when Derek Chauvin inevitably walks ...
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The length of the restraint wasn’t the problem, the type of restraint that was. Floyd wouldn’t go in the car and it seems like they believed he was going into excited delirium, so they needed to restrain him until medical help arrived. Having Floyd in his stomach with a knee on his neck was just bad. He was seemingly dying before he was on the ground, but that didn’t help any.
His airway was not restricted and the autopsy did not find any petechiae or other blood vessel ruptures common to asphyxiation, damage to neck vertebrae common to strangulation from that type of move, no bruising in the places there would be bruising in the neck if the officer used enough force to close the airway, and not a lot of other physical signs of a forceful asphyxiation or strangulation. It actually takes a lot of force to do that and that force leaves a lot of collateral damage.
It’s possible that it was positional asphyxiation but he was talking and if you’re talking then you’re taking air in and expelling it. So what was the real cause of death? I think there’s enough reasonable doubt to acquit on murder.
But manslaughter... that would fall on whether they followed procedure and if they should’ve recognized that he was dying and acted sooner to call FD. We don’t really know that so the trial will provide insight. Also, if he was on drugs and acting in an unpredictable manner and they had no knowledge that he was on drugs, then it’s reasonable to assume they shouldn’t have expected him to die.
I still think it’s manslaughter on the senior officer and the rest go home.
Nah, when he's acquitted there will be a parade and he will receive the key to the city.
One more thing that is going to go reasonable doubt: Floyd ingested 3x the lethal dose of fentanyl before the interaction. He had a history of ingesting drugs to avoid prosecution and so he probably did this again. IOW, he likely caused his own death doing something he had done before.
Weird how differently you guys view resisting arrest depending upon whether it's George Floyd in Minneapolis, Elijah McClain in Colorado or our MAGA crew 'just having some fun and taking selfies' in the Capitol. 🙄
Yep, it all depends on the cop -- and who you are.
- The rioters going through Ted Cruz's desk in the Senate Chamber were asked nicely to leave.
- Others rioting inside the Capitol had selfies taken with cops.
- One woman climbing through a broken Capitol window got shot and killed. (Let me guess: THIS was an genuine example of a trigger-happy cop, right?)
- And in Aurora, Colorado, a black man minding his own business walking down the sidewalk got injected with a lethal dose of Ketamine.
- And in Minneapolis, MN, a black man detained on a bad check cashing charge has a panic attack and is chocked to death while the crowd begs the officers to help him.
He had a ski mask on. In the middle of summer. That's very suspicious. There is a math equation for this:
Ski mask + 145 lbs + black + male = Take his ass out, 2 shots to the back of the head, humanity benefits.
There's a difference between a bad check, and trying to pass a counterfeit bill then refusing to return the merchandise.
Oops...My bad. You're right. Chauvin was right to take out that counterfeit bill-passing SOB!!!
Nope, just pointing out that you are trying to whitewash things so that your narrative can still be saved.
It wasn't you personally but when it comes to whitewashing, I've never seen more frantic scrubbing than what we got from the Right after January 6th.
given that George Floyd had a violent history, like threatening to kill pregnant women, I would argue the world is a better place without him.
Please give an example of this, because I'm 99.9% sure this is just another strawman.
there are no examples and he knows it. the entirety of the media has painted the situation the same way he has
Good grief, yeah there's no way posters here would EVER try downplaying the Capitol insurrection, right? 🙄 Here's a few examples from Page 1 - including one from you:
You have some serious reading comprehension issues
What didn't I comprehend about your snide little FBI accusation. God forbid, the rioters actually killed him, right?
i'm embarrassed for you that you thought you had a point.
your team won, but you do nothing but take L's everyday on here
I stand by that. You want to call it an insurrection, then prove that they tried to surrect anything or prove that it didn’t give you an urrection(I have no idea what the etymology of insurrection is).
They were there at Trump's request to stop Congress from blessing the EC vote.
This was actually one of Trump's criminal schemes that was actually successful, at least for a few hours.
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. 🙄
Trump STILL says the election was stolen from him yet it's a f*king mystery why his followers would be upset enough to break into the Capitol.
This is like saying Hillary Clinton didn't do anything illegal, or was just ignorant, when she flat out signed agreements for her SSBI, and repeatedly had meetings with DISA and others for her blatant misuse of systems.
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. 🙄
Trump STILL says the election was stolen from him yet it's a f*king mystery why his followers would be upset enough to break into the Capitol.
She also allegedly didn't do anything illegal in her business dealings, when she had massive conflicts-of-interests, and even the EU and others forced her to shut down the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) that was outside the jurisdiction of the US.
At some point, while we may never be able to prove -- decisively -- that Trump told them to do anything. He clearly had the power to do a lot, and was grossly irresponsible. In Trump's defense, Hillary Clinton was as well in 2016, and she's still barking conspiracy theories on Russia now, in 2021, about Trump, including Jan 6th.
Which is why I want to seriously take away the voter registration cards of anyone who defends either Hillary or The Don. But, of course, we can vote stupid because ... well ... it's a civil right. And we deserve what we get too ... more Statism.
If only Elijah McClain hadn't argued with police that he wasn't doing anything and was minding his own business, he'd be alive too, right?
This is not a police state. Police officers exist to maintain law and order, protect members of the public and their property, and improve the quality of life for all citizens. No where is it written that resisting arrest gives an officer authority to injure or kill someone. I've seen countless Youtube videos of citizens who resisted lawful (and unlawful) arrests without injury or death. You'd think this would be the public's expectation for all non-violent offenses.
He was selected and seated on the jury? Last I checked, they are still in the jury selection process.
My bad, totally spaced that. I did notice the same Twitter guy said in a follow-up tweet that the same juror admitted to having an unfavorable opinion of the defendant. I guess in some bizarro way, these 'two contrary' opinions made him "good to go." 🙄
Good or bad, these types of cases are decided in jury selection.
The judge reinstated the 3rd degree murder charge. That should complicate things.
Sounds like wishful thinking. Buddy is going to jail. Dont worry the only people "chimping out" will be people like you at home.
because they reinstated the 3rd degree charge, on account of knowing they wouldn't get him on 2nd degree, which is uh, exacly what i said. lets just be honest, you didn't know the difference between 2nd (which he didn't do) and 3rd degree (which he probably did do)
either way, the world is a better place with one less woman-abusing drug addict terrorizing the city and one less negligent cop.
When police officers are innocent of wrong doing, cities don't usually fork over 27 million dollars to get off the hook.
www.pbs.org
Minneapolis to pay $27 million to settle Floyd family lawsuit
The settlement was announced Friday as jury selection continued in the trial of Derek Chauvin, a white former officer charged with murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death.
www.pbs.org
That 3rd degree murder is going to be problematic on appeal even if they do convict, which I don’t see how they will. The charge was allowed because the court made new precedent over the Mohammed Noor trial. That trial is in appeal so it’s surprising that the definition was allowed to stand in the case while the other one in unsettled.
so then you'll admit that CNN and WaPo are propaganda, right?When police officers are innocent of wrong doing, cities don't usually fork over 27 million dollars to get off the hook.
Minneapolis to pay $27 million to settle Floyd family lawsuit
The settlement was announced Friday as jury selection continued in the trial of Derek Chauvin, a white former officer charged with murder and manslaughter in Floyd's death.
CNN settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann stemming from viral video controversy
CNN has settled a lawsuit with a Kentucky high school student who was at the center of a viral video controversy, a spokesperson for the news network confirmed Tuesday.
www.cnn.com
The Washington Post settles lawsuit with Nick Sandmann after viral March for Life controversy | CNN Business
The Washington Post settled a lawsuit filed by the family of a teenager who was at the center of a viral video controversy, the newspaper and an attorney representing the family said on Friday.
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