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UCF lands the #1 Go5 recruiting class

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The late addition of the 4* running back pushed UCF to #54 on 247 Sport team rankings. Not only is that the top class in the AAC (ahead of #59 Memphis) but it is also the top class amongst all of the teams in Go5 conferences.

For those who do not know, the Group of 5 conferences are the 5 FBS conferences outside the Power 5 conferences. They include the American Athletic (12 teams), Conference USA (13 teams), Mid-American (12 teams), Mountain West (12 teams), and the Sun Belt (11 teams). That is a total of 60 FBS teams.

#1 out of 60 Go5 teams. That is pretty impressive.

Congratulations UCF!

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Note: Houston, UConn, USF, and Temple are breaking in new coaches this year. That's 4 teams going through a transition season. The young UCF team is a year older and wiser. That bodes well for a UCF run to the 2017 AAC championship.
 
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GardenStateUCFan said:
The late addition of the 4* running back pushed UCF to #54 on 247 Sport team rankings. Not only is that the top class in the AAC (ahead of #59 Memphis) but it is also the top class amongst all of the teams in Go5 conferences.

For those who do not know, the Group of 5 conferences are the 5 FBS conferences outside the Power 5 conferences. They include the American Athletic (12 teams), Conference USA (13 teams), Mid-American (12 teams), Mountain West (12 teams), and the Sun Belt (11 teams). That is a total of 60 FBS teams.

#1 out of 60 Go5 teams. That is pretty impressive.

Congratulations UCF!

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

Note: Houston, UConn, USF, and Temple are breaking in new coaches this year. That's 4 teams going through a transition season. The young UCF team is a year older and wiser. That bodes well for a UCF run to the 2017 AAC championship.
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And ahead of 12 of the P5 schools, almost all perennial bottom-feeders. That suggest to any P5 conference thinking of inviting us in that UCF's recruiting would be near the middle of their conference pack (after benefiting from P5's revenue and stature advantages), like Utah but better than other recent invites Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, and BC.
 
UCFProf said:
And ahead of 12 of the P5 schools, almost all perennial bottom-feeders. That suggest to any P5 conference thinking of inviting us in that UCF's recruiting would be near the middle of their conference pack (after benefiting from P5's revenue and stature advantages), like Utah but better than other recent invites Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, and BC.
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Thats one of the funny things about recruiting though, most coaches agree, anyone outside of the top 20 and even more so top 10 in recruiting, generally isnt seperated by that much other than the bottom quarter of the class. Lousville for example, on 247 has only 2 more 4 stars than us, and their 3 stars or only of slightly higher "quality" (which means nothing really) that ours. They are roughly at number 30. The difference between being at 60 and being near the top 25 is adding 1 or 2 more 4stars per class and thats really it.
 
I really hate when our own fans use the G5 label. Like we are any different than half the ACC or half the Big 12.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
I really hate when our own fans use the G5 label. Like we are any different than half the ACC or half the Big 12.
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Because those halfs are on the inside assured of high revenues and low student athletic fees. We are on the outside looking in, depending on the kindness of strangers and have no control over our fate. Worse yet, the gap will only grow larger and the entry door may swing closed should the P5 divorce itself from the NCAA. A Purdue, Kansas, Boston College, or Washington St. is always just a lucky coaching hire and a fluke year away from winning the national championship, while UCF can't have the schedule to get there even by going undefeated (unlike in basketball, where it's settled on the court).
 
UCFProf said:
Because those halfs are on the inside assured of high revenues and low student athletic fees. We are on the outside looking in, depending on the kindness of strangers and have no control over our fate. Worse yet, the gap will only grow larger and the entry door may swing closed should the P5 divorce itself from the NCAA. A Purdue, Kansas, Boston College, or Washington St. is always just a lucky coaching hire and a fluke year away from winning the national championship, while UCF can't have the schedule to get there even by going undefeated (unlike in basketball, where it's settled on the court).
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Our athletic revenue is over $50 million. We are not that far from the lower teams in the ACC without the extra $25- 32 million in tv revenue.
 
SublimeKnight said:
We have P6 stickers, so we must now measure ourselves against our P6 equals.
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Roger That!

On national signing day, the 4* RB publically announced his commitment to Maryland and then sent his LOI to UCF. It would not surprise me if he enrolls at Rutgers!

:D
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
Our athletic revenue is over $50 million. We are not that far from the lower teams in the ACC without the extra $25- 32 million in tv revenue.
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Our annual budget and revenue are both in the neighborhood of $46 - $48 million. Not a big difference, but still well under $50 million and still well below most P5 budgets.

And the majority of that revenue is from student athletic fees, which is something that is looked down on by college athletics power brokers.

Danny White is trying to close the gap by more closely aligning football ticket prices with actual demand section by section throughout the stadium. But, with the incessant whining of people in the more expensive sections we will have to see how that works out.
 
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Our athletic revenue is over $50 million. We are not that far from the lower teams in the ACC without the extra $25- 32 million in tv revenue.
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But that's largely because we, like USF, get over 40% of it from some of the very highest student fees in the nation, and assessed on our huge enrollments. UF students (despite coming from much wealthier families, on average), fund only 3% of their school's athletic budget (at FSU, it's only 10%). Furthermore, after years of raising that fee (and enrollment growth), that ship has sailed -- no opportunity for further growth. FIU and FAU are in even worse shape (last I checked, over 70% of their budget was from student fees).
 
Square Knight said:
Our annual budget and revenue are both in the neighborhood of $46 - $48 million. Not a big difference, but still well under $50 million and still well below most P5 budgets.

And the majority of that revenue is from student athletic fees, which is something that is looked down on by college athletics power brokers.

Danny White is trying to close the gap by more closely aligning football ticket prices with actual demand section by section throughout the stadium. But, with the incessant whining of people in the more expensive sections we will have to see how that works out.
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I thought our budget recently went over $50 million but regardless we have enough to compete. We get a lot in student fees because we also have the #2 enrollment which is going to balloon further with a downtown campus.

We are in a talent rich state so we don't have to pay for as many out of state tuition rates. We shouldn't have to spend as much as Syracuse on a recruiting budget because we can get enough from our region.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
I thought our budget recently went over $50 million but regardless we have enough to compete. We get a lot in student fees because we also have the #2 enrollment which is going to balloon further with a downtown campus.
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Not by much. Most students will be Valencia students, though whole UCF colleges will be relocated there. Enrollment will soon be declining nationally due to the rapidly aging population and end of the latest Boomer echo. UCF has always had the highest student-to-faculty ratio (far worse than even USF!) in the nation, which always hurt our academic rankings. Massive budget cuts in 2009 have never been restored, and the emphasis is now on growing the graduate student enrollment so we can qualify in the highest research-intensive category (grant funding has always been pathetic). The final reason for likely enrollment decline is the state focus on speeding graduation time, and thus minimal courses taken.
 
UCFProf said:
Not by much. Most students will be Valencia students, though whole UCF colleges will be relocated there. Enrollment will soon be declining nationally due to the rapidly aging population and end of the latest Boomer echo. UCF has always had the highest student-to-faculty ratio (far worse than even USF!) in the nation, which always hurt our academic rankings. Massive budget cuts in 2009 have never been restored, and the emphasis is now on growing the graduate student enrollment so we can qualify in the highest research-intensive category (grant funding has always been pathetic). The final reason for likely enrollment decline is the state focus on speeding graduation time, and thus minimal courses taken.
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I'm really not going to shed tears over university budget cuts with colleges adding lazy rivers, resort pools, luxury buildings, etc. How much have the salaries grown for professers? While the average American has a declining household income over the last 10 years. I don't mind making sure that technology and research is funded, but the infrastructure at these schools is going over the top.
 
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I'm really not going to shed tears over university budget cuts with colleges adding lazy rivers, resort pools, luxury buildings, etc. How much have the salaries grown for professers? While the average American has a declining household income over the last 10 years. I don't mind making sure that technology and research is funded, but the infrastructure at these schools is going over the top.
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Point taken. But we went 8 years without a raise while the school teachers were complaining about their 2 and 3% raises. Class sizes went way up and so did the teaching loads as open positions never got filled. My dept saw increased overall enrollment while losing a net 12 full-time faculty via retirement and departures to places paying more. Students delayed graduation a full year because every seat was filled 4 months before the fall term began.

Our alums never wrote their legislators demanding that funding not be slashed (resulting in a lower market value for holding a UCF degree). Every state legislature knows they can steal from university budgets without a squawk because an aging population has fewer kids of college age!
 
Stormthecourt? said:
So even if Cordarrian never plays he helped us get that number 1 spot
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And only 4 other G5 schools signed 4 star players, whereas Alabama, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Georgia had at least 18 while Alabama, Ohio St., and FSU together collared almost half of the 5 stars! At the other end of the distribution, Akron had zero 3 star recruits and UTEP had but 1.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
We won a bcs game and a top 10 ranking. Something many of these so called p5 can't do.
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"We"? Did you play? It is your team and not "we".
Your team also went 0-12 twice. That is more indicative of the team's place.

The top 10 ranking was undeserved. Central Florida didn't play anybody. Also, blind squirrel gets the nut once in awhile. Baylor just had a bad day.
 
meee2, your team is garbage, but come on now.... keep strong.

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"We"? Did you play? It is your team and not "we".
Your team also went 0-12 twice. That is more indicative of the team's place.

The top 10 ranking was undeserved. Central Florida didn't play anybody. Also, blind squirrel gets the nut once in awhile. Baylor just had a bad day.
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KNIGHTTIME^ said:
How much have the salaries grown for professers? While the average American has a declining household income over the last 10 years.
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Wait, I'm confused. Are you complaining about Professors wages or the way universities spend money on infrastructure, because while those teacher designated as Professors might make decent money, other teaching staff aren't.
 
KNIGHTTIME^ said:
I'm really not going to shed tears over university budget cuts with colleges adding lazy rivers, resort pools, luxury buildings, etc. How much have the salaries grown for professers? While the average American has a declining household income over the last 10 years. I don't mind making sure that technology and research is funded, but the infrastructure at these schools is going over the top.
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Then consider the amount the sports coaches are making - or in many cases even being paid massive buyouts to NOT coach.

The earnings have risen so much that in 39 of the 50 US states, the highest-paid public employee is a university coach.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-highest-paid-public-employee-college-coach-2016-9
 
HammerB08 said:
Then consider the amount the sports coaches are making - or in many cases even being paid massive buyouts to NOT coach.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-states-highest-paid-public-employee-college-coach-2016-9
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Actually, the highest income-earners are no longer athletic coaches. Federal law requires even private universities to report their 5 highest income personnel. For the past decade, research professors at university med schools often earn the most (and they often aren't even full professors!) because Big Pharma funds their high profit prescription drugs. Even CalTech and MIT are now biology research factories, rather than the physical sciences, because that's where all the grant money is!
 
meee2 said:
"We"? Did you play? It is your team and not "we".
Your team also went 0-12 twice. That is more indicative of the team's place.

The top 10 ranking was undeserved. Central Florida didn't play anybody. Also, blind squirrel gets the nut once in awhile. Baylor just had a bad day.
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IMO if you graduate from a school you can say we. Move along.
 
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Wasn't our 2011 class ranked higher in nation? 43 or so?
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Much higher than we've now sunk to (over 100th RPI). That was a fun team, but they too sunk badly during conference play (Marcus got pretty beat up and opponents never let Clanton near the basket (by collapsing on him like they now do with Tacko). So at this point, it's apples and oranges until season end or even conference tourney.
 
UCFProf said:
Much higher than we've now sunk to (over 100th RPI). That was a fun team, but they too sunk badly during conference play (Marcus got pretty beat up and opponents never let Clanton near the basket (by collapsing on him like they now do with Tacko). So at this point, it's apples and oranges until season end or even conference tourney.
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Marcus also never learned how to dribble to the right.
 
UCFProf said:
Much higher than we've now sunk to (over 100th RPI). That was a fun team, but they too sunk badly during conference play (Marcus got pretty beat up and opponents never let Clanton near the basket (by collapsing on him like they now do with Tacko). So at this point, it's apples and oranges until season end or even conference tourney.
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Referring to football.
 
firm_bizzle said:
UCFProf said:
Much higher than we've now sunk to (over 100th RPI). That was a fun team, but they too sunk badly during conference play (Marcus got pretty beat up and opponents never let Clanton near the basket (by collapsing on him like they now do with Tacko). So at this point, it's apples and oranges until season end or even conference tourney.
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Marcus also never learned how to dribble to the right.
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Say what? In man to man situations from near the FT Line, 80% (or more), Marcus would drive RIGHT to the hole and usually either made it or got fouled.

He as seemed to be more comfortable and have more power driving right, even though he was left handed.

For a shooting guard, he was a pretty good ball handler.
 
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Say what? In man to man situations from near the FT Line, 80% (or more), Marcus would drive RIGHT to the hole and usually either made it or got fouled.

He as seemed to be more comfortable and have more power driving right, even though he was left handed.

For a shooting guard, he was a pretty good ball handler.
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That may be correct. He was left handed and always drove right. The point is that it was predictable.
 
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