What a shit show.
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LMAO. Kevin McCarthy removed as speaker and this should come as no surprise considering it took 15 rounds just to vote the bastard in. Only one to get him out though...
Why does everything that comes from California just suck at their job?
Why does everything that comes from California just suck at their job?
I'm not a fan of McCarthy but this was more about Gaetz wanting his TV time and not liking McCarthy personally. I think Gaetz is the one sucking at his job.
LMAO. Nice spin. I can't stand Gaetz but he won. Lemme do the math again....hmmmm... carry the one.....this and that.......
15>>>>>>>>>>>>1
Yeah but the math is because of Democrats who are thinking the shit show is good for their side. Only 8 Republicans voted to oust him, where as every Democrat did. If this was good for Republicans do you think every Democrat would support it, and only 8 Republicans would?
It doesn't matter. He won. You can sit here and spin it with mental gymnastics all day long and the fact remains: he gone, and it took all of an hour to do it.
It does matter. If it hurts Republicans going forward then what did he really win other than short term gratification? I guess you can say he won a personal vendetta against McCarthy and got his tv time, but if you aren't considering what it might have cost him and the Republicans going forward, then you aren't looking at the whole picture.
I don't think you're comprehending why I said it didn't matter. We aren't talking about the same thing here.
I have responded to what you have said. But ok, Gaetz won his tv time and helped the Democrats and divided his party even more. A real political mastermind at work.
No one said he was a political mastermind. Maybe you missed the part where I said I can't stand him. He still won. Two things can be true at the same time, skippy.
What can also be true is that he is the dog that caught the tire and then it doesn't work out well for him. I am not sure what you are arguing with me about. I said he won his tv time and his personal vendetta, but you are telling me I don't get it, so you must think he won something more.
How did we get here? You know we have not had a real budget and real debate since around 1998 or . Congress has just put this thing on cruise control and then after 9/11 starting with Bush it has been govern by crisis . We have to pass this spending Bill and we have to pass this law because it's a crisis. It's a crisis . It started with the Patriot Act (which I am very much against) and most recently the Inflation Reduction Act .
I don't know if yall have kids or not,but in my youngest son's lifetime who was born in 2001 our national debt was around a trillion . Think about it, we racked up a trillion from 1791 when the Constitution was ratified to the year 2001. Now our debt is over $32 trillion . It's Republicans and Democrats.
Our government is so screwed up and extremely poorly run by Congress . It's crazy how both sides just love the spending by crisis mode. Its not sustainable. It's not sustainable if you raise taxes. I do not like Gaetz and I don't hate him, because I don't know him. I do appreciate his principles on this spending though. His political calculations here could end up being genius or being stupid.
I don't know if yall have kids or not,but in my youngest son's lifetime who was born in 2001 our national debt was around a trillion . Think about it, we racked up a trillion from 1791 when the Constitution was ratified to the year 2001. Now our debt is over $32 trillion . It's Republicans and Democrats.
Our government is so screwed up and extremely poorly run by Congress . It's crazy how both sides just love the spending by crisis mode. Its not sustainable. It's not sustainable if you raise taxes. I do not like Gaetz and I don't hate him, because I don't know him. I do appreciate his principles on this spending though. His political calculations here could end up being genius or being stupid.
It's not the democrats responsibility to bail out Republicans for their stupidity. Republicans embraced the maga bs, including McCarthy when he went to mara Lago after Jan 6. Republicans know the maga people are nuts, but they still campaign for them, give them committee assignments, the news channels build them up, etc etc. Your first paragraph is exactly the problem with the Republican party, they can't accept responsibility for anything, and now they are reaping the rewards for the thing they created themselves.
I wholehearted agree we've got to control spending. But pardon me if I take Gaetz's "cut spending principles" with a serious grain of salt. We've racked up more of the debt that you've identified under Republican Presidents than Democrat ones. Where were Gaetz's and his MAGA buddies concerns over government spending whenTrump was President? Back then, you heard crickets.
And that's the way it has ALWAYS been. The ONLY time Republicans talk about the debt is when their guy isn't in the WH.
The reality is that it would have been an ideal time to save McCarthy's job IF the Democrats could've trusted him. But nobody on Capitol Hill trusted the Speaker.
THIS! ^^^^^
Who went down quicker:
Kevin McCarthy after being a decent human being or Lauren Boebart on her first date in a public theater?
Kevin McCarthy after being a decent human being or Lauren Boebart on her first date in a public theater?
This is all pretty funny to watch. Rep vs Rep. Dems do what they say is bad for the country to damage republicans. (Damaging opposition is more important than country. 8 republicans thank them for their votes. If any of them ever decide (Rep or Dem) to give a damn about the country it would be hard to believe. Power money name recognition, more $$, added to any extra $$ they can find to stuff all their collective pockets. Next question could Trump get the job for a month or 2, or does Jordan get the job.
Rich men north of Richmond.
Rich men north of Richmond.
$1.4T/year just interest on the debt is coming ...
reason.com
The debt crisis is getting real
Rising bond yields mean the national debt is going to be a lot more expensive in the next few years, and we just keep adding to it.
reason.com
none of this BS matters. WE ARE DOOMED!!!
SS and Medicare/caide are ready to explode, and they never [Dems and Reps] did the right thing and dealt with the problem. Govt bonds are rolling over at much higher rates, while both parties were more interested in buying votes than figuring out how to pay for them.
They have backed themselves into a corner that is almost impossible to back out of. What makes it worse is they don't even understand they are in the corner.
SS and Medicare/caide are ready to explode, and they never [Dems and Reps] did the right thing and dealt with the problem. Govt bonds are rolling over at much higher rates, while both parties were more interested in buying votes than figuring out how to pay for them.
They have backed themselves into a corner that is almost impossible to back out of. What makes it worse is they don't even understand they are in the corner.
There are easy fixes for both programs. It simply requires Congress to do its job.
But thanks to the Republican Clowns in Congress, the House is a sh*t show and the Senate does nothing.
There are fixes, but neither party is interested in making them It isn't the Republican clowns, Dems just had both House and senate and had no desire to fix either. It was an not difficult fix 10 years ago, it is much harder today. and by the time the "S".. hits the fan it will be much harder yet.
The swamp has no plans nor desires to do its job. That isn't a republican problem and it isn't a Democratic problem it is a weak kneed swamp critter problem.
The swamp has no plans nor desires to do its job. That isn't a republican problem and it isn't a Democratic problem it is a weak kneed swamp critter problem.
This ISN'T a Republican problem???!?
Got it.
If they're ALL BAD, I guess that means a failed insurrection, having the GOP's leading candidate for POTUS sporting 4 felony indictments, a single Republican Senator holding up the country's military appointments, and the clusterfcuk going on in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives isn't all that newsworthy, its all just Washington "swamp" stuff.
Swamp will be swamp. Republicans are 49.5% of it right now.
My answer was on Social Security/Medicare/caide. and yes that is a Politician problem that neither side is willing to tackle.
My answer was on Social Security/Medicare/caide. and yes that is a Politician problem that neither side is willing to tackle.
But the control isn't. The Censorship, the Debanking/Bankrupting and other tactics.At least the fault is equal.
The Democratic Party's US is the new Weimar Republic, all while embracing Soviet Socialist economics.
uh, guys? I was being facetious.
How do you possibly equalize 1) a failed insurrection, 2) having the GOP's leading candidate for POTUS sporting 4 felony indictments, 3) a single Republican Senator holding up the country's military appointments, and 4) the clusterfcuk going on in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives? Get Real.
What does any of that have to do with neither party having the guts to deal with SS and Medicare. Dems had Obama a prez a large majority in the house, and 1 vote short of veto proof Senate. They never brought up a bill or even considered it.
Stop talking to me like I'm a Republican, much less a Trump voter.
I'm not voting for any totalitarian candidates, much less the party who literally tells Americans they cannot be trusted with the 1st Amendment. You are literally letting the US gov't censor and even bankrupt people for no crime.
My Framers, learn from history! Oh, that's right, you ignore history, from US involvement undermining Ukranian Democracy to FDR's totalitarianism.
I just lost a long time high school friend when he would not admit that there was an insurrection. I realized I just don't want to be associated with a person with such double standards, i.e. religious, follow the 10 commandments, treat people fairly........he wouldn't even admit how many died AS A RESULT of the insurrection. He wanted to split hairs and try to say technically nobody died. I'm like dude....later!
Silly me, I always thought 'do unto others as you would have others do unto you' was a core value of Christianity. Who knew the Old Testament supercedes The New Testament when it comes to bigotry and hate?
This is your response to me pointing out the totalitarianism of the MAGA Crowd? For someone who claims he's not a Trumpster or a MAGA Republican, you can always be counted on to defend them.
You bring up SS and Medicare and point to the Democrats while the GOP is burning the frickin' House down!!! We've got MAJOR events going on in the World right now and our House of Representatives can't even bring up a bill or even a resolution until a new Speaker is named. WTF??? Where in God's name are the adults in the room?
Dems do what they say is bad for the country??!? Heeeeelllloooooo---Kevin McCarthy is out as Speaker because HE DARED TO SIDE WITH THE DEMS TO AVOID A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
We're in the mess we're in because no Speaker candidate dares talk to the other side of the aisle, let alone make a deal with them. How is Congress supposed to get anything accomplished' in a divided House if GOP Representatives aren't allowed to work with the other side? SMH.
I point out the hypocrisy of your totalitarianism and your "I must make up for my Neo-Con history, plus ... the left is the pro-war, pro-totalitarian now, so I'm with them."
I have never been a Republican. I never will be. You cannot say the same. And your insistence, like most of the left, to label everyone you disagree with to be MAGA ... merely because they support 20th Century Liberal ideals, is why Democratic voting parents, especially minorities, are leaving 'your team.'
You cannot call everyone MAGA, and think 'your team' survives. The fact that you are ignorant of history, and don't understand Ukraine ... even attempting to Google hastily, and exposing how much you really don't, is proof.
After pointing out my "totalitarianism," your babbling get incomprehensible.
I've been a registered Democrat, Republican, and independent at one time or another so I'm guessing that makes me a lukewarm "team" member, whereever you want to place me.
My 'totalitarian' views are pretty straightforward and simple. They include:
- Maintaining our 250-year democracy.
- Addressing Climate Change (Good God, how much more evidence to the knuckledraggers need that Mother Nature is Pissed??!?)
- Setting priorities, making hard choices, and balancing our budget.
- Not discriminating against other people.
- Stepping up and establishing some common sense gun laws.
- Stepping up and establishing some common sense immigration laws.
- Giving women control over their own bodies (What a revolutionary thought!!!)
- Believing modern medicine is a good thing.
- Doing what we can to keep the world from blowing up around us (including helping Ukraine from being overrun by Putin's Russian army.)
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