when Derek Chauvin inevitably walks ...
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It'll be overturned on appeal. It will be very quiet. The rage mob will move onto something else by then but they need their pound of flesh right now
They can’t do guilty on all counts right? I thought it was pick door one two or 3? Or none at all
They can convict on the 2nd or 3rd and then any or all lesser included offenses.
The judge could conceivably set aside a verdict if, say, they convict on 2nd degree and he believes that the state's case didn't meet the required elements. He won't do that even if he believes it, but he could.
IMO, I don't think that they can convict on both 2nd and 3rd degree murder because of the way the laws are written, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
That this came back with no questions on anything and so quickly suggests that they are either deciding on emotion or self-interest. Probably not at all on the legal merits of the case.
What a bullshit thing to say! If they come back with an acquittal, I have absolutely no doubt that your response will magically change to, "Well, the decision was relatively quick because the evidence was clear-cut in Chauvin's favor."
What made this case a bit different IMHO is that the police department supported the prosecution's case against Chauvin. The prosecution made it crystal clear that the Minneapolis police wasn't on trial in this case, a rogue cop was.
OR "The Chauvin case was pretty clearly going to yield an acquittal based on what happened in the courthouse."
At least the politically-appointed chief of police and whoever wanted to keep their job and hadn't already walked supported the case. How many of them actually supported the case, we may never know. It is interesting that a number of the police that testified were on medical leave at the time that they testified.
Wow, so the police chief was the only current police official to speak against Chauvin?
I was under the impression that the prosecution in this case had successfully chipped away at the "Blue Wall of Silence" that normally surrounds these kinds of cases. Quite frankly, it's in the best interests of all the good cops in the department -- in support all the other good cops across the country -- to testify against bad actors like Chauvin.
a former middle school English teacher has no place to be talking about "whats best for cops".
Guilty on all charges. It's pretty obvious this "chimp" has no clue.
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Good grief, the prosecution in this case made it crystal clear in their closing argument that this case wasn't an indictment of police in general or the Minneapolis police force in particular. It was a recognition there are bad cops that need to be recognized and removed BEFORE something like this case happens.
One would HOPE that you would support that notion.
And then the defense shot it all to hell. I’m fine disagreeing with you. I think the jury did the easy thing and I can’t blame them. Hopefully this means police are safer tonight and there isn’t a mass exodus of good police officers.
A mass exodus of GOOD police officers? WTF? I'm sorry you are unable to recognize and appreciate that this verdict HELPS professionals like your police officer wife.
Frankly, I would seriously wonder about the professionalism of any police officer who is upset about this verdict.
Maybe those "good police officers" should have covered this up better like they usually do.
Yeah, the merits of the case aside, when you have Representatives flying to the city to speak about the case, the President giving his view this morning the probability that billions of dollars worth of damage to cities will occur (and probably some deaths) and the jurors own personal safety at risk if you acquit, there really is only one way this was ever going to go. The appeal process will probably be quieter and less dramatic when it happens.
This means that Chauvin was a bad cop. Essentially a murderer. No more and no less. There are crap cops and good cops. It still doesn’t mean that Floyd wasn’t a criminal and that cops are targeting unarmed black men. I can already see the Lebron, etc., crowd tweeting just that.
“I told you so!”
The most important thing is my Knicks will still be playing tonight. They are rolling!
“I told you so!”
The most important thing is my Knicks will still be playing tonight. They are rolling!
Merits of the case aside??? You mean like a nine-minute video showing Chauvin callously choking Floyd to death? Those merits? Christ, the whole country saw it -- why do you think you had politicians talking about it?
Given "the merits of the case," I scratch my head and wonder why we have to hear crap like the jury 'feared for their lives' and, thus, 'had no choice' instead of saying justice was served?
Well, I get that you never question media. You see it on TV and it’s true. That’s fine. I’m not going to spend time with that’s. However, my point was that the jurors were in a horrible position from the start. There was being a media hero and one person goes to jail on one end and your life being at risk and millions suffer at the other end. There was no real choice. Also, justice doesn’t really exist, so you will never hear me say that apart from irony.
But this is our Country now days, either you are on one side of the political spectrum or the other. Simplified to “the thin blue line” vs BLM. But neither side can always be right. There are good cops and their are bad cops. There are peaceful protests and there are riots. It’s easy (and lazy) to see things as black and white, but in situations like this it’s just shades of gray.
this was before they re-added third, then the President and Congresswoman intimidated the jury into choosing guilty
What are you outraged here about? Was that not Chauvin who kept kneeling on Floyd’s neck for several minutes after being told he had no pulse? Was it somebody else that made damn sure that Floyd was going die during that encounter? Did the jury watch the wrong video?
I dont get it either. I do agree with him that Waters should have stayed out of it, and I am sure that will be used in an appeal. I also have a feeling, though no way to know for certain, that her words had no outcome on the verdict.
The outcome of this trial always felt like it was a foregone conclusion given what we all witnessed from the video.
But given the divisiveness of our politics and the number of "inevitably Chauvin will walk" takes of some of the posters here in this thread, I had prepared myself for a manslaughter charge as a compromise that would allow 12 jurors to come together for a verdict.
But the guilty on all three charges verdict has helped renew my faith in the American people. 12 diverse Americans from all walks of like came together and arrived at a unanimous verdict in 11 hours. No agendas, no BS, just a quest for justice. It felt special but they'd probably respond by saying they were just 'average Americans doing their job.'
Whether special or not, their verdict made me proud to be an American tonight.
Lol. He was convicted of both intentional and unintentional murder at the same time, and that gives you faith in the justice system.
Can't even make this crap up.
Which charge was intentional murder? Anyhow maybe the jury was convinced that it was Chauvin’s actions that killed Floyd and each of the statutes sounded reasonable. I personally thought 3rd degree and manslaughter were the two most appropriate but not gonna whine about the 2nd degree conviction. I think it can be argued Chauvin acted both recklessly and maliciously after the the pulse was taken.
Chauvin was charged with three different degrees of responsibility for murder/manslaughter. This gave the jury the opportunity to find him guilty of a lesser-charge of manslaughter but innocent of the murder charges. Instead, the jury made it clear that, after reviewing all the evidence, they believed Chauvin played a central role in Floyd's death and found him guilty on all three charges.
Guilty on all charges is not that unusual in and of itself, just unusual for a police officer.
"We the jury have found him guilty of intending to kill the victim"
Also:
"We the jury have found him guilty of not intending to kill the victim, but his actions killed him"
Justice is served.
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