaccination card, while the rest of these retards like UCFBS are sitting in an empty stadium with 2 masks.
Knighttime can’t get into NYC or DC restaurants without a vaccination card, and the rest of their circle jerk friends are well…, having a circle jerk at home without a life
But, but we are the scared ones on lockdown cowering in our basements. 😂😂😂😂
Let them keep fighting those vaccines 💉🙄😩🤦🏻♂️
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